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« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2019, 12:28 PM »
Subject: TSO INSIDER email delivery

WE have been in touch with MailChimp, our distribution provider for the TSO INSIDER.

We have taken one step TSO can undertake: we changed our DNS to show the TSO INSIDER coming from TSOProducts.com rather than MailChimp. This was done to reduce the likelihood that SPAM filters consider MailChimp as an unwanted sender.

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WE will continue to monitor our email distribution. We expect that this is one more area we need to continue to devote time and resources to. WE don't expect any quick and easy solutions but we'll stay after it for both our beenfit.
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« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2019, 12:41 PM »
Sooo... If the preorders are only available through your own website, does that mean you'll ship internationally? Or is that deal only for US residents?

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« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2019, 10:23 PM »
Sooo... If the preorders are only available through your own website, does that mean you'll ship internationally? Or is that deal only for US residents?

@Sanderxpander - we will ship on-line orders internationally when we have production on the shelf ready-to ship. At the moment we are not set up to process "pre-orders" - just taking names for notification when product is in stock.

The Early Adopter offer applies to a limited amount of finished product  we will be able to ship this month. This short program will be replaced in late March by a full-line introductory offer covering the whole menu of TPG System elements.

The full TPG line will also be available through our international dealers.

The lively interest spurs us on - really does [smile]

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« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2019, 10:39 PM »
I was wondering if I could get more clarification on the offerings that are on the website. I’ve tried reading this thread and website but still can’t figure it out.

Can you explain the difference between:
TPG 30 (SKU:61-353) and TPG 20 & 30 Left/Right Hand Parallel Guide (SKU:61-352 & 61-351)

Also what’s the difference between:
TPG 30 R (SKU:61-350) and TPG 20 & 30 Right Hand Parallel  Guide (SKU:61-351) other than the 20 in track and narrow stock rod.

My intention is to get the entire set, both sides (20, 30, and 50 when available). Would I just need to purchase the TPG 30 (SKU:61-353) first and then purchase the 20 in and 50 in tracks separate?

Sorry I tried reading all the descriptions but still came out confused... [blink]

Thanks!

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« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2019, 11:43 PM »
@manuc - if you were to purchase "the entire set, both sides (20, 30, and 50 when available)" the total would be $ 324.85 introductory pricing.
Give us a few days to resolve the image difficulties on our website and it will become a lot easier- thank for bearing with us at the moment.

Hans
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« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2019, 11:57 PM »
Hans,

Looking at the pictures on the TSO web site, I was thinking that the TSO parallel guide could also be used with the LR32 system.   An offset would have to be used when setting the scales.   Unlike the Festool guide rails, the TSO ones could be left in place making it easier to drill holes in multiple boards without having to reset the guide rails.

Is that something you have looked into?

Thanks,
Bob

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« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2019, 08:31 AM »
Hans,

Looking at the pictures on the TSO web site, I was thinking that the TSO parallel guide could also be used with the LR32 system.   An offset would have to be used when setting the scales.   Unlike the Festool guide rails, the TSO ones could be left in place making it easier to drill holes in multiple boards without having to reset the guide rails.

Is that something you have looked into?

Thanks,
Bob

I regularly do this with my precision dogs' parallel system... I think it would be a great idea to have different length arms as part of a set. I have one set of 24" arms and am regularly wishing for 12 or 18" or 36" for all the different things I do....
CT 26E, RO125, sys-mft, sys-toolbox, a bunch of 30 year old tools I'm looking to replace.

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« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2019, 11:55 AM »
@manuc - if you were to purchase "the entire set, both sides (20, 30, and 50 when available)" the total would be $ 324.85 introductory pricing.
Give us a few days to resolve the image difficulties on our website and it will become a lot easier- thank for bearing with us at the moment.

Hans

Thanks Hans. Unfortunately I purchased the Insta RailSquare before I new TSO made one. Now I’ll have to try and sell that and purchase your set. Look forward to seeing all the images.

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« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2019, 04:52 PM »
Hans,

Looking at the pictures on the TSO web site, I was thinking that the TSO parallel guide could also be used with the LR32 system.   An offset would have to be used when setting the scales.   Unlike the Festool guide rails, the TSO ones could be left in place making it easier to drill holes in multiple boards without having to reset the guide rails.

Is that something you have looked into?

Thanks,
Bob

I regularly do this with my precision dogs' parallel system... I think it would be a great idea to have different length arms as part of a set. I have one set of 24" arms and am regularly wishing for 12 or 18" or 36" for all the different things I do....

@rmhinden @Farming-Sawyer @manuc  YES, the use of the LR-32 is envisioned actually beginning just with the GRS-16 for dado-ing. Now we need someone to show how they;ll use it with the LR-32 for shelf pin hole setting.
Thanks for bringing that up. Maybe we can persuade @Poplar Shop to come out of YouTube retirement and show how [smile]

Hans

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« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2019, 05:02 PM »
Pricing details for the complete category available now for all configurations:
https://tsoproducts.com/tpg-parallel-guide-system/

Complete TPG-50 System description, picture and price :
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/tpg-50-parallel-guide/

thanks for all the questions and suggestions which help steer us to get the required information into a usable format. There are undoubtedly still some unanswered questions as we work to update the product pages for the individual a-la-carte elements purchased separately.

More to come.
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« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2019, 05:02 PM »
@TSO Products you might want to reach out to @Brice Burrell for help.  He came up with some really cool ideas with the Festool parallel guides years ago.

Peter

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« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2019, 05:57 PM »
Pricing details for the complete category available now for all configurations:
https://tsoproducts.com/tpg-parallel-guide-system/

More to come.
Hans and Eric

So we have the Left OR Right TPG-30 priced at $130, and the combination Left And Right TPG-30 and 50 priced at $325.

I can't work out why the combination is $65 more than 2x the individual left and right sets. What is included as extras?

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« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2019, 06:18 PM »
Pricing details for the complete category available now for all configurations:
https://tsoproducts.com/tpg-parallel-guide-system/

More to come.
Hans and Eric

So we have the Left OR Right TPG-30 priced at $130, and the combination Left And Right TPG-30 and 50 priced at $325.

I can't work out why the combination is $65 more than 2x the individual left and right sets. What is included as extras?

Don't know.  Perhaps contacting them via email might get you answers you wish.

Peter

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« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2019, 06:28 PM »
Pricing details for the complete category available now for all configurations:
https://tsoproducts.com/tpg-parallel-guide-system/

More to come.
Hans and Eric

So we have the Left OR Right TPG-30 priced at $130, and the combination Left And Right TPG-30 and 50 priced at $325.

I can't work out why the combination is $65 more than 2x the individual left and right sets. What is included as extras?

@dr.r.lam - the difference is the inclusion of a pair of 50 inch T-tracks
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« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2019, 06:48 PM »
Hans,

I have to admit that I'm a little puzzled by the pricing also.

The TPG 30R (no 20" track or long stop) @ $129.95 - is this correct?

The TPG 20 & 30 L or R (with 20" track and long stop) @ $129.95

The TPG 30 L & R (with 20" track and long stop) @ $324.95  - would think that this would be around $260 (or 2X $129.95)

The TPG 50 (everything) @ $324.95 - this makes sense as the total of the $260 for both TPG 30's + $65 for the (2) 50" tracks


Tom

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« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2019, 10:32 PM »
@tomp  - @dr.l.lam  -no wonder you are puzzled. the a-la-carte pricing table somehow did not translate to the product category page.
We will figure out on Sunday why it doesn't show - and see we get it to go live. I'll post an update here after I have verified it's up live.

Hans

PS: just tried to attach the pricing table and it would not accept it - same problem with pictures lately - hmm
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« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2019, 11:18 PM »
Hans: your website is confusing. 

It appears the following are included:
TPG 20 & 30 R ($129.95) includes right hand 20 and 30 T-Tracks, 1 flip stop, a calibration rod and two attachment knobs.
TPG 20 & 30 L ($129.95) includes left hand 20 and 30 T-Tracks, 1 flip stop, a calibration rod and two attachment knobs.
TPG 30 Early Adopter ($129.95) includes right hand 30 track, 1 flip stop, a calibration rod and two attachment knobs.
TPG 30 ($324.95) includes right and left 20 and and 50 T-Tracks, 2 calibration rods and 4 attachment knobs.

It looks as if the Early Adopter purchaser will get the 20 T-Track in March/April which, at that time, gives you the TPG 30 R set.  I thought I saw that "early adopters" would pay $109.95 and would get a coupon for the 20 and calibration rod at a discounted price but I cannot, however, find where I previously saw this offer. 
I also do not understand why anyone would purchase the TPG 30 for $324.95 when the TPG 50 set provides all of the items included in the TPG 30 set plus the 50 track.

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« Reply #137 on: February 03, 2019, 07:45 AM »
@Pompeio  - did you see the price list attachment on REPLY # 135? - without that visibility it is confusing.
We're hard at work to fix these website issues.

Hans
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« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2019, 08:30 AM »
Hans
Thank you for the clarification as I missed the attachment.  I am looking forward to giving you some of my money!

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« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2019, 08:38 AM »
Hans,

Thanks for attaching the pricing - that clears up most of my confusion. 

I am still confused about what makes the early adopter set, sku #61-350, special?  How is this not identical to 61-351?

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« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2019, 10:18 AM »
@supimeister  #61-350 Is a limited time product.
It will be replaced by #61-351 which will cost $149.95.

But you’re right, it’s the same stuff.

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« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2019, 01:12 PM »
Hmmm, I'm not sure.  There seems to be more to the story than that. 
All of those items have introductory pricing.  And why have a different sku if both of those skus are identical in their offering and both are currently available to purchase?

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« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2019, 01:33 PM »
to all:
so as to not over-use the FOG as a communication channel, please note:

We will update and reconfigure our website in the coming days so as to present the product, options and pricing in a way that answers many of the questions being asked without a response on the FOG.

new general questions: please email us: info@tsoproducts.com so we can respond to them in an FAQ section we intend to add to our Product category pages.

Transaction and purchase related questions:  We will reply individually to emails, of course. Remember to add info@tsoproducts.com to your address book!

Lesson learned from this entire TPG "preview" posting:
next time we will wait to share new product information until we have a complete Website product page..

Our heartfelt thank you to all for your input and questions which enable us to do a better job in the future.

Hans and Eric

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« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2019, 01:43 PM »
I’m having trouble following the availability of the parallel guides.  I am on the notification email but have never received any emails.  I thought something was coming in February but I also see a March date.  We'll notify you when item is BACK in stock implies I missed February batch?  Not sure when what part at what price will be available.  I’ve been ready to buy the full package (whatever that is) or partial pieces as they become available.  I have a current project that would benefit from these guides if they become available soon.  I ordered and received the GRS16 and GRS16PE last week so I’m committed.  My understanding is there are no preorders or wait list and when items are in stock will be first come, first served with a notification system that seems a bit sketchy. 

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« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2019, 02:05 PM »

Snip.
We will update and reconfigure our website in the coming days so as to present the product, options and pricing in a way that answers many of the questions being asked without a response on the FOG.


Hans and Eric

That's the right way to fix a presentation problem.

Presenting product information, especially the complex kind involving multiple choices and prices, in a clear and logical manner is a technical skill to be learned and developed.

Here is a simple clarity test: After putting together the sales information that you think is clear to anyone who will read it, ask someone (a family member, a neighbor, etc.) who is NOT involved in the product or, even better, in any woodworking at all to go through the information. If he or she (as a layman) finds any parts that are not clear, work on improving those parts.

The reason why most owner's manuals are unreadable is that they are written, edited and reviewed by the same person(s) before they go to print. Everything written by an author is almost always clear to the author himself or herself!

Edit: Consider using a chart where too many options are difficult to explain clearly in text alone. E.g. http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72188&cat=1,41080,72156
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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2019, 03:00 PM »
One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!
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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2019, 03:19 PM »
One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

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« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2019, 03:33 PM »

Tom,

Thanks for this.  You answered my one question.

As A GRS16 owner it seems like a no brainer to buy.  Even though I own the Festool parallel guides.

Brian
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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2019, 03:44 PM »
One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

Then you rely on the square only to insure parallel cuts?
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« Reply #149 on: February 03, 2019, 05:01 PM »
One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

Tom am I correct what you said above regarding  two GRS's is when not using the TPG  and the use of the TPG only requires one GRS-16 (PE) ?

Tariq