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Offline 808

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Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« on: January 09, 2015, 05:42 AM »
Hey guys, recently got my first festool, a ts55REQ. I was disappointed it didn't cut at 90 degrees out of the box. Did a lot of searching and finally found some info to adjust using the two screws at the back of the saw. Now I get 90 degree cuts but the angle gauge at 90 degrees cut does not point to zero (maybe points to 0.5 degrees). Emailed festool and they said the gauge is not adjustable. When cutting other than 90 or 45, will have to remember to fudge for the misalignment. Is this common and what you al have experienced? Seems odd a $600 saw would not be able to have the gauge match the angle.

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Offline Tinker

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 06:36 AM »
Others will probably chime in here. I had problems with setting my TS 55 REQ to 90º until I discovered thru another FOG thread that i had been adjusting wrong, as you had discovered.  With proper adjustment, I am now dead on with the 90º adjustment.  I have not had occasion to try cutting at 45º yet, but I have a dim memory from way back when the saw first appeared that you should not look straight down at the gauge when adjusting.  You have to look at it from an angle. 

Of course that does not seem very logical to me.  There is really no precision to how one looks at the dial from an angle.  You might be seven feet tall.  I am only 3 feet tall.(Actually, i was seven feet tall until I became a mason contractor.  when my chin started bumping my knees, i had to retire from that trade)  You may have great eyesight and wear no glasses. Me, I have double vision.  I'm left handed but right eye dominant.  OOH! that can be all sorts of problem. What is your unreliable angle for looking at the dial.  I am pretty sure it is far different from mine.  Niether one of us uses the same angle as the guy who did the original design, and certainly not the same as the guy you talked to at Festool, who certainly had nothing to do with the original design. 

When i used to hunt, all of my shots were set up using what we called "Kentucky Windage."  especially with a moving target.  Me, I just used a shotgun.  that covered a whole lot more situations that a direct aim with a rifle.  I think that is what Festoy expects for bevel cutting. ::)
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 07:01 AM »
Tinker:

808: Yes, I found that I could set the saw to 90° but not adjust the gauge.

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 07:37 AM »
It's probably noted in the other forum threads you've read, but just a reminder to make sure to lock the back knob first then the front.  You've also experienced what I find to be a bit incongruous given Festool's otherwise precision engineering and stellar customer service, which is that they don't appear to acknowledge that the adjustment problems on the 55 are even an issue.  Given the number of posts on the FOG about the problem, I'm hoping they will come up with some sort of fix in the future.

Hey guys, recently got my first festool, a ts55REQ. I was disappointed it didn't cut at 90 degrees out of the box. Did a lot of searching and finally found some info to adjust using the two screws at the back of the saw. Now I get 90 degree cuts but the angle gauge at 90 degrees cut does not point to zero (maybe points to 0.5 degrees). Emailed festool and they said the gauge is not adjustable. When cutting other than 90 or 45, will have to remember to fudge for the misalignment. Is this common and what you al have experienced? Seems odd a $600 saw would not be able to have the gauge match the angle.
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Offline Tinker

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 07:51 AM »
It looks as if i am stuck here in the house until i have to go out plowing snow later in the day.  (plowing snow = pushing gold dust).  I have not checked to see if i can set my TS 55R to cut accurate bevels yet.  It was a PITA to hold the saw to the guide rail with my ATF 55.  I just figured to have the same problem with the TS55R.  I had no problems the few times I cut a bevel with the ATF, but decided, after learning of the problem described in this discussion, to keep the old saw.  I think I will try, while waiting for the gold dust to pile up, to make a couple of cuts at 45º bevel.

So far, i have been going by what others have been reporting.  I remember some, in the past have related that they finally could get the saw to cut at 45º but then could not get any other bevel setting to work.  Really not the type of reports we usually get about other Festoys.  I have several (???  :o)scraps in the shop and I need to get rid of so I can move around [eek].I will report back when i have tried.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 03:59 PM »
It's probably noted in the other forum threads you've read, but just a reminder to make sure to lock the back knob first then the front.  You've also experienced what I find to be a bit incongruous given Festool's otherwise precision engineering and stellar customer service, which is that they don't appear to acknowledge that the adjustment problems on the 55 are even an issue.  Given the number of posts on the FOG about the problem, I'm hoping they will come up with some sort of fix in the future.

Hey guys, recently got my first festool, a ts55REQ. I was disappointed it didn't cut at 90 degrees out of the box. Did a lot of searching and finally found some info to adjust using the two screws at the back of the saw. Now I get 90 degree cuts but the angle gauge at 90 degrees cut does not point to zero (maybe points to 0.5 degrees). Emailed festool and they said the gauge is not adjustable. When cutting other than 90 or 45, will have to remember to fudge for the misalignment. Is this common and what you al have experienced? Seems odd a $600 saw would not be able to have the gauge match the angle.

I too follow the back to front method, but also support the motor housing with a hand underneath between it and the base plate before I tighten the front. Otherwise the gauge pointer can still dip before front is tightened. Also if the work is supper critical, cross check with small square after disconnecting power and lowering the blade.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 04:55 PM »
I cured all the fussness factor by gluing shim stock in the base cavities.  When I bring my 55 up to square there is NO ambiguity.

Offline FinishingCanuck

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 05:44 PM »
I cured all the fussness factor by gluing shim stock in the base cavities.  When I bring my 55 up to square there is NO ambiguity.

You had to glue a shim to a $750Cad saw to make it work right?

Offline rst

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 05:52 PM »
I was the quickest, easiest, and permanent way to solve the problem.  I own most of the tools known to modern man and quite a few most modern men do not know of and I have modified almost all of them to work to my specs.  I'm comfortable with electronics, wood, plastic and metalworking, so modifying the saw was no big deal.  I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

Offline Johnny5

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 06:13 PM »
I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

I've read on here that the blade isn't supposed to be parallel to the base.  The factory sets a slight toe in on the leading edge, can't remember the exact reasoning, but it is supposed to be slightly askew from the edge of the saw.

As for the OP's issue, can't help much.  I'm busy trying to figure out my Kapex issues.....lol

Offline FinishingCanuck

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 06:20 PM »
I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

I've read on here that the blade isn't supposed to be parallel to the base.  The factory sets a slight toe in on the leading edge, can't remember the exact reasoning, but it is supposed to be slightly askew from the edge of the saw.

As for the OP's issue, can't help much.  I'm busy trying to figure out my Kapex issues.....lol

That can't possibly be true. Most likely just another fanatic lying to you and themselves about a faulty saw

Offline Tinker

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2015, 07:42 AM »
I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

I've read on here that the blade isn't supposed to be parallel to the base.  The factory sets a slight toe in on the leading edge, can't remember the exact reasoning, but it is supposed to be slightly askew from the edge of the saw.

As for the OP's issue, can't help much.  I'm busy trying to figure out my Kapex issues.....lol

Isn't it the same with a table saw?
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2015, 09:39 AM »
That would regularly show up on the end of the cut if that were the case, provided you didn't push the saw all the way past the workpiece, which is often the case if you only have a few inches overhang of rail at the end of the cut).  This is exactly what happened to me the first few times I tried to cut with the 55, before I knew about the adjustment issues.  I set it to what I thought was 45, but when I looked at the cut, on the final 2 inches the wood jutted out slightly from under the splinterguard and was frayed -- it looked almost as if the saw had started veering to the right.  What was wrong of course was that the front of the saw -- without the benefit of a positive stop -- was at something like 45.5 or 46 degrees, while the back of the saw was at true 45, so it had been able to correct the excess angle for most of the cut, but not the last couple of inches.  I thought I was going crazy when it kept on happening, but then I checked into the FOG and realized what was up...

I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

I've read on here that the blade isn't supposed to be parallel to the base.  The factory sets a slight toe in on the leading edge, can't remember the exact reasoning, but it is supposed to be slightly askew from the edge of the saw.

As for the OP's issue, can't help much.  I'm busy trying to figure out my Kapex issues.....lol
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2015, 11:22 AM »
I also adjusted the blade so it was parallel to the base...this was a recon saw but looked brand new.

I've read on here that the blade isn't supposed to be parallel to the base.  The factory sets a slight toe in on the leading edge, can't remember the exact reasoning, but it is supposed to be slightly askew from the edge of the saw.

As for the OP's issue, can't help much.  I'm busy trying to figure out my Kapex issues.....lol

That can't possibly be true. Most likely just another fanatic lying to you and themselves about a faulty saw


Yes, that is the correct adjustment for the saw. It is well documented in the supplemental manual.

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Offline Tinker

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2015, 07:27 AM »
When I go to Rick's manuals, I can open his home site; but whenever I try to go to any of his manuals, the screen just goes black.  I can open a couple, but it seems the ones I need to look at all go blank.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2015, 07:54 AM »
Tinker,

Are you using a Mac by chance?  If so I think that the issue might be with the way that Safari is interacting with it.  Go to Rick's website and when you get to the manual right click on it (or two finger click) and download and save the file.  Then open that file on your computer.  I suspect you might have more luck.

Let me know if that helps.  I can also email you a copy of the one's that you need.

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2015, 08:17 AM »
I had a similar problem -- though I'm using Chrome.  The simple solution was just to download it and open it up through Acrobat/Adobe Reader, rather than try to view it through one of the browser windows.

When I go to Rick's manuals, I can open his home site; but whenever I try to go to any of his manuals, the screen just goes black.  I can open a couple, but it seems the ones I need to look at all go blank.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2015, 11:50 AM »
Tinker,

Are you using a Mac by chance?  If so I think that the issue might be with the way that Safari is interacting with it.  Go to Rick's website and when you get to the manual right click on it (or two finger click) and download and save the file.  Then open that file on your computer.  I suspect you might have more luck.

Let me know if that helps.  I can also email you a copy of the one's that you need.

Peter

Yes, i am using a mac.
So far, all of the manuals i have needed I haveha my daughter go to rick's site, she downloads and sends to me for me to print.

She has recently switched to mac for her personal computer, so I am not sure if she will be able to do that now.

Of course, both of our kids are older than I, so they are much smarter about these computer things.  If all else fails, we all go to our 16 yr old grandson.  He hasn't been around long enough to get his head all cluttered up with distractions.  ::)

Thanks for the offer Peter.  I will keep you in mind.  Once grandson gets his drivers license, he will become quite useless, i am sure. :o  that is when we will all need help.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2015, 09:58 PM »
If these are pdf files I had similar problems with a MacAir. When downloading pdf files, they cannot be saved via the File>Save As menu choice in Safari. If that is used, they will not open again. After downloading and opening a pdf from the Download folder (if that is where you download your files to), put the cursor toward the bottom of the screen and several buttons will appear. One is a Save button. Another is a Print button. Using these will permit you to reopen the file later with either Preview or Acrobat. I don't know why i works this way but it's just another instance of Apple and Acrobat(pdf) files not really working well together I guess.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2015, 04:32 AM »
If these are pdf files I had similar problems with a MacAir. When downloading pdf files, they cannot be saved via the File>Save As menu choice in Safari. If that is used, they will not open again. After downloading and opening a pdf from the Download folder (if that is where you download your files to), put the cursor toward the bottom of the screen and several buttons will appear. One is a Save button. Another is a Print button. Using these will permit you to reopen the file later with either Preview or Acrobat. I don't know why i works this way but it's just another instance of Apple and Acrobat(pdf) files not really working well together I guess.

After the exchange between Peter and myself, I went to Rick's site.  I have the site saved on my desktop as an alias so i can get to it any time.  Sorry, i don't think of the site name right away, but that can be quite common with me.  I tried to bring up the page for Domino which i have already printed out anyhow.  As stated above, I could get to the home page of the site, but the Domino page turned black. 

I then started going thru all sorts of maneuvers to bring up the page.  Finally, i switched over to Firefox and could not immediately open the page.  I went thru several contortions, all of which I don't really know, they just sort of evolved, and finally i was able to open the page.  I am not very good at reading and remembering specific directions, but do have fairly good abilities to follow instinct if logical.  to me, computer talk does not seem to follow logic.  I cannot fix it by batting away with a heavy hammer or a machine that has levers to run hydraulics.  I just keep pecking away at keys until something happens, sometimes something not so good.

I have run into several other sites where the same problem has happened.  I am not putting Rick, or any other sites down.  grbmds has come up with a direction i have not yet seen for his problem for which i will try.  He is correct about the apple & acrobat disfunction.  Early on, i had gotten a message telling me acrobat was not allowing me access but showed me some sort of list whereby i could make choices and hence, be allowed.  Once allowing, the entire site disappeared and the message has never come up on the screen again.  grbmds is correct in that once the action has occurred, the file cannot be opened again.  somehow, even when going to Firefox, it gets more difficult with each attempt.  I will try  grbmds' method later today.

For now, i am running late already as i have an early appointment with another that i can understand. i have to go to my dentist as her first appointment of the day.  She is easy to figure out.  She aims me at a chair.  i sit in the chair, lean back, close my eyes.  She asks me a question.  i open mouth to answer.  The answer never comes out as right away my mouth becomes full of unpleasant tools.  None of those tools are green and blue, but damned expensive.  Eventually, the tools are put away, I am given a paper cup and told to rinse.  I go to the desk where i am handed a bill and another piece of paper with a date to return to get another mouthful of tools. And the cycle is repeated.  That, I can figure out. Plus, the dentist is rather cute, so I don't complain  ;D
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2015, 07:50 AM »
Just went to the site (on my iMac) and selected the Domino 500 manual. I just got a blank gray screen with the buttons I described at the bottom when you bring the cursor down there. So, I closed that window and tried downloading the TS55 supplemental manual. Same thing, except after about a minute, I did get the manual on the screen with the buttons at the bottom of the page to save as a pdf. Then I tried the Domino manual again and it actually downloaded also, but it took about a minute also. I don't have a very good internet connection so, in my case, I think that it just took awhile because of the size of the pdf file. When your screen goes black, do you have those buttons at the bottom of the screen which appear when the cursor is down there. If so, I think it may be downloading in the background and just taking awhile. A lot depends on the internet connection your have and how fast it is. I find I have to be very patient as mine is very slow; inexpensive but slow.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2015, 06:44 AM »
I don't see the buttons.
I also tried a "print copy" from my desktop from which i had printed the entire DF 500 manual.  That comes up black as well. Luckily, i have the copy filed in a notebook, so don't have to worry about that one.  I have a lot of BK work to do today, so will be later before i try any more of Rick's site.  There are other sites that give me the same problem.  The last time i had my computer to my guru's office/shop, he tried with my computer and came up with the same problems.  He is the one who tried the Firefox method and told me of it. So far, even tho I have had the problem with other sites, Rick's is the only one that really concerned me enough to have someone else (my daughter) copy for me.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2015, 09:55 AM »
Do you have an Apple store nearby? (It is a Mac, right?) Make an appointment with their Genius Bar and take it in. It's a strange problem because even if there is something wrong with the Acrobat Reader software, Preview (Apple's reader) should read the file. Have you tried reinstalling Adobe Acrobat?
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2015, 11:36 AM »
>>>Have you tried reinstalling Adobe Acrobat?<<<

No, I have not.

I am setting up my tax stuff for next few weeks (in between playing with my Festoys) Most of the time when i try any installations on computer, i screw up something else that is worse than what i was trying to eliminate.  The computer is sort of a necessary evil.  I am nearly illiterate when working with it.  There are problems in my woodworking that I can struggle with for hours.  I have some landscaping problems that i have been working on and experimenting on for three years, some even longer.  Those I can dig into and not get tired of.  but computers ain't really my bag.  I get tired quick.  Thanks for trying to help out.  When I was doing masonry, If a stone would not  break, i got a bigger hammer.  Well, Ive been accused, upon occasion, of having rocks in my head.  Maybe a bigger is still needed.

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2015, 06:08 PM »
What I find strange with mine is that it isn't just improperly adjusted.  The stops are at about -.75 degrees and 46.75 degrees.  There's too much travel in the guide, which should be limited to 45 degrees, not 46.5 degrees.  Let me be clear...  this is with the release knob in.  There's more travel with it pulled out.  It's additionally frustrating that I couldn't reach anyone to talk to in Support and no one called me back from Festool.  I left a message at 8:30 this morning.  Called again at midday and again at 5:05 Central after they'd closed.  Both times I reached Brent's personal voicemail.  Does that mean that they have only one guy in Tech Support?  What if Brent's out for the day?  Everyone needs a vacation or a sick day from time to time.   I'm sure Brent's a good and hardworking guy and from what I gather on this forum he does a bang-up job, but I expect to be able to reach someone in tech support during an entire business day.

UPDATE:  Brent called very early this morning.  I'm guessing that he was out of the office yesterday.  He suggested that my problem may be due to the position of the saw as I'm adjusting the bevel and that effectively, I'm twisting the front edge of the saw relative to the back.  The stop IS at the rear of the saw, so it's possible that pressure on the front could kind of twist it.  He suggested placing it on a flat surface and try adjusting that way with both retaining screws well-loosened. 

He further pointed out that while the TS55 is the most accurate circular saw on the market, it's not going to be as precise as as table saw, for example.  That's a bad paraphrase, but captures the sentiment, I think.  That's probably fair.  I do think it's fair to expect at least a precise 0 and 45-degree setting.  Anything else, pretty close is as good as can be expected.  While I agreed with Brent's statement, I did point out that Festool's marketing contributes to perhaps unrealistically high expectations of precision.   Anyway, we'll see when I get back home whether Brent's guess is correct.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 02:41 PM »
It's great you got a response and it's interesting that, at this point, there is an acknowlegement that the saw's frame may "deform" slightly if you push on the saw during tightening of the front knob. While it may be true that it is not as accurate as a $3,000 - $4,000 profesional cabinet saw, I say it's as accurate as many table saws on the market. It just takes a little more attention to what you're doing and how you do it. With a table saw, you are just stuck with whatever accuracy is built in or not built in to the saw. I lived for years with an under powered saw that had a slight wobble in the shaft and forced me to measure every rip cut, miter cut and bevel cut I made with another measuring tool just to make sure it was within my limits of accuracy. The TS55 is, in fact, more accurate than that. It just doesn't easily do all the things a table saw would do.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 03:26 PM »
He further pointed out that while the TS55 is the most accurate circular saw on the market, it's not going to be as precise as as table saw, for example.  That's a bad paraphrase, but captures the sentiment, I think.  That's probably fair.  I do think it's fair to expect at least a precise 0 and 45-degree setting.  Anything else, pretty close is as good as can be expected.  While I agreed with Brent's statement, I did point out that Festool's marketing contributes to perhaps unrealistically high expectations of precision.   Anyway, we'll see when I get back home whether Brent's guess is correct.

According to my conversation with Brent just now, he did not say that, even in essence. I just wanted to make sure no one got the impression that we (or Brent specifically) are saying that.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 03:32 PM by Shane Holland »

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 03:32 PM »
Is he effectively saying that if you are on a flat surface, with both knobs loose, that when you tighten the back knob first the result is  that the front of the saw should also be in the right position with the angle gauge at 0, not requiring any further up or down adjustment of the front?

What I find strange with mine is that it isn't just improperly adjusted.  The stops are at about -.75 degrees and 46.75 degrees.  There's too much travel in the guide, which should be limited to 45 degrees, not 46.5 degrees.  Let me be clear...  this is with the release knob in.  There's more travel with it pulled out.  It's additionally frustrating that I couldn't reach anyone to talk to in Support and no one called me back from Festool.  I left a message at 8:30 this morning.  Called again at midday and again at 5:05 Central after they'd closed.  Both times I reached Brent's personal voicemail.  Does that mean that they have only one guy in Tech Support?  What if Brent's out for the day?  Everyone needs a vacation or a sick day from time to time.   I'm sure Brent's a good and hardworking guy and from what I gather on this forum he does a bang-up job, but I expect to be able to reach someone in tech support during an entire business day.

UPDATE:  Brent called very early this morning.  I'm guessing that he was out of the office yesterday.  He suggested that my problem may be due to the position of the saw as I'm adjusting the bevel and that effectively, I'm twisting the front edge of the saw relative to the back.  The stop IS at the rear of the saw, so it's possible that pressure on the front could kind of twist it.  He suggested placing it on a flat surface and try adjusting that way with both retaining screws well-loosened. 

He further pointed out that while the TS55 is the most accurate circular saw on the market, it's not going to be as precise as as table saw, for example.  That's a bad paraphrase, but captures the sentiment, I think.  That's probably fair.  I do think it's fair to expect at least a precise 0 and 45-degree setting.  Anything else, pretty close is as good as can be expected.  While I agreed with Brent's statement, I did point out that Festool's marketing contributes to perhaps unrealistically high expectations of precision.   Anyway, we'll see when I get back home whether Brent's guess is correct.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 03:48 PM »
Not to pile on here Shane, but I made a call on this precise issue a couple of months back -- and while I can't remember the exact words or who I talked to specifically -- my impression coming away from the conversation was basically the same as cornfieldcraig's, and that I was essentially received with a shrug of the shoulders, and that this was just how the machine was.  I think I might have even related in a previous post how I was a bit taken aback with the response, noting, of course, that it was an anomalous departure from the otherwise excellent service I had gotten to that point.

And I think there are enough posts on the forum about this topic to show that people are not just being prissy about the saw, nor coming in with unreasonable expectations.

Please take these comments in the spirit in which they are being offered, which is that of constructive criticism rather than bitter indictment.


He further pointed out that while the TS55 is the most accurate circular saw on the market, it's not going to be as precise as as table saw, for example.  That's a bad paraphrase, but captures the sentiment, I think.  That's probably fair.  I do think it's fair to expect at least a precise 0 and 45-degree setting.  Anything else, pretty close is as good as can be expected.  While I agreed with Brent's statement, I did point out that Festool's marketing contributes to perhaps unrealistically high expectations of precision.   Anyway, we'll see when I get back home whether Brent's guess is correct.

According to my conversation with Brent just now, he did not say that, even in essence. I just wanted to make sure no one got the impression that we (or Brent specifically) are saying that.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2015, 04:16 PM »
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 08:27 PM »
My only real expectation is that I get truly precise cuts at 90 and 45 degrees and that the built-in stop should reliably set the saw at those settings easily and consistently.  It comes close, but it at least LOOKS to me like it's missing the mark and I fail to see how moving the guide one way or another fixes this issue for me. 

Here are photos taken of the scale with the saw laying flat on its base on my MFT/3 and both the front and rear clamping screws loosened completely.  At zero degrees, I wasn't touching the saw at all.  At 45, my left hand held the base to the MFT/3 tabletop.  In neither case was I touching any other part of the saw.  Both seem to stop beyond the point that's expected.  If one was a bit past and the other a bit shy, then yes, moving the guide might well cure the issue.  With both beyond where they should stop, it looks to me like my guide has almost 46 degrees of travel. 

I also tried laying the saw on its side on the blade guard, which allows the sole plate to pivot totally without weight to distort the setting.  The 45 degree setting was very close to 45, but still a bit past.  The zero setting was unchanged from the photos.

What I haven't done is to get a 2x and cut it at both 90 and 45 degrees and actually measured the resulting cut.  Maybe they're fine.  But even if they are, it's bothersome that the bevel gauge apparently isn't very precise.

Is this what the rest of you see on your saws?

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2015, 12:49 PM »
The only true test of whether it is cutting exactly 90 and 45 degrees is to make the test cuts. The markings themselves are not necessarily right on. If the results show that your saw is actually doing what you believe is, then I'd say get service to authorize a return and have them check it (assuming it is under warranty). If the saw is less than 30 days old I'd just return it period. Buy another one from a different store.
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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2015, 12:54 PM »
My salesman have 4 of these saws,  and all have samé issue.

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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2015, 11:53 AM »
Yeah, this is the same on my saw -- a function of there being no positive stop on the front end, so that there is a slight drift given that the saw's full range is -1 and 47.

Of course you can make the cut and test it to find the true 90 or 45, but the issue is that every time you change the bevel angle you have to do the recalibration, unless you employ one of the fixes described on the forum, such as using a grub/set screw in the front as a stop, or shimming the bottom.


My only real expectation is that I get truly precise cuts at 90 and 45 degrees and that the built-in stop should reliably set the saw at those settings easily and consistently.  It comes close, but it at least LOOKS to me like it's missing the mark and I fail to see how moving the guide one way or another fixes this issue for me. 

Here are photos taken of the scale with the saw laying flat on its base on my MFT/3 and both the front and rear clamping screws loosened completely.  At zero degrees, I wasn't touching the saw at all.  At 45, my left hand held the base to the MFT/3 tabletop.  In neither case was I touching any other part of the saw.  Both seem to stop beyond the point that's expected.  If one was a bit past and the other a bit shy, then yes, moving the guide might well cure the issue.  With both beyond where they should stop, it looks to me like my guide has almost 46 degrees of travel. 

I also tried laying the saw on its side on the blade guard, which allows the sole plate to pivot totally without weight to distort the setting.  The 45 degree setting was very close to 45, but still a bit past.  The zero setting was unchanged from the photos.

What I haven't done is to get a 2x and cut it at both 90 and 45 degrees and actually measured the resulting cut.  Maybe they're fine.  But even if they are, it's bothersome that the bevel gauge apparently isn't very precise.

Is this what the rest of you see on your saws?

Zero:



45:


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Re: Ts55 REQ angle gauge
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2015, 04:15 PM »
While it's disappointing that my saw isn't quite up to my expectations, thanks to everyone that chimed in to verify that my saw is functioning as designed.  Now I won't bother sending it in for an adjustment.