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Offline Bohdan

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2015, 04:13 AM »

So with only powering the lasers one would think that the load must be well under 3.3kw.


In this case he was using a generator which may have been an inverter which produce really bad sine waves especially on low load. The electronics would sense that and refuse to turn on. It appears that Festool have designed their tools to self protect really well, too well to the extent that they will refuse to run if every thing is not perfect.

I have found that the TS55, when ripping thru 2" hardwood, will thermally shut down to protect itself from overheating. Nice feature as I would always prefer it shuts down rather than burns out, but its a real PITA when you are working.

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Offline Holmz

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2015, 05:09 AM »
@Bohdan, now that you've explained it - it makes total sense on the inverter genny.

(tweet: Maybe he needs a big subwoofer cross over to remove the high frequency stuff.)

Offline Bohdan

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2015, 05:13 AM »
@Bohdan, now that you've explained it - it makes total sense on the inverter genny.

(tweet: Maybe he needs a big subwoofer cross over to remove the high frequency stuff.)

The really good genies have one built in, they are called pure sine wave generators.

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2015, 08:58 AM »
 Best thing festool can do is

1. Make a festool transformer which works with their tools no problem

Or

2. Festool recommend a minimum kva transformer to be used with their tools.  So people won't be disappointed.

Problem is 110v owners obviously already own 110v transformers. The tools they already own (Milwaukee,dewalt,Bosch, makita etc) all worked fine on their transformer so when they buy a festool tool they expect the festool tool to just work on their current transformers.

Should have a big sticker inside every box saying make sure you don't have a   s h i t  transformer because I won't work very well.

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Offline Nippychippy

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2015, 01:02 PM »
Best thing festool can do is

1. Make a festool transformer which works with their tools no problem

Or

2. Festool recommend a minimum kva transformer to be used with their tools.  So people won't be disappointed.

Problem is 110v owners obviously already own 110v transformers. The tools they already own (Milwaukee,dewalt,Bosch, makita etc) all worked fine on their transformer so when they buy a festool tool they expect the festool tool to just work on their current transformers.

Should have a big sticker inside every box saying make sure you don't have a   s h i t  transformer because I won't work very well.

Offline luke1984

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2015, 01:20 PM »
Jmb I'm loving your last post [big grin] [big grin]

Offline Holmz

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2015, 04:04 PM »
Best thing festool can do is

1. Make a festool transformer which works with their tools no problem

Or

2. Festool recommend a minimum kva transformer to be used with their tools.  So people won't be disappointed.

Problem is 110v owners obviously already own 110v transformers. The tools they already own (Milwaukee,dewalt,Bosch, makita etc) all worked fine on their transformer so when they buy a festool tool they expect the festool tool to just work on their current transformers.

Should have a big sticker inside every box saying make sure you don't have a   s h i t  transformer because I won't work very well.

I would rather Festool made power tools than power generation equipment.
Sicne other tools can stand power with harmonics, I would assume it is possible that FT could make the tools have the filtering inside for the sensitive electronics.

A saw that cost 3x what the others cost shold be able to run on the same xformer, and not require a former that is 3x more expensive...
It is hard to convince a rational person that the saw is better, without it actually working.

Offline Bohdan

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2015, 05:14 PM »

A saw that cost 3x what the others cost shold be able to run on the same xformer, and not require a former that is 3x more expensive...
It is hard to convince a rational person that the saw is better, without it actually working.

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Offline terrystouf

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2015, 05:22 PM »
I tried running the Kapex of a genny once and had the same problem of it not firing up , I tried revving the gen , still nothing ,then i thought its something to do with the initial time delay of load or spike when the gen senses it has to rev up  , so I put a load on with the vac on manual and voila the kapex worked fine , that said it still blew up 3 months later with a fried armature , Ive only had it on a gen a few days of its life , I guess its smart enough it can sense voltage problems , but not heat or current overloads .. BTW its 120v at 60hz here in North America , not 110v , if its the same motors or not I dont know .
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Offline andyman

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2015, 05:34 PM »
 [tongue]
I do wonder as both trannys are few years old now

@andyman

I think when your trannys are old enough you should just let them leave home and do their own thing [wink]

Offline Holmz

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2015, 07:48 PM »
... BTW its 120v at 60hz here in North America , not 110v , if its the same motors or not I dont know .

They do not think that they call the '220' outlets '240',  which indicates that the individual sources must be 110. (??).

However I think that the spec is 110-120 (or maybe 110-127)??
And the power can "brown out", so there is a range that confirms to the spec.
so... it is either 110 or 120, or both since it is a range.

However Japan is specifically 100v.

Offline MT Carpentry And Joinery

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2015, 05:12 PM »
I've got the kapex,ctl 26, ts55, of1010, of1400 and ehl65 all of which struggle massively if my transformer isn't plugged straight into mains it's useless ! If anyone wants to swap for 240v please be my saviour !

Offline joiner1970

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2015, 05:30 PM »
I've got the kapex,ctl 26, ts55, of1010, of1400 and ehl65 all of which struggle massively if my transformer isn't plugged straight into mains it's useless ! If anyone wants to swap for 240v please be my saviour !
That's weird I've been using 110v Festool since 2007 and the only trouble I've had was with the kapex running off my midi when the midi isn't direct into a decent transformer. Plugged directly into atleast a 3.3kva and it runs ok

Offline ifit

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2015, 03:27 AM »
I run a 2.7 kva genie and it fine just as long as I plug my midi directly. I run my kapex and of2200. Not as power full as the mains but still both cut fine.

What make and model is it luke?

Offline MT Carpentry And Joinery

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2015, 03:58 AM »
Yes what mode I have a carol and merol I think that's what it's called I have been told I need a 5kva transformer but who wants to lug a 40kg box around surely that's more dangerous than 240 as anything over 25kg is a two man lift ;) and the fact that 110v doesn't have a affective electric brake on Festool saws or routers ! Seriously debating on selling it all and buying all 240 and using heavy duty artic flex and hard wiring a rcd plug onto the flex so each tool has a isolator than I'm surely going to have half a chance with mr hse

Offline luke1984

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2015, 03:59 AM »
It's a Honda engine but il have a look at what brand the electronic part is for you a it later

Offline jobsworth

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2015, 05:14 AM »
Ya know thinking this again. I switched trannys. Both are rated the same 3.3Kv. One I borrowed from a friend, the other was given to me after my buddy wanted his back.

I noticed a difference in the power from the trannys. The one I got from my bud was awesome plenty of power  no issues. When he took his back and I got another one (a freebie a yank was going back to the states left it) I notice a lack of power in my tools.

So looking back on my original post, I would say your tranny maybe under powered.  I got to get with my bud and get his tranny back, maybe swap with him as he doesn't use his all the time.

Im guessing that could very well be the problem. As Im experiencing it now.

Offline Dangermouse

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2015, 04:59 PM »
I've been using 110v festool for at least 5 years and had a problem at first, getting a new tranny sorted it out.
one thing I did discover is that if you've got a 3.3kva tranny, its only designed to run at peak load for a short time, i.e when you start up your vac/saw. and even if it is a 3.3kva there are diffrent continuous load ratings 1.5kva ect
my first tranny was only rated for 1.5kva continuous load, my new one is a 2.5kva, it pays to check

Offline jobsworth

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Re: 110v Range
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2015, 05:10 PM »
That could be what's going on with mine. Funny I don't have a issue with any of the tools except the Kapex