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Offline FergieBergie

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VAC SYS TUBING
« on: November 15, 2022, 04:37 PM »
Hi,

Today I recieved a brand new VAC SYS SE 1 SET. Found a reseller with one in stock!

One thing that bothers me is the tubing running from the pump to the unit and pedal. The tubing is all greasy and sticky. The substance is transparent and seams to some sort of oil.

Is this normal or has the tubing been treated by the reseller before shipping.

There is no substance anywhere else other than on the tubing itself. It is not dripping but seams to be applied thin.

Thanks in advance!

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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2022, 05:15 PM »
It’s something that was applied after the original sale. The tubing should be dry, especially on the inside. Anything on the inside of the tubing will be drawn into the pump.

I’d wipe everything down with rubbing alcohol and let it dry.

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2022, 05:28 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply! I believe the oil is lucklily only present on the outside of the tubing. I did read an other post on the forum that there is a new and an older hose which is distinguished by the lack of flexibility. My hose is definitely stiff and unflexible.

I have seen that they differ by color aswell. Mine has a tone of yellow and the new on is transparent.

Perhaps someone with the first generation can shed som light on this.

I have also sent the question directly to Festool.

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2022, 05:47 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply! I believe the oil is lucklily only present on the outside of the tubing. I did read an other post on the forum that there is a new and an older hose which is distinguished by the lack of flexibility. My hose is definitely stiff and unflexible.

I have seen that they differ by color aswell. Mine has a tone of yellow and the new on is transparent.

Perhaps someone with the first generation can shed som light on this.

I have also sent the question directly to Festool.

There is no "first generation" or "second generation" to my knowledge.  There may be really old stock out on shelves somewhere, however, which would also include hoses that may have yellowed and/or accumulated grease from the shop air over time.

What is the manufacture date of the pump?

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2022, 06:23 PM »
The product has been sittning in a box since it is brand new. Just registered it with 3 years of all inclusive warranty.

It might have yellowed over time but the the tubing is extremeley stiff. Like if i twist it or bend it it will snap.

I will get back tomorrow with the manufacturing date and the official response from Festool. 

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0e1cK60qTyjr9zK_SAQwCnf7Q. Here you can see the coloring.

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2022, 06:26 PM »
That's the European model, all self-contained in the Systainer and such.

I'd definitely be interested in the manufacture date on the clamp and pump.

Where are you located?

Offline Chainring

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2022, 08:57 PM »
There was at least one, possibly more, of the Systainer mounted pumps that made it here to the US. Paul Marcel has one and I could swear someone else on here has one. Other than that, yeah, the caged beast is all we got.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2022, 09:06 PM »
It may be old enough that the tubing is breaking down. Depending on how it was stored could also accelerate this breakdown.

I don't know what the VAC SYS tubing is made of but I have seen this happen to clear, soft, PVC tubing after 8 or more years and that tubing was always indoors and never exposed to harsh temperatures, UV, or chemicals. I would suspect the VAC SYS tubing is of better quality than the tubing I am referring to but it may still be vulnerable.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2022, 11:46 PM »
FWIW...here are a couple of photos of Festool vacuum hose.

LH hose is circa 2015...RH hose is circa 2021








Both are still functional and look exactly in person today, as they do in these photos. Your vacuum hose looks bad, real bad. I'd start by replacing all of those hose runs.

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2022, 04:15 AM »
That's the European model, all self-contained in the Systainer and such.

I'd definitely be interested in the manufacture date on the clamp and pump.

Where are you located?

Correct! I am located in Sweden and managed to import it from Italy since it is basically impossible to find the tool locally.

Both the pump and vac unit is manufactured in 2014!


Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2022, 04:35 AM »
FWIW...here are a couple of photos of Festool vacuum hose.

LH hose is circa 2015...RH hose is circa 2021

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Both are still functional and look exactly in person today, as they do in these photos. Your vacuum hose looks bad, real bad. I'd start by replacing all of those hose runs.

Great information Cheese! Thanks for clarifying and providing the inner and outer diameter.

Another thing I noticed is that the hose I have has the Festoool article number 469694 matches the "LH". When Searching online I found the Festool 495293 VAC-SYS Vacuum Hose D16 x 5M which matches the "RH" and of course the item is discontintued but seams to obtainable localy which is prefered.

I do hope the official Festool response will be satisfying and with som luck they might even provide me with replacement tubing since the product is newly required.

I did try to find a replacement hose online but I am unsure of what rating the hose needs to fulfill. I only found one rating within the manual that said 150 mba. This was not specfically related to the tubing so it might not be worth taking into consideration?!.

By judging from your pictures the tubing is definiteley reinforced. I have not found anything similar online when specifically searching for "reinforced vacuum hose 9 mm". There are hoses for air compressors but I think process is reveresed. Air compressors pushes air through while the vacuum system pulls air. I might be wrong but I feels logical.
Purchasing two 5m original Festool vaccum hose seams unnecessarily expensive. But what do I know, I am no expert on the subject and this might be wiser than having a lesser quality hose that might damage the equipment or worse, hurt the user.

I am rambling at this point but seizing the moment and changing to quick release fittings would be smart aswell.

Thanks to everyone providing thoughts this far :)
« Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 04:45 AM by FergieBergie »

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2022, 07:02 AM »
So the official response from Festool reads as follows: ”The substance is applied to prevent the tubing from drying out whilst storing”.

So,
Any thoughts or recommendations on hose replacement?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2022, 07:51 AM »
Veneer Supplies has a good quality hose, 3/8" ID. I've used this with aftermarket Euro fittings with my VacSys, but I put quick connects on all hoses.

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Vacuum-Tube---Heavy-Duty-Braided-38-ID.html

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2022, 08:01 AM »
"I did try to find a replacement hose online but I am unsure of what rating the hose needs to fulfill."

Vacuum hose rated for 28" Hg is about as good as it gets. Here are some possibilities.

https://www.mcmaster.com/vacuum-hose/internal-reinforcement~polyester-braid/id~3-8/
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2022, 09:33 AM »
Here's a photo of the earlier hose.



If you do purchase and install the Festool 495293 hose, if you're swapping out any hose connections make sure the connections are correct before you install them in the hose. Once installed in the hose, they cannot be pulled back out but will need to have the hose sliced to remove the fittings. The larger sized internal hose reinforcement allows fittings to be pushed in but not pulled out.



Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2022, 09:53 AM »
The oily finish is on the surface, not the inside of the tube, correct?

If so, then if the only issues are that the hose is yellow and greasy, why not use it until it cracks or leaks?

It's already over 7 years old, based on the manufacture date of the pump, but since it's a vacuum line instead of a compressor line it's much less likely to fail in a manner that causes personal injury.

Just my  [2cents] from across the pond.

If this were an LS130, a 2014 NOS tool would probably have a completely unusable sanding pad.

Is the rubber on the suction pads/cups still in serviceable condition?

Offline MikeGE

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2022, 03:51 PM »
"I did try to find a replacement hose online but I am unsure of what rating the hose needs to fulfill."

Vacuum hose rated for 28" Hg is about as good as it gets. Here are some possibilities.

https://www.mcmaster.com/vacuum-hose/internal-reinforcement~polyester-braid/id~3-8/
 

He lives in Sweden and McMaster-Carr does not ship to international customers.   [sad]   

I've been using locally available compressor hose for vacuum lines without any problems.

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2022, 04:57 PM »
Here's a photo of the earlier hose.

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If you do purchase and install the Festool 495293 hose, if you're swapping out any hose connections make sure the connections are correct before you install them in the hose. Once installed in the hose, they cannot be pulled back out but will need to have the hose sliced to remove the fittings. The larger sized internal hose reinforcement allows fittings to be pushed in but not pulled out.

The color difference is quite remarkable. I took your picture as reference and compared it to mine in a response to Festool. Wonder what the answear will be this time. I took for granted that the picture you provided is from today?

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2022, 04:59 PM »
Veneer Supplies has a good quality hose, 3/8" ID. I've used this with aftermarket Euro fittings with my VacSys, but I put quick connects on all hoses.

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Vacuum-Tube---Heavy-Duty-Braided-38-ID.html

RMW

Great information. I will try to use it towards finding one in Sweden/Europe.

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2022, 05:00 PM »
"I did try to find a replacement hose online but I am unsure of what rating the hose needs to fulfill."

Vacuum hose rated for 28" Hg is about as good as it gets. Here are some possibilities.

https://www.mcmaster.com/vacuum-hose/internal-reinforcement~polyester-braid/id~3-8/

Thanks for the rating. I will try to use it as reference when trying to find one closer to base!

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2022, 05:08 PM »
The oily finish is on the surface, not the inside of the tube, correct?

If so, then if the only issues are that the hose is yellow and greasy, why not use it until it cracks or leaks?

It's already over 7 years old, based on the manufacture date of the pump, but since it's a vacuum line instead of a compressor line it's much less likely to fail in a manner that causes personal injury.

Just my  [2cents] from across the pond.

If this were an LS130, a 2014 NOS tool would probably have a completely unusable sanding pad.

Is the rubber on the suction pads/cups still in serviceable condition?

Yeah there is probably no rush in getting a replacement hose but when the first impression when purchasing a 1400 euro tool from Festool isn´t feeling 100%... That gut feeling tellling you something isn't alright atleast gives me the urge to seek enlightenment ;)

What do you mean exactly when saying that the pads/cups still is in serviceable condition. Sorry for my Swedish here. If you mean if they work as intended then yes. Should I service or lubricate any of the parts myself?



Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2022, 05:38 PM »
I took for granted that the picture you provided is from today?

All those photos were taken in Jan 2022.

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2022, 10:39 PM »
What do you mean exactly when saying that the pads/cups still is in serviceable condition. Sorry for my Swedish here. If you mean if they work as intended then yes.

Yes, that is what I meant.  It's a colloquialism that doesn't translate or transfer very well, unfortunately.  I was just concerned about the condition of the rubber cups if they are already 8 years old, but I'm guessing they're still supple and likely only had a bit of white caking on them.

Offline FergieBergie

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2022, 04:37 AM »
What do you mean exactly when saying that the pads/cups still is in serviceable condition. Sorry for my Swedish here. If you mean if they work as intended then yes.

Yes, that is what I meant.  It's a colloquialism that doesn't translate or transfer very well, unfortunately.  I was just concerned about the condition of the rubber cups if they are already 8 years old, but I'm guessing they're still supple and likely only had a bit of white caking on them.

Sometimes you need the aid of facialexpressions to deliver the message :)

Perhaps I could give them some treatment to make sure they last 8 more years!

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: VAC SYS TUBING
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2022, 05:43 PM »
Nothing wrong with that hose at all.  It's just a different type to what's been fitted since 2015.


You can just replace it in years ahead if you have any problems with it then. 


But I'd imagine the hose that came with the kit will last a decade or more anyway.
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