Author Topic: One for the Aussies... (Read 424540 times)

Kev · « **Reply #480 on:** November 19, 2015, 12:34 AM »

Quote from: Untidy Shop on November 18, 2015, 09:08 PM

But the good news is I just got the all clear on a large Polyp recently removed from my bowel.
@Kev

That's the sort of news I like to hear

(is the use of the thumbs up emoji in good taste in this context?)

@Untidy Shop

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #481 on:** November 19, 2015, 01:50 AM »

Quote from: benwheeler on November 18, 2015, 09:27 PM

Congrats Untidy!

Perhaps FOGgers are automatically disqualified as fanboys who need no further encouragement?

Ben, given some of the comments in this thread, that is most likely!!

Quote from: Kev on November 19, 2015, 12:34 AM

Quote from: Untidy Shop on November 18, 2015, 09:08 PM

But the good news is I just got the all clear on a large Polyp recently removed from my bowel.
@Kev

That's the sort of news I like to hear

(is the use of the thumbs up emoji in good taste in this context?)

@Untidy Shop

Well Kev that emoji thumb is a lot smaller than the last
instrument that was . . . . . .!!

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Thanks Kev and Ben for your best wishes.

@benwheeler @Kev

bryan1982 · « **Reply #482 on:** November 19, 2015, 05:45 AM »

Quote from: Kev on November 18, 2015, 08:53 PM

http://blog.festool.com.au

I won the c18

Cheers

Bryan

As toy can see, I've won all nine tools and there's flying me to Hawaii for the gifting ceremony ...

I don't think any of those winners are FOGgers and I'd find that really hard to believe!

I'm consoling myself because I already have all of the prize tools anyway, but anything would have been cool for my son

I suppose I'm just lucky in love

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #483 on:** November 19, 2015, 06:02 AM »

Great News Bryan, congratulations.

@bryan1982

Kev · « **Reply #484 on:** November 19, 2015, 06:32 AM »

@bryan1982 you've made me 11.1% less depressed

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #485 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:58 AM »

No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

Holmz · « **Reply #486 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:04 AM »

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #487 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:13 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 06:04 AM

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

Well I am one of those Bunnings Experts (Expert - Drip Under Preasure). We are constantly told, if you do not know don't advise. Perhaps your 'expert' should have looked at the following website -

http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/paint-decorating/paint/wood-finishes/varnish

But then again perhaps they did!

For the answer -
http://www.silive.com/homegarden/homeimprovement/index.ssf/2009/07/the_pros_and_cons_of_lacquers.html

http://durobond.com.au/our-coatings/lacquers/

@Holmz

For the benefit of those outside Australia, Bunnings is the largest hardware chain in Australia and New Zealand. Business plan is based upon the NAmerican big box concept such as Harbour Freight.

DB10 · « **Reply #488 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:34 AM »

Quote from: Untidy Shop on December 13, 2015, 05:58 AM

No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

(Attachment Link)

Yep got the email that says,
"It's that time of year again when Festool has their Happy New Year January 1st Price rise".
Can't help but feel there is a touch of sarcasm in their email, Can't blame them really, must be frustrating for the dealers trying to justify the rise to their customers each year.

Bohdan · « **Reply #489 on:** December 13, 2015, 07:45 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 06:04 AM

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

Holmz · « **Reply #490 on:** December 13, 2015, 04:48 PM »

Thanks @Untidy Shop & @Bohdan .

Kev · « **Reply #491 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:58 PM »

Quote from: Untidy Shop on December 13, 2015, 05:58 AM

No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

(Attachment Link)

@Untidy Shop

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Festool bread and butter differentiation of DC, track saw, etc is fast vanishing ..

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

Mike B · « **Reply #492 on:** December 13, 2015, 07:10 PM »

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

Holmz · « **Reply #493 on:** December 13, 2015, 07:28 PM »

Quote from: Bohdan on December 13, 2015, 07:45 AM

Quote from: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 06:04 AM
Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

It is a long drive to Geelong (go the Cats), but I have contacted Durabond.

What is the experience with a 2-pac automotive clear? I suspect that the coefficient of expansion is not well matched to wood so it might craze. But it is locally available.

I am looking to apply it onto Veneer, which could be tung/linseed oiled first...
I suppose some test pieces might be what I SHOULD do?

Peter Halle · « **Reply #494 on:** December 13, 2015, 07:30 PM »

If my memory is correct Tooltechnics of Australia and only one or two others have a different company structure than the rest of the world. I have met the trainer for Festool Australia and he is one of the coolest guys I've met. I understand that they do read this forum, but at the risk of upsetting the cart - also send an email directly to them and express your concerns.

Peter

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #495 on:** December 13, 2015, 08:01 PM »

Quote from: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 07:28 PM

Quote from: Bohdan on December 13, 2015, 07:45 AM
Quote from: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 06:04 AM
Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?
The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.
I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

It is a long drive to Geelong (go the Cats), but I have contacted Durabond.

What is the experience with a 2-pac automotive clear? I suspect that the coefficient of expansion is not well matched to wood so it might craze. But it is locally available.

I am looking to apply it onto Veneer, which could be tung/linseed oiled first...
I suppose some test pieces might be what I SHOULD do?

Gee if this topic keeps going, I may have to log on at work before next weekend!

Anyway Holmz, speaking of two pack, have you seen -

@Holmz

Holmz · « **Reply #496 on:** December 13, 2015, 08:14 PM »

Yeah @Untidy Shop I've seen it.
I suppose maybe I should give it a whirl.

Looking for something which is pretty hard so it can be polished. I like the idea of lacquer as it seems relatively easy to repair.
Also assuming like most 2 part epoxy systems that it needs a top coat which is a UV inhibiter?

The last time I used a 2 part epoxy on veneer it was a challenge.
The worst part was when the big red back hiding inside the painting mask decided to have a gnaw on the Haus-Boss's nose.
Her nose wasn't too out of joint from it, but I check my mask and keep it in a large zip lock baggie now.

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #497 on:** December 13, 2015, 09:29 PM »

Quote from: Mike B on December 13, 2015, 07:10 PM

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

The far superior promotion of Festool products Down Under [apart from a few excellent dealers often mentioned on this thread], is this Forum.

However probably not always this particular thread during the past twelve months.

@Kev @Mike B

Quote from: Kev on December 13, 2015, 06:58 PM

Quote from: Untidy Shop on December 13, 2015, 05:58 AM
No doubt those Ausies on the 'Just Tools' email list would have received the news tonight that, like the Canadians, our Festool prices will rise from 5-8 percent on Jan 1St.

(Attachment Link)

@Untidy Shop

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Festool bread and butter differentiation of DC, track saw, etc is fast vanishing ..

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

Mmmmmmm Kev, if memory serves me correct you said something like this after the last price rise! Now let me think a minute; haven't you in the past twelve months purchased an HKC, and a X, and a Y and oh yeah, a Z?!

@Kev

Kev · « **Reply #498 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:55 PM »

@Untidy Shop

I'm pretty certain I've (maybe with the exception of one, possibly two) only purchased the new tools and accessories).

... and I still haven't dropped the pennies for a Conturo, though I think that'll be a pickup on a Europe trip

(I do have 5 lifetimes worth of edge banding after all)

Larso · « **Reply #499 on:** December 14, 2015, 03:35 AM »

The most common finishing products in joinery shops are single pack lacquers generally mirotone or wattly industrial coatings,the intermediate step between the single pack and two pack poly is an acid catalysed two part lacquer. Mostly.
Shellac is a very easy forgiving product you can buff to a brilliant gloss and not as toxic at home but not as hard as other finishes.

Two pack auto products work just as well on timber in general and i have seen many brands used over time.If you are worried about movement etc you can add a flex aid commonly used when painting plastic motorbike mudguards and the paint wont crack.We used to use Standox automotive during shop fit outs where the counters were curved and the facing was cut from kerf board painted in the workshop rolled up and fitted on site.

Wattyl Timberline is an industrial product that is a re branding of a spartan automotive acrylic which is pretty good for pigmented finishes.

Kev · « **Reply #500 on:** December 14, 2015, 04:25 AM »

Just saw the Ideatools e-update ... offering finance and "order before Christmas".

Is this simply a more subtle approach to the looming price hike?

For a giggle I thought I'll create a shopping basket with EVERYTHING I could add from Festool and save it. Then I'll do it again in the new year and see just how significant the hike has been.

Back on the behaviour of Tooltechnic ... resellers crave promotions to have a reason to go out to customers. One look at the Idealtools e-update and you ask yourself "why am I reading this?"

Michael1960 · « **Reply #501 on:** December 14, 2015, 06:29 AM »

Quote from: Mike B on December 13, 2015, 07:10 PM

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

Mike - well said.
For these reasons I have avoided visiting my Premium Dealer and I've saved fortune.

mike68au · « **Reply #502 on:** December 14, 2015, 09:48 AM »

I haven't been in for 3 months.... and if price rises are coming in Jan, i think that i'll be staying away longer..... + i really just don't need anything other than a Festool 18V Impact and that ain't happening anytime soon

I wish i could kick Sugar as quickly as i have visiting my Premium dealer.... for Festool.

Kev · « **Reply #503 on:** December 17, 2015, 04:16 AM »

Well ... I grabbed a BS105 today. Probably saving $100 on the price hike!

Something I hadn't realised, the adjustment of the unit relative to the floating base is incredibly fine. Talking to Rob at Northern Abrasives - you'd never bother with something like an RS200 on a table top of work top any more, you'd use this puppy and then go straight to your ETS for the higher grits. We'll see

Still haven't been able to convince myself to hit the button on the Conturo. It seems really odd that I can get something like a Felder FB510 for the same money

(yeh, yeh - different animal and all that). Sadly the Felder needs a bit more space than a Systainer

Holmz · « **Reply #504 on:** December 17, 2015, 05:53 AM »

Thanks @Larso
I may try that 2-pack DeBeer and see how it goes.

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #505 on:** December 23, 2015, 05:37 AM »

Today, in Melbourne, I visited my favourite dealer. Noted plenty of signs offering 10-20% discount on accessories. Twenty percent on related accessories if you purchased a Festool tool.

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I also looked at some Milwaukie drills for the first time. Thought the finish was a little rough on some edges. Was surprised by this. Leaving aside Festool, the Metabo finish looked much better.

Kev · « **Reply #506 on:** December 24, 2015, 02:02 AM »

Quote from: Untidy Shop on December 23, 2015, 05:37 AM

Today, in Melbourne, I visited my favourite dealer. Noted plenty of signs offering 10-20% discount on accessories. Twenty percent on related accessories if you purchased a Festool tool.

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I also looked at some Milwaukie drills for the first time. Thought the finish was a little rough on some edges. Was surprised by this. Leaving aside Festool, the Metabo finish looked much better.

@Untidy Shop

I actually think that some of the Milwaukie tools are extremely well designed, but then manufactured to a price that compromises the end product. It's a real shame because I (and if I was colour blind) would have considered them as a tool range supplement over Metabo.

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #507 on:** December 31, 2015, 08:46 PM »

Happy New Years Day to all Aussie Festoolvians.

Festool have released a new Promotions Catalogue today which includes the release of the Cleantec Systainer Vac. Thanks to @Davesbuildtips for pointing this out in his review at -
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/cleantec-ctl-sys/msg435791/?topicseen#msg435791

The other new products are two Syslites and larger Storage Systainers. But no sign of the HK55 corded. There is also a genuine promotion this time with $50 cash back on Cordless tools. See details at -
http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/files/campaigns/Festool_Jan-March_Campaign_Brochure.pdf

But in welcoming in the new year there are the foreshadowed Price Rises. In some cases modest in some not, but given the fall of the Australian dollar during last year, these rises could have been worse. May indicate Festool Aust purchases in Euros rather than Dollers US. Only my speculation. Some price rise examples -
Kapex 120 - A$1795 to 1895
C18 Basic - A$379 to 399
PDC 18 Basic - A$425 to 449
HK55C Basic - A$525 to 559

DB10 · « **Reply #508 on:** December 31, 2015, 09:08 PM »

Happy new year to fellow members!
@Untidy Shop My Carvex in basic cordless form has gone up in price by $100 in a little over a year, that's a 25% increase.
Just looking through the latest promotions and I think they could have kicked off the New Year with some much better deals. As these promotions are only going to work if your prepared to spend big.
That $50 dollar cash back isn't a cash back it's $50 dollar off your next tool spend. So it means more money spent to save a few dollar.
How about a decent promotion like introducing a discount on newly released products for a limited time, something like $50 off the new CTL Sys or $25 off of the new systainers just to get the year started.

Untidy Shop · « **Reply #509 on:** December 31, 2015, 09:16 PM »

Quote from: DB10 on December 31, 2015, 09:08 PM

Happy new year to fellow members!
@Untidy Shop My Carve . . . . . . .
That $50 dollar cash back isn't a cash back it's $50 dollar off your next tool spend. So it means more money spent to save a few dollar.
How about a decent promotion like introducing a discount on newly released products for a limited time, something like $50 off the new CTL Sys or $25 off of the new systainers just to get the year started.

Happy New Year DB.
Yes I misread the Cash Back Offer [due to NYE Hangover

]. I can only agree with you and it favours big purchases rather than those who purchase irregularly (apart from Consumerables).
@DB10