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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2020, 09:28 AM »
I, for one, would definitely be interested in a replacement module that would allow me to use a conventional lift and a PC 7518 motor.


While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2020, 11:20 AM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.

Offline bkharman

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2020, 01:54 PM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.
I think he is talking about this.


https://www.vmtw.com/jessem-05200-pow-r-tek-3-1-4-hp-router-motor-with-evs-remote-control-box/

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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2020, 02:01 PM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.

Cheesy one (@Cheese), I looked earlier today for it and didn't find it either, but as I recall, it was mentioned in a post here on the FOG a couple of days ago.  Bryan found the same thing on VMTW.  If it's as nice as I suspect it is, it would be my choice for a stationary unit. 
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2020, 02:21 PM »
Sparktrician; that was nice.. luckily it’s probably not available in 240V [crying]
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Offline bkharman

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2020, 02:26 PM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.

Cheesy one (@Cheese), I looked earlier today for it and didn't find it either, but as I recall, it was mentioned in a post here on the FOG a couple of days ago.  Bryan found the same thing on VMTW.  If it's as nice as I suspect it is, it would be my choice for a stationary unit.
If only they added a lift control to it... that would be lethal!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2020, 03:34 PM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.

Cheesy one (@Cheese), I looked earlier today for it and didn't find it either, but as I recall, it was mentioned in a post here on the FOG a couple of days ago.  Bryan found the same thing on VMTW.  If it's as nice as I suspect it is, it would be my choice for a stationary unit.
If only they added a lift control to it... that would be lethal!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Well.. there’s these small linear actuators.. some work in very small increments. And there’s servo motors that typically work in short strokes. Most are 12/24V though.
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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2020, 10:14 PM »

We promised to take another look and report back:

Looking at the CMS laboring in TSO’s shop, we measured each of (5) Throat Plates and each of the (2) Centering Plates, using a Dial Indicator, and found results varying from .002” to 0.011”  below flush. What everyone seems to be seeing is the tolerance stack-up in these components.

We rarely find that this amount of recess matters when dealing with common parts in the flat position. If we need a high degree of precision for a particular small-part project, we resort to a zero-clearance table lamination made out of 1/8" MDF or HDF attached with doublesided tape. We’ve done this before. It works well for those rare jobs where it's necessary to be dead flush right up to the bit. 

We are not fans of running narrow parts standing on edge across a router because it creates additional problems beyond just hanging up on the throat plates recess.

The comments from Europe are enlightening – thank you!

So could TSO machine throat- and centering plates? – sure, that’s probably the easier part. How many woodworkers would buy a set? How would we reach them? How would we know how many to make or how many to base a selling price on?

We’ll follow your responses with interest.

Hans

PS: a completely different subject: “plates that accepts more routers - with the option of a more proper router lift” for the CMS.

Offline Cheese

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM »
Hey Hans, how about when the router rings are proud of the router table surface? That does present a problem.

Here's a shot of the router rings before sanding. One side was .023" proud while the other side was 012" proud. Not only are the rings proud of the table but they are also inconsistent from side to side.





Check out the Woodpeckers square...very nasty.



So here are the results after several hours of sanding with a ETS EC 125/150 hybrid.



.001" proud on the LH side and .0015" proud on the RH side.

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2020, 05:20 AM »
While I really like the PC 7518, the new router from Jessem which is in reality a Milwaukee router with a remote control head would be quite interesting in this role.

Sparky @Sparktrician do you have a link to that?  I couldn't find anything on the Jessem website.

Cheesy one (@Cheese), I looked earlier today for it and didn't find it either, but as I recall, it was mentioned in a post here on the FOG a couple of days ago.  Bryan found the same thing on VMTW.  If it's as nice as I suspect it is, it would be my choice for a stationary unit.
If only they added a lift control to it... that would be lethal!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Hi Brian (@bkharman) ! Somehow, the tags you have made did not result in any notifications... One of the customers has referred me to this topic.
I do remember we have discussed it and the only viable option I saw was to change the insert plate. The design of the CMS does not allow a good insert placement into an existing one due to added height. Let me revisit this, a fresh look may lead to new angles :)

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2020, 12:16 PM »
Hey Hans, how about when the router rings are proud of the router table surface? That does present a problem.

Here's a shot of the router rings before sanding. One side was .023" proud while the other side was 012" proud. Not only are the rings proud of the table but they are also inconsistent from side to side.

@Cheese - proud of the table is definite non-starters requiring a remedy as you show.

We won't undertake anything else unless we receive new input to initiate added work on our part.

Hans

Offline HowardH

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2020, 10:14 PM »

We are not fans of running narrow parts standing on edge across a router because it creates additional problems beyond just hanging up on the throat plates recess.


I understand exactly why you feel that way.  It is certainly not stable and the CMS does not accommodate aftermarket vertical and horizontal feather boards to provide that added measure of stability like a power feeder on a shaper.  However, not being able to do that operation safely negates the usage of a miter lock bit in the first place.  Yet they are used all the time so how does one safely and with precision use this bit to cut the edge side of the joint, especially on thinner stock?
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Offline bkharman

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2020, 10:29 PM »

We are not fans of running narrow parts standing on edge across a router because it creates additional problems beyond just hanging up on the throat plates recess.


I understand exactly why you feel that way.  It is certainly not stable and the CMS does not accommodate aftermarket vertical and horizontal feather boards to provide that added measure of stability like a power feeder on a shaper.  However, not being able to do that operation safely negates the usage of a miter lock bit in the first place.  Yet they are used all the time so how does one safely and with precision use this bit to cut the edge side of the joint, especially on thinner stock?
Howard. Look at Infinity tools or any other vertical jig holder. I would personally make one, but can easily sandwich the piece to safely cut it.   Something like this.




Cheers. Bryan.


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Offline HowardH

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2020, 10:36 PM »
I didn't know those were even available.  Thanks, Bryan!  It's exactly what I was looking for. 
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2020, 06:28 PM »
Regarding router insert and CMS router plate:

The whole plate could also be redesigned, it doesn’t even have to be in aluminium. As long as it accommodate the dimensions to fit the two CMS tables with templates for the fence, Festool lift and a “common” router plate dimensions.

Would that be an better solution? One could make one on its own. But still some machined parts where it is supported on the two profiles one the GE or VL, also where the router plate drops in would make it more durable. Just some thoughts.
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Offline Gregor

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Re: CMS GE issue
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2020, 08:41 AM »
My believe is that these are not items most owners will sell. At least not now when discontinued.
I have several CMS, the one with the OF plate is the one that they'll have to pry from my cold dead hands.