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FESTOOL DISCUSSIONS => Festool Tool Problems => Topic started by: JD2720 on December 28, 2007, 12:10 AM

Title: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: JD2720 on December 28, 2007, 12:10 AM
My Wife & Kids got me a TRION PSB 300 EQ jigsaw for Christmas. It is a great saw but I have a problem with it.
I cannot see the cut line with the chip guard in place. I can see the line fine with the chip guard removed, but the dust collection is lacking.
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on December 28, 2007, 02:01 AM
No, you aren't missing anything. That would be the shortfall. Some people black the cut line with a sharpie, some cut from the underside. Crazy as it might sound, I cut with the saw heading towards me if I can, that helps. Good light is important.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: TahoeTwoBears on December 28, 2007, 09:03 AM
Don't forget the antistatic wipe trick.......
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Daviddubya on December 28, 2007, 09:43 AM
Are you using the splinter guard?  I have become accustomed to using the arrow on the front of the splinter guard to follow the cut line.  It works quite well, and is very easy to see.  If you need to make a very accurate cut, remove both the chip guard and the splinter guard to see the blade clearly.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Lou Miller on December 28, 2007, 12:47 PM
Return it and buy a Bosch...   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Hoover on December 28, 2007, 04:09 PM
I agree with Lou on getting the bosch instead.  I think they are equal in their cutting and for $15 you can add the dust collection onto the bosch and still be at about $170 or less if amazon or another retailer is running a promotion.  But as you've found out, the dust hood will be a problem on either saw.  Thank your wife and kids for the wonderful thought, exchange it for the bosch and take them out to dinner with the difference. 
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on December 28, 2007, 04:43 PM
You're crazy Hoover! Buy blades with the difference! ;D
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: JD2720 on December 28, 2007, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the replies. I will not be returning the Festool jigsaw. I already own 2 Bosh jigsaws. The Bosch saws are nice, but the Festool saw in much nicer. As is advertised, the Festool does a much better job of keeping the blade vertical & the dust collection is great. I am going to be ordering some more chip guards & try enlarging the opening to improve the veiw of the cut line & still have good dust collection.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on December 28, 2007, 06:54 PM
Finally, a defender of the jigsaw.  ;D
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Brice Burrell on December 28, 2007, 07:16 PM
Thanks for the replies. I will not be returning the Festool jigsaw. I already own 2 Bosh jigsaws.....

I bet your Bosch jigsaws are a few years old, not the newest models??
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: ryansmythe on December 28, 2007, 07:21 PM
I have one of the newest bosch jigsaws and it is a good saw but cutting material thicker than .75" you rarely get it to cut square.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Steven in Iowa on December 28, 2007, 08:28 PM
I also had a new model Bosch and bought the Festool for the dust control.  After using it for cutting the 'Bird's Mouths' on a bunch of home built rafters this Summer, I can certainly can say the Festool cuts much straighter when the material is > 1". JMHO
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: bruegf on December 28, 2007, 08:35 PM
I hope its worth the extra money over the Bosch for both dust control and squareness of cut.  I'm still waiting for Santa to deliver mine!

Fred
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on December 28, 2007, 09:54 PM
Have you guys tried the Bosch saw with Festool blades? I'm curious if that improves the square cutting ability.
Mike
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on December 28, 2007, 11:12 PM
The blade guides are supposedly what keep the blade square, not the blade itself.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Brad Evans on December 29, 2007, 12:00 AM
I like the Bosch.  It doesn't bounce around with too much vacuum... :o
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Bob Marino on December 29, 2007, 12:09 AM
The blade guides are supposedly what keep the blade square, not the blade itself.

True,  but Festool also has a series of thicker blades, which do not deflect nearly as much as the others.

 Bob
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Steven in Iowa on December 29, 2007, 12:21 AM
The blade guides are supposedly what keep the blade square, not the blade itself.

True,  but Festool also has a series of thicker blades, which do not deflect nearly as much as the others.

 Bob

That is exactly what I used and they definitely perform as advertised.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: JD2720 on December 29, 2007, 12:30 AM
The blade guides are supposedly what keep the blade square, not the blade itself.

True,  but Festool also has a series of thicker blades, which do not deflect nearly as much as the others.

 Bob

Bob,

Are any of the thicker blades included in the blade assortment?
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Daviddubya on December 29, 2007, 10:41 AM
Bob,

Are any of the thicker blades included in the blade assortment?

I'm not Bob, but...  Yes, there are 7 of the S 75/4 FSG blades in the assortment.  The FSG are the thicker blades.

BTW - you can use Festool blades in Bosch saws and vice versa.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Bob Marino on December 29, 2007, 10:48 AM
Bob,

Are any of the thicker blades included in the blade assortment?

I'm not Bob, but...  Yes, there are 7 of the S 75/4 FSG blades in the assortment.  The FSG are the thicker blades.

BTW - you can use Festool blades in Bosch saws and vice versa.

 Thanks Dave! :)

 Bob
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: JD2720 on December 29, 2007, 11:32 AM
Bob,

Are any of the thicker blades included in the blade assortment?

I'm not Bob, but...  Yes, there are 7 of the S 75/4 FSG blades in the assortment.  The FSG are the thicker blades.

BTW - you can use Festool blades in Bosch saws and vice versa.

Thanks Dave,
I have been using the Bosch blades in the Festool jigsaw. That is one of the reasons I am very impressed with the saw. It cuts so much better than the Bosch, using the same blades.
I just discovered that one of the FSG blades came with the saw. I had not even looked at them as I wanted to do a comparason with the blades I have been using.


Thanks Bob.


Chris

Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Dave Ronyak on December 29, 2007, 12:32 PM
I have one of the newest bosch jigsaws and it is a good saw but cutting material thicker than .75" you rarely get it to cut square.

Then I suggest that you try a few Makita blades in your Bosch.  I purchased a Makita jigsaw a couple of years ago because most of the work I was doing seemed to be in low light situations (building a deck in the evenings/nights), and I liked the relatively smaller size and LED light that shines on the cutting edge of the blade, and the cost was about the same as a Bosch unit.  Makita included a small assortment of their blades, which have the same bayonet mount as is used by Bosch and Festool.  I have found their blades to cut very square, even in 2X stock.  In fact for cutting 2X ACQ lumber, I prefer Makita's blades to the Festool products.

Dave R.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on December 29, 2007, 01:09 PM
Eli,
   
Quote
The blade guides are supposedly what keep the blade square, not the blade itself.

The newer model Bosch has very similar lower blade guides ::) (Somebody copied) and I have the older Bosch so I am curious if more ridgid blades would bring the new Bosch close to the Festool in square cutting ability. So anyone with a new Bosch and a Triton want to compair?
Mike
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: bruegf on December 29, 2007, 01:25 PM
Mike,

I should be able to do a comparison once my jigsaw arrives as my Dad as two Bosch jigsaws, both a newer style and an older one.

Fred
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on December 29, 2007, 01:36 PM
Fred,
  Woo hoo. A real tool review ;D

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Hoover on December 29, 2007, 07:21 PM
Bob,

Are any of the thicker blades included in the blade assortment?

I'm not Bob, but...  Yes, there are 7 of the S 75/4 FSG blades in the assortment.  The FSG are the thicker blades.

BTW - you can use Festool blades in Bosch saws and vice versa.

David,

Just to confirm something with the festool blades.  The 75 in the number stands for the length of the blade and does the 4 stand for the thickness?  I assume this is the case but I just want to make sure I'm interpreting it correctly.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: AZSportsFan on January 05, 2008, 02:58 PM
Mike,

I should be able to do a comparison once my jigsaw arrives as my Dad as two Bosch jigsaws, both a newer style and an older one.

Fred

Did this review ever happen, Fred?

Just curious.

Brad
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: bruegf on January 05, 2008, 03:05 PM
Not yet,  just received the saw yesterday, but somehow accidently ordered the d-handle version instead of the barrel grip version, so I need to exchange it.  Still can't figure out how in the world I did that since the website actually has the picture of the saw next to the add to cart button.  Fortunately, Bob is a great guy to deal with and there's no problem getting it exchanged.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.....  but, I get better at it every day. 

Fred
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Frans on January 05, 2008, 04:16 PM
David,

Just to confirm something with the festool blades.  The 75 in the number stands for the length of the blade and does the 4 stand for the thickness?  I assume this is the case but I just want to make sure I'm interpreting it correctly.  Thanks.

I'm not David, but the 75 is indeed the length (in millimeters) of the cutting part of the blade. The 4 is the size of the teeth in millimeters.

Frans
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Bill in seattle on January 05, 2008, 05:25 PM
as my eyes get fuzzier with age I have found that enlarging the slot in the chipguard at the bottom about 1/8'' wider gives me much better view of the blade and cut line without sacrificing dust collection ability. I used a rotary tool and took off some plastic on each side till I got a good view. If I find a camera I'll post a pic. 
also a note on the blades, there are four blades s75/4fs 486549, s75/4fsg 486551 s105/4fsg 486552,  s145/4fsg 490256 that are made specifically for cutting at precise angles and square. they are thicker and resist flexing which gives them the ability to due this.
 The s75/4fs  is a hollow ground (tooth set in) which makes better strait cuts and finer finishes vrs the others are tooth set out and better for curves/radius work.  let the blade do the work and don't force it on thicker woods with the longer blades for best results.
a helpful note when changing between blades is to check the blade guide set. it is adjustable using the allen in the base. if you go to a thicker blade and they are set to tight, the guides being carbide,  will quickly heat up the blade and cause it to bend backwards. I've seen them turn red hot and fold back.( not good)and then conversely, if they are set to loose and you put in a thin blade they  will allow the blade to flex and result in a poor cut. Set the guides to be snug but not allow binding, a little lite bluing on the blade is normal, but black is a tad tight.
not many people realize this fine feature on festool jigsaws, this is another thing I believe sets them apart from others. check it out next time you cut with it and it might help following the line even easier.
Bill
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on January 05, 2008, 08:52 PM
The blade guide adjustment is a good tip. I wouldn't have thought to check. Now I won't smoke a blade. Thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on January 06, 2008, 08:30 PM
Quote
check the blade guide set. it is adjustable using the allen in the base

This might explain why people find the Triton cuts more squarely than the Bosch. I think the lower guides on the Bosch are spring loaded instead of fixed. So they are self adjusting but not as rigid.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Lancashire Fusilier on January 07, 2008, 01:48 AM
Quote
check the blade guide set. it is adjustable using the allen in the base

This might explain why people find the Triton cuts more squarely than the Bosch. I think the lower guides on the Bosch are spring loaded instead of fixed. So they are self adjusting but not as rigid.

Triton? Triton? what??
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Ned on January 07, 2008, 10:20 AM
Triton? Triton? what??

Puzzled me for a moment, too.  I think it should be Trion, as in "Festool jigsaw".

Ned
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Lancashire Fusilier on January 07, 2008, 07:31 PM
Yeah gathered that too. Freudian slips perhaps?
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on January 07, 2008, 11:42 PM
You mean the jigsaw isn't named after a Greek sea god?  ???
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Eli on January 08, 2008, 01:40 AM
Actually Triton does make a (monster) jigsaw here in AUS, but I'm sure that wasn't really what he was talking about.
Title: Re: Festool Jigsaw
Post by: Mike Chrest on January 08, 2008, 10:06 AM
 Oh. OK. Eli's right. I couldn't figure why all the confusion about a typo. I forgot about the big orange tools from Oz. Getting senile.