Author Topic: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide (Read 50734 times)

Mike Goetzke · « **Reply #210 on:** February 13, 2019, 10:52 AM »

Quote from: Dane on February 13, 2019, 10:37 AM

That makes sense, I suppose. And I certainly understand the multifunctionalty of having the squares and the guides. Still, for someone starting from zero, like I am, it makes this an almost 600.00 proposition. I am sure it's worth it- just makes it a bit harder to jump on.

@Dane

I'm a serious hobbyist that struggled to justify one GRS let alone two. But, the jury is still out until the TPG's are out. Tom says he was able to get reliable long rips with one of each. I haven't had a chance to try my GRS out with my 118" rail yet but the more I think about it just in case rails are not perfectly straight could we shim one side of the GRS rail contact to calibrate it? Maybe tape on the rail since the GRS will be used on several tracks?

Oldwood · « **Reply #211 on:** February 13, 2019, 02:17 PM »

Quote from: Mike Goetzke on February 13, 2019, 10:52 AM

Quote from: Dane on February 13, 2019, 10:37 AM
That makes sense, I suppose. And I certainly understand the multifunctionalty of having the squares and the guides. Still, for someone starting from zero, like I am, it makes this an almost 600.00 proposition. I am sure it's worth it- just makes it a bit harder to jump on.

@Dane

I'm a serious hobbyist that struggled to justify one GRS let alone two. But, the jury is still out until the TPG's are out. Tom says he was able to get reliable long rips with one of each. I haven't had a chance to try my GRS out with my 118" rail yet but the more I think about it just in case rails are not perfectly straight could we shim one side of the GRS rail contact to calibrate it? Maybe tape on the rail since the GRS will be used on several tracks?

I think for "reliable repeatable results" on 8 foot rips you need 2 arms. Even if the square is 100% accurate the sheet stock rarely is and if you have a small bump on the plywood where you reference your square you will be out even more. The kit does get a little pricey when you add 2 squares to the price of the parallel guides but it looks like it is very well made.

Just my opinion FWIW

Sanderxpander · « **Reply #212 on:** February 13, 2019, 03:52 PM »

At the same time for 600 bucks you can buy a pretty decent job site tablesaw which gives you very accurate repeatable rip cuts.

ChuckM · « **Reply #213 on:** February 13, 2019, 05:59 PM »

Quote from: Sanderxpander on February 13, 2019, 03:52 PM

At the same time for 600 bucks you can buy a pretty decent job site tablesaw which gives you very accurate repeatable rip cuts.

And much more!

Feeling good that not too long ago I sold my TS75 and track.

Koamolly · « **Reply #214 on:** February 19, 2019, 02:21 PM »

So I called TSO today and they are saying nothing is coming out out now until mid March.

dlu · « **Reply #215 on:** February 19, 2019, 03:56 PM »

Quote from: Sanderxpander on February 13, 2019, 03:52 PM

At the same time for 600 bucks you can buy a pretty decent job site tablesaw which gives you very accurate repeatable rip cuts.

However…

A table saw eats up a lot more space, and
A $600 saw is not going to be an easy tool to use for breaking down sheet goods.

So it really depends on the space you have and the work you are planning to do.

dr.r.lam · « **Reply #216 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:12 AM »

Quote from: Koamolly on February 19, 2019, 02:21 PM

mid March.

I was just wondering if there were any updates too!

Did you get the impression that this was when they would release the pre-order? Or if that could be delivery for the pre-orders?

Sanderxpander · « **Reply #217 on:** February 20, 2019, 02:29 PM »

Quote from: dlu on February 19, 2019, 03:56 PM

Quote from: Sanderxpander on February 13, 2019, 03:52 PM
At the same time for 600 bucks you can buy a pretty decent job site tablesaw which gives you very accurate repeatable rip cuts.

However…

A table saw eats up a lot more space, and
A $600 saw is not going to be an easy tool to use for breaking down sheet goods.

So it really depends on the space you have and the work you are planning to do.

Fair enough, and no disrespect to the quality of TSO product, I own and love their GRS-16. Just pointing out that we're talking about a 600 dollar set of accessories for a tool that itself costs at least another 600/700 dollars (with the necessary rail). If you spent that accessory money on a tablesaw you'd get a whole new set of possibilities plus a lot of what you can do with that set. P

Koamolly · « **Reply #218 on:** February 20, 2019, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: dr.r.lam on February 20, 2019, 05:12 AM

Quote from: Koamolly on February 19, 2019, 02:21 PM
mid March.

I was just wondering if there were any updates too!

Did you get the impression that this was when they would release the pre-order? Or if that could be delivery for the pre-orders?

The person I spoke with didn’t think anything would be available before mid March. I said I was following discussion here, thinking some portion was coming out now. He didn’t think so. Maybe Hans can give an update regarding what will be available when.

jasen · « **Reply #219 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:06 PM »

If you look on their Web page it tells you when available - most products May 1. If its earlier it will be a bonus. I can see a lot of interest out there as everyone is eagerly waiting

I know you can choose either Left or Right set (I have PE vcersion), curious as to what/why - Left or Right? Purely an aesthetic thing or the way they work? Any advantages / disadvantages?

dlu · « **Reply #220 on:** February 20, 2019, 10:58 PM »

Quote from: jasen on February 20, 2019, 05:06 PM

I know you can choose either Left or Right set (I have PE vcersion), curious as to what/why - Left or Right? Purely an aesthetic thing or the way they work? Any advantages / disadvantages?

Left is for the near end of the rail, right is for the far end.

tjbnwi · « **Reply #221 on:** February 20, 2019, 11:18 PM »

Left and right with narrow rip rod setup.

Tom

Mike Goetzke · « **Reply #222 on:** February 20, 2019, 11:40 PM »

Quote from: tjbnwi on February 20, 2019, 11:18 PM

Left and right with narrow rip rod setup.

Tom

@tjbnwi do the rods need to be calibrated?

tjbnwi · « **Reply #223 on:** February 20, 2019, 11:43 PM »

Quote from: Mike Goetzke on February 20, 2019, 11:40 PM

Quote from: tjbnwi on February 20, 2019, 11:18 PM
Left and right with narrow rip rod setup.

Tom
@tjbnwi do the rods need to be calibrated?

Yes, that is why I highly recommend two sets of stops if you're going to be ripping a lot of narrow and "normal" sizes. Calibrate each once.

Tom

dr.r.lam · « **Reply #224 on:** February 21, 2019, 07:02 PM »

Quote from: tjbnwi on February 20, 2019, 11:43 PM

Yes, that is why I highly recommend two sets of stops if you're going to be ripping a lot of narrow and "normal" sizes. Calibrate each once.

Tom

Thanks Tom (also for the picture).
Does that mean the narrow stock rods connect to the stop directly?

Are you recommending a separate set of T-tracks for a narrow-stock rod/stop combo?
Or just an additional narrow-stock rod/stop combo to be used with the same T-track as a normal stop?

Best regards,

tjbnwi · « **Reply #225 on:** February 21, 2019, 07:17 PM »

Quote from: dr.r.lam on February 21, 2019, 07:02 PM

Quote from: tjbnwi on February 20, 2019, 11:43 PM

Yes, that is why I highly recommend two sets of stops if you're going to be ripping a lot of narrow and "normal" sizes. Calibrate each once.

Tom

Thanks Tom (also for the picture).
Does that mean the narrow stock rods connect to the stop directly?

Are you recommending a separate set of T-tracks for a narrow-stock rod/stop combo?
Or just an additional narrow-stock rod/stop combo to be used with the same T-track as a normal stop?

Best regards,

If you’re doing a lot of narrow rips get the entire setup. If it’s only once in awhile get the rods and another set of stops.

Tom

dr.r.lam · « **Reply #226 on:** February 21, 2019, 07:29 PM »

Quote from: tjbnwi on February 21, 2019, 07:17 PM

If you’re doing a lot of narrow rips get the entire setup. If it’s only once in awhile get the rods and another set of stops.

Tom

Thank you Tom.

TSO Products · « **Reply #227 on:** February 21, 2019, 07:59 PM »

All: your interest and patience is appreciated - thank you

Our patience is even more put to the test as we work to complete the remaining tasks before shipments can begin

We do think the mid-march time frame represents the best estimate for shipment launch. Last week we completed another production run of T-track extrusion - literally more than a mile (!) long. Now cutting, de-burring, machining, anodizing and laser engraving before assembling and kitting.

We have completed our packaging multi-corner drop tests in a lab environment. As I write this, we are road testing our packaging designs by shipping multiple actual products across the country and back using our regular parcel carrier, UPS. Barring unexpected test results,we will receive production packaging in time for mid-march shipment start.

Hans

TSO Products · « **Reply #228 on:** February 21, 2019, 08:02 PM »

see packaging pictures attached RE preceding post.
Hans

TSO Products · « **Reply #229 on:** February 21, 2019, 08:04 PM »

and the other packagng picture: TPG-50 set
(can't seem to get pictures attached first try)

Hans

rj_mccall · « **Reply #230 on:** February 22, 2019, 12:30 AM »

Quote from: TSO Products on February 21, 2019, 07:59 PM

All: your interest and patience is appreciated - thank you
Our patience is even more put to the test as we work to complete the remaining tasks before shipments can begin

We do think the mid-march time frame represents the best estimate for shipment launch. Last week we completed another production run of T-track extrusion - literally more than a mile (!) long. Now cutting, de-burring, machining, anodizing and laser engraving before assembling and kitting.

We have completed our packaging multi-corner drop tests in a lab environment. As I write this, we are road testing our packaging designs by shipping multiple actual products across the country and back using our regular parcel carrier, UPS. Barring unexpected test results,we will receive production packaging in time for mid-march shipment start.

Hans

To be clear, when you say you will start shipping, you mean take orders and start shipping?? I assume up to now we have not been able to make any orders for the early adopter sets??

tjbnwi · « **Reply #231 on:** February 24, 2019, 09:31 PM »

Due it a material change I had to trim some island legs that are too large for the Kapex.

I had a few options;

table saw, was not able to slide the legs smoothy along the table

Laguna sliding table saw, does not cut square

TS 75 CMS insert, use sliding table, works but means a change over for step 2

TSO PG's are what I went with.

Cuts;

Step 2;

Tom

lerabotperche · « **Reply #232 on:** February 25, 2019, 11:55 AM »

mid march.... almost 3 more weeks ? AAAAHHHHHH

blaszcsj · « **Reply #233 on:** February 25, 2019, 12:34 PM »

Quote from: lerabotperche on February 25, 2019, 11:55 AM

mid march.... almost 3 more weeks ? AAAAHHHHHH

This wait feels like the ground day movie...however, I have found out I love @TSO Products and the movie is not over yet!

TSO_Products · « **Reply #234 on:** February 25, 2019, 02:13 PM »

Quote from: rj_mccall on February 22, 2019, 12:30 AM

Quote from: TSO Products on February 21, 2019, 07:59 PM
All: your interest and patience is appreciated - thank you
Our patience is even more put to the test as we work to complete the remaining tasks before shipments can begin

We do think the mid-march time frame represents the best estimate for shipment launch. Last week we completed another production run of T-track extrusion - literally more than a mile (!) long. Now cutting, de-burring, machining, anodizing and laser engraving before assembling and kitting.

We have completed our packaging multi-corner drop tests in a lab environment. As I write this, we are road testing our packaging designs by shipping multiple actual products across the country and back using our regular parcel carrier, UPS. Barring unexpected test results,we will receive production packaging in time for mid-march shipment start.

Hans

To be clear, when you say you will start shipping, you mean take orders and start shipping?? I assume up to now we have not been able to make any orders for the early adopter sets??

@rj_mccall - you are correct. we're waiting for updated packaging to be delivered. Looks like there is going to be very little time difference in availability - between the EARLY ADOPTER plan and final production - we tried . . .

Hans

Hans

mungk · « **Reply #235 on:** February 26, 2019, 07:49 PM »

How does one get in on the early adopter plan or did i miss it?

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #236 on:** February 26, 2019, 07:56 PM »

Just write Hans, but it may not be what you think. “Early adopter” refers to the earliest buyers of the GRS before the 6mm holes were added that will allow attachment of the new rails. TSO wanted to send out a jig (in advance of the rails being ready) to make it easy for the early adopters to add those holes but it looks like everything will happen more or less at the same time.

Mario Turcot · « **Reply #237 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:32 PM »

@TSO Products Hans I'm really excited about your parallel guide. To use the guide for ripping will I need two GRS-16?

@tjbnwi Tom please more of those videos

by the way you need a helper to turn your pieces /raise hand

TSO_Products · « **Reply #238 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:51 PM »

Quote from: Mario Turcot on February 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

@TSO Products Hans I'm really excited about your parallel guide. To use the guide for ripping will I need two GRS-16?

@tjbnwi Tom please more of those videos by the way you need a helper to turn your pieces /raise hand

@Mario - we also have a Guide Rail Adapter in the works as an alternative to using one or two GRS-16's. One adapter is designed to handle the left or right T-track set as needed. If you need two T-tracks for a series of cuts then you will need two Adapters or a combination GRS-16 and one Adapter.
It will be available as a single item for customers who want to use it with just one GRS-16. We don't have a price yet but it will obviously quite a bit less than another GRS-16 but, unlike the GRS-16, can only perform one function

Hans

tjbnwi · « **Reply #239 on:** February 27, 2019, 09:38 PM »

Quote from: Mario Turcot on February 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

@TSO Products Hans I'm really excited about your parallel guide. To use the guide for ripping will I need two GRS-16?

@tjbnwi Tom please more of those videos by the way you need a helper to turn your pieces /raise hand

Working on it. Life keeps getting in the way.

Tom