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Offline Rick Christopherson

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Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« on: August 03, 2011, 04:09 AM »
Shortly after developing the first design of the Multi Position Guide Stop (MGS-20), I came up with the concept for a Self Centering Guide (SCG-10). I put off the design for a while, but finally decided to pursue it again in earnest not too long ago. I am ready to enter production and I would like to get some impressions on how much interest there would be in this model.

The main premise behind this model is that guide positions can be reset easily, quickly, and without tools in just a few seconds. Loosen the two thumbscrews, slide the stops to the desired position, and retighten the thumbscrews. The two sliding stops are coupled together so that they always remain centered about the mortising position. When you slide one stop, the other stop slides in the opposing direction.

The stops are infinitely adjustable from 3/4 inch to 5-3/8 inch. When a stop is not in use, it flips up, out of the way. The stop that is being used for mortise registration is then flipped into the down-position for use.



The positioning mechanism is based on a sliding dovetail system to keep the stops in-line during movement, yet providing a firm clamping action during operation. The components are milled from billet aluminum and anodized for long life and appearance. The stop arms are 1/4" thick for rigidity and strength, with detent positions controlled using stainless steel, micro ball plungers. The SCG guide mounts to the Domino Tenon Joiner using the existing threaded holes in the Domino's base without needing to modify your joiner in any way. The mounting thumbscrews are captivated so they do not get lost when the guide is not being used. The baseplate is powder coated for durability.

I wanted to keep the price the same for both models, but the machining is more complex on this model. The price will be $129, which is actually the same price as the MGS-30 version.

I would like to hear how many forum users might be interested in this model. I will be updating the website (www.dominoguide.com) when the guides are in production.

Thanks,
Rick Christopherson


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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 04:43 AM »
First, it's too early in the morning for me to think clearly.  This is when a video showing the new features/design benefits would be helpful.  [poke]

Second, MGS-30 ?  What's that one?

Third.  So this new one has a cable that runs around the front controlling the movement?

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 05:13 AM »
I'll take one.
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 05:31 AM »

Second, MGS-30 ?  What's that one?


Ken, the basic model of MGS guide is the MGS-20 with 2-pair of stops. The MGS-30 has 3-pair of stops. I believe you bought your guide from a dealer, and they do not typically make this same part number distinction because they normally sell the extra pair of stops (if ordered) separately.

Yes, there is a coated-steel coupling cable between the stop assemblies on the new version. This is what keeps the stops automatically centered about the tenon as they are repositioned.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 05:50 AM »
Rick,

Something else I thought about.  It does appear that it would be faster adjusting the spacing or positioning now, but would this design be slower to re-position for multiple spacings compared with the older version that has multiple stops?  I'm still trying to get a grasp on overall, how this would improve or speed up the process over the older design.

Thanks.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 06:09 AM »
Ken, This model wasn't intended to replace the previous model, but instead to be a companion to it. That was always the plan, but I just didn't develop this model sooner.

You are correct that when you have repeating, multiple stop positions, then the MGS guide is more appropriate and faster. This model is for when you want faster, on-the-fly adjustability of the positions. The original vision I had was for the MGS guide to be geared more toward the cabinetmaker, and the SCG guide more toward general use.

Edit: To answer your question, I captured another view of the guide.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 06:20 AM »
I'll take one.

I like your dedication Rob. Two years ago you missed being my first customer by only a couple hours. I'll make sure the first one goes to you this time.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 06:42 AM »
Hi Rick

Looks interesting, so when its fitted to the machine and you put the domino down does it rest on the two knobs?
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 06:48 AM »
Hi Rick

Looks interesting, so when its fitted to the machine and you put the domino down does it rest on the two knobs?

Yes. The two clamping knobs are high impact plastic (with a steel threaded insert of course) very similar to the knobs Festool uses to attach the auxiliary fence to Domino, except these are slightly larger for easier tightening.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 06:53 AM »
Hi Rick

Looks interesting, so when its fitted to the machine and you put the domino down does it rest on the two knobs?

Yes. The two clamping knobs are high impact plastic (with a steel threaded insert of course) very similar to the knobs Festool uses to attach the auxiliary fence to Domino, except these are slightly larger for easier tightening.


Rick +1 on a video of it in use.I would be interested in buying one 4sure.
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 09:25 AM »
might be interested. cant wait for a review or video
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 10:54 AM »
Very interested.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 12:51 PM »
I would like one

Offline Bob Marino

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2011, 01:22 PM »

 Rick,
 
  Nicely done! If you get them, I'll sell em'.  ;). I'm in.

 Bob
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 06:25 AM »
I'll take one.

I like your dedication Rob. Two years ago you missed being my first customer by only a couple hours. I'll make sure the first one goes to you this time.
Sweet! I can't wait to try it out.
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2011, 07:31 AM »
Rick:
If I was to buy one it would probably be the MGS-30, but this one does "look" a lot better.
I like the green anodized parts, should help with marketing it.
Tim

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2011, 11:45 AM »

Plus +2 for me on the video. As a purchase of your original MGS-20, I'd really like to see a visual of what this new one can do.


I don't have a video on how to use it yet because I haven't built one yet. That's the purpose of the feedback question. However, last night I did capture a screen video out of SolidWorks that shows how the components of the guide interact. (The light-green piece in this view is a representation of the base of the Domino. This is seen from the underside of Domino.)


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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2011, 01:01 PM »
Rick ,
Something I would be interested in.
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 03:29 PM »
I, too, would be interested in one.  Looks like I need to pick up one of the original ones, too.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 07:13 AM »
 [tongue] Awesome ... make one for me, i'm in.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 08:04 AM »
Hi Rick

Looks interesting, so when its fitted to the machine and you put the domino down does it rest on the two knobs?


So is there a chance of unintentionally altering the settings as you would be putting the machine down on the knobs that control the paddles?
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 09:46 AM »
I'm game for this one, too. 

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 10:36 AM »
This one looks great and i will be looking forward to having a go at it when its available downunder.
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 07:36 PM »
I will take one.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2011, 11:10 PM »
Cool design.  Sign me up Rick!
I like it better than your original design for its simplicity.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2011, 10:41 PM »
I'll one as well.  Either through you or Bob.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2011, 02:34 PM »
Thanks for all the feedback.

I don't recall if I mentioned it in this thread or not, but I have entered production on the SCG-10 components a few weeks ago. I just got back from a quick visit to the main machine shop that is handling the machined aluminum components. The Dog Arms and Dovetail Bases are complete (but not anodized yet), and look really great. The Dovetail Saddles should be completed in a couple of days and then everything goes out for anodizing.

As soon as I have all the parts in-hand and make sure there is no re-work necessary, I will notify those woodworkers that have asked about the guides, and update the website for placing orders. Should be soon, now.

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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2011, 04:51 AM »
Timing was pretty good today. The baseplates came back from powder coating late yesterday, and while I was standing there at the sheetmetal shop picking them up, the machine shop called to say the aluminum just arrived back from anodizing. Perfect timing! So I swung by the machine shop on my way home from the sheetmetal fabricator.

I still need a few days of testing and planning before I am ready to ramp up into full production, but I did at least assemble a prototype tonight. I'm a little tired tonight, so this isn't the greatest photograph, but I did at least get it installed on a Domino machine.

More information to come.




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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2011, 06:56 AM »
Rick see any value in an extra wide  version ?
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Re: Looking for Feedback on New Model Guide Stop for Domino
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2011, 10:46 AM »
Rick,

These look great! I'd definitely be in for one, probably through Bob if he's getting them.

Tom