Author Topic: CTL-SYS (Read 51555 times)

DB10 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:16 AM »

Quote from: Kev on May 12, 2016, 07:07 AM

Quote from: doctr-dan on May 12, 2016, 06:58 AM
The ct sys has problem in that fine dust gets sucked up against the filter and then reduces the suction and puts strain on the motor (that's what it sounds like) to the point where I could only fill the replaceable bag to 1.5kg and the long life was next to useless with anything fine.
What I have used it for,
Sanding plywood
Cleaning up plasterboard dust
Cutting plywood
Cutting fibre cement
Don't get me wrong I really really want this machine to not have issues but so far I'm a little worried

I'm kinda glad the CTL-SYS isn't something of value to me. I think it's a great opportunity Festool got more than a little wrong!

Gotta agree, for what Festool Aus are asking for it down here $600, It would need to be cordless and have variable suction for me to be interested in purchasing one, as it stands at the moment IMO it's just a very small vac with a very large price tag.

L.J · « **Reply #31 on:** May 14, 2016, 09:03 AM »

The CTL is just a supplement to the larger vacs and probably won't suit everyone's needs nor was it intended too.

Woodhack · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2017, 04:35 PM »

I was about to buy this unit for sanding spackle spots in finished units for punch out work where steps are involved.

The fact that there is no suction control in unacceptable.

Cant buy it. Looks like I still have to lug one of my ct 26s around. What a drag.

grobkuschelig · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2017, 04:52 PM »

Anyone complaining about suction control could just add an adjustable muffle/sleeve to their connection and "Ta-Da"! -> Adjustable suction.

I really like my CTL SYS it's the perfect unit for small things and can really nicely perform on everything you need it to. I never missed any adjustment on it.
Obviously, your mileage may vary. But maybe, you just think you are not able to use something without buzzword & buzzword which you do not actually need...

...basically I just want to sell you on the CTL SYS, because I love mine.

But on the other hand, I also love my CTM...

Vondawg · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2017, 06:01 PM »

"Obviously your mileage may vary"
Hey that's DrD's line haha
I agree ....an adjustable suction fitting works with any vac without the control feature and who can beat the size if needed, plus the systainer fit for travel...

magellan · « **Reply #35 on:** April 27, 2017, 05:33 AM »

I also recently purchased a SYS VAV I find it performs as good as any FESTOOL vac. Impressive actually. I would like to find a way to moderate the air flow if needed. An adjustable muffle/sleeve was mentioned. Where does one acquire something like this to adjust the suction?

Thank you

grobkuschelig · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2017, 03:13 PM »

If you look at the festool range of dust-extraction hand sanding blocks like the 496962, you will see that those have such a muffler built into the dust connector part.
You might be able to find it as a part in EKAT, then it might even be "original". But I think you should be able to find similar parts from anyone doing dust stuff like mirka, etc. etc. as well...

leakyroof · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2017, 10:43 PM »

You could try a different hose. One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end

live4ever · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2017, 02:03 AM »

Quote from: leakyroof on April 27, 2017, 10:43 PM

You could try a different hose. One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end

Yeah, the unfortunate problem with that solution is no 90 degree elbow for the non-Festool hose, so you aren't able to keep the CT-SYS in the middle of a systainer stack - one of its nifty features.

It'd be ideal if there was something that could just be used at the end of the OEM 27mm hose. Still looking for an elegant way to make holes and add a collar of some sort...

On another note, I wonder how difficult it would be to add some kind of small cord reel to the hose garage.

leakyroof · « **Reply #39 on:** April 28, 2017, 09:37 AM »

Quote from: live4ever on April 28, 2017, 02:03 AM

Quote from: leakyroof on April 27, 2017, 10:43 PM
You could try a different hose. One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end

Yeah, the unfortunate problem with that solution is no 90 degree elbow for the non-Festool hose, so you aren't able to keep the CT-SYS in the middle of a systainer stack - one of its nifty features.

It'd be ideal if there was something that could just be used at the end of the OEM 27mm hose. Still looking for an elegant way to make holes and add a collar of some sort...

On another note, I wonder how difficult it would be to add some kind of small cord reel to the hose garage.

I leave the CT-SYS on the top of a stack , and can live with the lack of the 90 degree elbow from the Bosch hose. I've never been happy cramming my hoses into the hose garages for the most part on my larger Festool Vacs, so having a loose, longer than stock hose with the CT doesn't bother me at all. You do have to remove the plastic 'key' on the outside of the Vac end of the Bosch hose,[or a Fein hose since they both use the same hose aligning and retaining method inside their newer vacs], but a quick kiss with a bench grinder and the plastic key is gone, and your hose fits pretty well into the CT-Sys vac inlet hole.
Having that adjustable blast gate to reduce suction as I need it really completes my CT-SYS vac for my needs. The Blue hose from Bosch is Anti-Static as well.

antss · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2017, 11:28 AM »

I think this will fit the end of Festool hoses :

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/tool-coupling-with-suction-control-order-no-3-13-45-078-01-0/

NVA_WW · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2017, 12:29 PM »

Quote from: antss on April 28, 2017, 11:28 AM

I think this will fit the end of Festool hoses :

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/tool-coupling-with-suction-control-order-no-3-13-45-078-01-0/

I tried connecting it straight to the 27mm anti-static Festool hose and it didn't fit. I did not try taking off the Festool end and putting the Fein on. I was at the woodworking show and asked the Fein guys if I could borrow it and take it to the Festool booth to try. They let me, but I wasn't planning on taking things apart.

leakyroof · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:03 PM »

Quote from: NVA_WW on April 28, 2017, 12:29 PM

Quote from: antss on April 28, 2017, 11:28 AM
I think this will fit the end of Festool hoses :

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/tool-coupling-with-suction-control-order-no-3-13-45-078-01-0/

I tried connecting it straight to the 27mm anti-static Festool hose and it didn't fit. I did not try taking off the Festool end and putting the Fein on. I was at the woodworking show and asked the Fein guys if I could borrow it and take it to the Festool booth to try. They let me, but I wasn't planning on taking things apart.

. Right, already been down this path. The hose ferrule system between Festool and Bosch/Fein is currently different . If the inner sleeves and ring system from Fein will fit the inner and outer diameter of the 27mm or stock CT-SYS hose, we will have a winner....
I decided I liked the smaller 22mm Bosch hose so much for my purposes that I left modifying a Festool hose alone for now.
Having taken a Bosch 35mm hose connector apart that is a very similar version of that 27mm FEIN connector, their plastic ring with the 2 spring locking tabs which engage those holes in the end of the fitting seem weaker than what Festool is currently doing.

live4ever · « **Reply #43 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:13 PM »

I ordered the Fein to see if it will work. If not, simple return.

I have a number of Bosch/Fein 35mm hoses (my other extractors are Feins), so I could always use those with the Bosch suction adjuster, but first want to see definitively if I can use the Festool hose. Part of the reason for getting the CT-SYS was to keep things as tidy and portable as possible so using the larger Bosch hoses doesn't satisfy the OCD driving the purchase.

leakyroof · « **Reply #44 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:19 PM »

Quote from: live4ever on April 28, 2017, 01:13 PM

I ordered the Fein to see if it will work. If not, simple return.

I have a number of Bosch/Fein 35mm hoses (my other extractors are Feins), so I could always use those with the Bosch suction adjuster, but first want to see definitively if I can use the Festool hose. Part of the reason for getting the CT-SYS was to keep things as tidy and portable as possible so using the larger Bosch hoses doesn't satisfy the OCD driving the purchase.

. If you're getting the adjustable nozzle by itself, you'll need the guts of the mounting system with those sleeves and the plastic retaining ring that fits the Fein or Bosch nozzles.
I'll see if I still have pictures of the one I took apart to show some friends the differences between Festool and Fein/Bosch hose systems.

leakyroof · « **Reply #45 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:38 PM »

Here is the inner retaining system with the nozzle removed off of it.

leakyroof · « **Reply #46 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:41 PM »

Another view....

live4ever · « **Reply #47 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:46 PM »

I see I see. Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $. Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?

leakyroof · « **Reply #48 on:** April 28, 2017, 04:22 PM »

Quote from: live4ever on April 28, 2017, 01:46 PM

I see I see. Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $. Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?

I haven't run any other hose in the CT- Sys besides the stock one and my smaller 22mm AS Bosch hose. I think a much larger 35mm hose won't change certain sanding situations with high grit paper and smooth surface, where your sander is fighting moving around on the surface due to too high of a vacuum level AND very smooth surface, even at the lower CFM output of the CT-Sys.
BUT, I think the ferrule/sleeve kits from Fein aren't that expensive, I just haven't found one in a 27mm size, only 35mm and 22mm. Since you actually found their 27mm nozzle, you KNOW they make that sleeve kit for 27mm hose. What web-site did you find that, Fein USA or Fein International? So, dig a bit deeper and FIND THAT sleeve kit for you.....and for us.....

I'll post what the 35mm 'repair' kit costs as they're calling it to fix a hose end or nozzle retaining section once I look it up again.
Okay- no luck with a 27mm kit, but here is the 35mm kit--- 31345069010.
You can easily see it in the link that antss provided once you back into the accessories portion of the Catalog for Dust Extractors. Fein show both 27mm and 35mm dust nozzles with the valves, but only a hose repair kit for the 35mm hose.

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/repair-kit-order-no-3-13-45-069-01-0/?back=1&start=app&productId=316208

Scott Burt · « **Reply #49 on:** April 28, 2017, 06:47 PM »

This isn't a review but it is a good demo from a good friend of mine that many of you may recognize:

live4ever · « **Reply #50 on:** April 28, 2017, 07:04 PM »

Quote from: leakyroof on April 28, 2017, 04:22 PM

Quote from: live4ever on April 28, 2017, 01:46 PM
I see I see. Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $. Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?
I haven't run any other hose in the CT- Sys besides the stock one and my smaller 22mm AS Bosch hose. I think a much larger 35mm hose won't change certain sanding situations with high grit paper and smooth surface, where your sander is fighting moving around on the surface due to too high of a vacuum level AND very smooth surface, even at the lower CFM output of the CT-Sys.
BUT, I think the ferrule/sleeve kits from Fein aren't that expensive, I just haven't found one in a 27mm size, only 35mm and 22mm. Since you actually found their 27mm nozzle, you KNOW they make that sleeve kit for 27mm hose. What web-site did you find that, Fein USA or Fein International? So, dig a bit deeper and FIND THAT sleeve kit for you.....and for us.....
I'll post what the 35mm 'repair' kit costs as they're calling it to fix a hose end or nozzle retaining section once I look it up again.
Okay- no luck with a 27mm kit, but here is the 35mm kit--- 31345069010.
You can easily see it in the link that antss provided once you back into the accessories portion of the Catalog for Dust Extractors. Fein show both 27mm and 35mm dust nozzles with the valves, but only a hose repair kit for the 35mm hose.

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/repair-kit-order-no-3-13-45-069-01-0/?back=1&start=app&productId=316208

Here's what I ordered - pricey little bugger. Will take a week or so to get here so until then we'll see what I can dig up regarding the hose side of things.
http://www.rockler.com/fein-tool-coupler-with-suction-control-for-turbo-i-and-turbo-ii

EDIT:
The part number you posted does appear to be the 27mm hose repair kit according to this site as well as ToolNut and some other retailers:
http://www.toolfetch.com/fein-31345069010-repl-hose-end-tool-1-1-16-in.html

Another $35 though. I'm not loving that price tag for the whole solution. Bah.

leakyroof · « **Reply #51 on:** April 28, 2017, 11:41 PM »

Well that's weird since the description on Fein's web site only mentions the 35mm application and not the smaller 27mm hose fitting it as well.....

. Almost comical at this point. Guess we'll wait for your report on that ordered hose nozzle.
OKAY, I looked into this some more and here's what I found.
I studied that Hose Repair kit , doesn't look like it would fit different diameter hoses, just a 35mm like as listed by FEIN on their web site. Not sure why other web sites are contradicting Fein's own info from their web site.
Since I DO own a new Turbo 1 Fein vac, I checked mine, and it came with the 27mm flexible rubber nozzle which fits your Festool and other tool dust ports. But the hose end of it is still only for the stock Fein 35mm hose. SO, since I could use the repair kit anyway, I'm ordering the repair kit, and we'll find out what it fits, or doesn't fit....

live4ever · « **Reply #52 on:** May 06, 2017, 05:39 PM »

Just to update the previous posts regarding adding suction control to end of the 27mm Festool hose...it works with a Fein adjustable suction tool coupler (31345078010, approx $35) and a Fein 1-1/16" hose repair kit (31345069010, also approx $35). The total cost of this solution is a ludicrous $70 and 2 minutes, but it does allow the addition of suction control to the OEM 27mm hose, so this all can still fit (barely) in the CT-SYS hose garage. The Fein coupler is a bit bigger than the Festool, so it makes squeezing into the hose garage a little tighter, but still doable. Fits all the tools just fein (haha hoho hehe).

First pic is of the pertinent two pieces of the hose repair kit threaded onto the Festool hose (after removal of the Festool end).
Second pic size comparison.

EDIT update: So as I was putting strain on the new hose end trying to jam it into the hose garage, I was able to pop off the repair kit part from the hose. It seems to thread fine onto the hose, but if you bend and tug at it it can come off. Doesn't seem like a huge problem with normal use but trying to shove it into the hose garage did loosen it, especially bending it at the end. I will experiment with the kit further to see if there's something I'm missing. Alternatively, some epoxy would make it more permanent.

leakyroof · « **Reply #53 on:** May 06, 2017, 08:43 PM »

Quote from: live4ever on May 06, 2017, 05:39 PM

Just to update the previous posts regarding adding suction control to end of the 27mm Festool hose...it works with a Fein adjustable suction tool coupler (31345078010, approx $35) and a Fein 1-1/16" hose repair kit (31345069010, also approx $35). The total cost of this solution is a ludicrous $70 and 2 minutes, but it does allow the addition of suction control to the OEM 27mm hose, so this all can still fit (barely) in the CT-SYS hose garage. The Fein coupler is a bit bigger than the Festool, so it makes squeezing into the hose garage a little tighter, but still doable. Fits all the tools just fein (haha hoho hehe).

First pic is of the pertinent two pieces of the hose repair kit threaded onto the Festool hose (after removal of the Festool end).
Second pic size comparison.

EDIT update: So as I was putting strain on the new hose end trying to jam it into the hose garage, I was able to pop off the repair kit part from the hose. It seems to thread fine onto the hose, but if you bend and tug at it it can come off. Doesn't seem like a huge problem with normal use but trying to shove it into the hose garage did loosen it, especially bending it at the end. I will experiment with the kit further to see if there's something I'm missing. Alternatively, some epoxy would make it more permanent.

. Thanks for the pictures. My parts are on their way. Nice to know the repair kit fits the 27mm hose....

Mr Smith · « **Reply #54 on:** April 28, 2019, 01:59 AM »

Quote from: redbirdone on May 11, 2016, 08:31 PM

Picked one up yesterday. Can't wait to put it through the gauntlet this weekend. Have to admit that first impression is what a phenomenal design and idea. Second impression was after pulling everything out and doing a quick 30 second test...how the heck do I get everything back in?

Also, it would be a grand slam, out of the park, home run if Festool could make this as an 18v powered vac. Even if run time was 10 minutes, that's fine by me. Or have it run off dual 18v packs. Still a home run.

Indeed, that would be perfect.I’m a boatbuilder/shipwright and the majority of my mobile/onsite tools are cordless ,(Festool and Makita). Metabo make an 18v vacuum in a Systainer size box but it is difficult to get in NZ. As you said, it would be great if Festool made a 18/36v version.
(I realise this discussion is fairly old but I only just read it and thought the Metabo vacuum was worth mentioning)

https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools/cordless-tools/cordless-vacuum-cleaner/as-18-l-pc-602021000-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html
https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools/cordless-tools/cordless-vacuum-cleaner/as-18-l-pc-602021000-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html

Alanbach · « **Reply #55 on:** April 28, 2019, 12:01 PM »

Does the cT SYS have a variable suction control like its big sisters?

Dick Mahany · « **Reply #56 on:** April 28, 2019, 12:08 PM »

Quote from: Alanbach on April 28, 2019, 12:01 PM

Does the cT SYS have a variable suction control like its big sisters?

Mine does not.

Alanbach · « **Reply #57 on:** April 28, 2019, 12:44 PM »

So if the CT SYS does not have variable suction control how does it do with Festool sanders? I know in my shop, with my CT 36, I have to turn the suction way down or sanding with my FT sanders is a miserable fight. Has anyone experienced difficulty from too much suction while sanding and using the CT SYS? Does Festool make a damper of sorts that you can put inline on the hose to reduce suction if needed?

ColossusX · « **Reply #58 on:** April 28, 2019, 01:10 PM »

Dont have much of a problem with mine. The unit has less CFM and static lift and that seems to make a difference. Its not as good as a unit with variable power, but it works pretty good.

mackenzie · « **Reply #59 on:** December 06, 2021, 07:01 AM »

With the passing of time, does anybody have a new or improved way of limiting the suction with the CTL-Sys? I wonder if Festool have released an adjustable hose end in recent years? It looks like the new cordless version of the CTL-Sys has a new hose end to limit the suction.

I prefer the form factor more than the convenience of going cordless, the cordless run time isn't long enough for me so I'm leaning towards the CTL-Sys.

Thank you