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Offline Peter Parfitt

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Hi Everyone

When the Parf Guide System was first introduced I thought that a fence would be a good addition to the line-up. It has taken a while as we were developing other products in the Parf family first.

The video is below. Axminster can ship world wide and get it to you fairly fast.



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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2020, 07:13 AM »
I have the mk1 Parf guide. Any compatibility issues with the new fence?

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2020, 08:22 AM »
Thank you, Peter. Already ordered one.

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2020, 08:59 AM »
Thank you, Peter. Already ordered one.

Only one? You must not have watched the whole video.  [big grin]

(Bummer - I went to Axminster and notice they now charge sales tax!)

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2020, 09:27 AM »
@Peter Parfitt

Using the last row of holes on an MFT/3 what would the crosscut capacity be with your Parf Fence design?
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2020, 09:34 AM »
I have the mk1 Parf guide. Any compatibility issues with the new fence?

None at all.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2020, 09:47 AM »
@Peter Parfitt

Using the last row of holes on an MFT/3 what would the crosscut capacity be with your Parf Fence design?

The introduction of the fence only reduces the cutting capacity, using bench dogs, by 10 mm. The worst case  (it does depend on stock thickness) that capacity goes from approximately 510 mm to 500 mm.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2020, 09:59 AM »
Thank you, Peter. Already ordered one.

Only one? You must not have watched the whole video.  [big grin]

Thank you for that . . . the six year old interrupted me while watching the video.


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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2020, 02:11 PM »
Thank you, Peter. Already ordered one.

Only one? You must not have watched the whole video.  [big grin]

Thank you for that . . . the six year old interrupted me while watching the video.

Happened to me — was so stoked about it that halfway through the video I hopped over to the Ax website and ordered one. And felt stupid when I discovered after seeing the second half of the video that having a second fence would be really handy.
Oh well, I’ll remedy that mistake sooner than later.
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2020, 02:21 PM »
@Peter Parfitt

I have many of your designed products and this may be another purchase. I will probably buy one, and I can see the use of a second one.

However I wanted to ask it they will be offered in longer lengths?

I ask this as from the Axminster photos it shows it being used with a biscuit jointer (could also do same with domino) to aid cutting biscuit slots or dominos partially into a panel for the likes of shelves etc.

Being only 600mm long this makes this only useful for small panels when used in this situation.

I work on kitchen sized units and office desk kind on size hence panels are at least 600mm deep and then could do with fence being at least 800mm or even 1000mm long.
 

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2020, 02:56 PM »
Just ordered 2.
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2020, 03:00 PM »
@Peter Parfitt

I have many of your designed products and this may be another purchase. I will probably buy one, and I can see the use of a second one.

However I wanted to ask it they will be offered in longer lengths?

I ask this as from the Axminster photos it shows it being used with a biscuit jointer (could also do same with domino) to aid cutting biscuit slots or dominos partially into a panel for the likes of shelves etc.

Being only 600mm long this makes this only useful for small panels when used in this situation.

I work on kitchen sized units and office desk kind on size hence panels are at least 600mm deep and then could do with fence being at least 800mm or even 1000mm long.
+1 on longer and short versions.

I have my MFT almost done and I’ve been coming up with a design for the fence. This is really tempting but I would really like a 18” and 36” option.

I just brought a Woodpeckers parallel guide extension kit, which I was going tweak to do something similar.

I’m tempted to return it now....


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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2020, 04:43 PM »
The longer and shorter version requests are noted but I am not sure that anything can be done in the short term.

The problem with producing a smaller one is that it ends up almost the same cost to produce as the current one. The argument against  anything longer than the current one is that the array of holes on an MFT3 (not a Parf Guide System produced top) will not be accurate enough over a longer distance. Also, on a PGS produced top you might just as well use two (or more) of the current version as the array of holes is accurate enough to have two or more fences in a perfect straight line.

I will still mention this to Axminster.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2020, 05:29 PM »
@Peter Parfitt

I agree about cost and production time etc and also having stocks of possible various lengths.

A shorter one can easily be produced by one buying the 600mm and cutting it down and would be of little use to me personally. A longer one wouldn't cost much more in my opinion.

A longer one say 800mm would really have to be used on a top produced by the Parf guide system anyway.

I especially like the biscuiting / dominoing use for this, as my current method of producing a mdf spacer board and clamping on is wasteful and another step. Its just the capacity of 600mm length in this situation is limiting.

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2020, 06:16 PM »
Here is another money maker for you.  Make a spacer the same thickness as the fence that rides in the track on the underside so you do not need the wooden spacer block to level the saw track.

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2020, 11:23 PM »
Here is another money maker for you.  Make a spacer the same thickness as the fence that rides in the track on the underside so you do not need the wooden spacer block to level the saw track.
Wouldnt the thickness of said spacer need to match the thickness of the material being cut? And therefore wouldnt it just make more sense for us to "make" that ourselves with a bit of cut-off?
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2020, 10:26 AM »
Slick! Cool Product.

I ordered two of them!  I also ordered a pair of the Parf Super Dogs.  Those always seemed like a good idea but I couldn't see a use in my workflow.  With the fence they really make sense as I can maximize my cross cut capacity.
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2020, 11:43 AM »
Great idea. I ordered a pair as well.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2020, 12:11 PM »
The longer and shorter version requests are noted but I am not sure that anything can be done in the short term.

The problem with producing a smaller one is that it ends up almost the same cost to produce as the current one. The argument against  anything longer than the current one is that the array of holes on an MFT3 (not a Parf Guide System produced top) will not be accurate enough over a longer distance. Also, on a PGS produced top you might just as well use two (or more) of the current version as the array of holes is accurate enough to have two or more fences in a perfect straight line.

I will still mention this to Axminster.

Cheers.

Peter

Peter, are the holes on the MFT3 really that inaccurate over the length of the table so that a longer fence wouldn't fit properly? Just curious because I also thought a longer option would be nice.

With a longer version you could even hang part of the fence off the MFT3 so you can make repeatable crosscuts using the stop at longer lengths than the MFT3 allows.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2020, 01:40 PM »
Hi @edwarmr

The MFT3 is a great work bench but Festool have never made any claims about the accuracy of the holes. They did not need to as they assumed that the cross cutting would be done with the rather awkward rail on a hinge which everyone knows needs constant checking and adjustment.

When I created the original Veritas Parf Dogs it was quite a challenge (for Lee Valley) to get the right diameter for the dogs as the holes in the various MFT3s sold had such a range of hole sizes. It was that difficulty that made me realize that, just like Festool, one needed a "family" or "system" approach. I then came up with the Parf Guide System to create very accurate layouts of 20 mm holes and with that all of the other types of dogs and fixtures built to the same standard.

Many thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2020, 06:24 PM »
Hi @edwarmr

The MFT3 is a great work bench but Festool have never made any claims about the accuracy of the holes. They did not need to as they assumed that the cross cutting would be done with the rather awkward rail on a hinge which everyone knows needs constant checking and adjustment.

When I created the original Veritas Parf Dogs it was quite a challenge (for Lee Valley) to get the right diameter for the dogs as the holes in the various MFT3s sold had such a range of hole sizes. It was that difficulty that made me realize that, just like Festool, one needed a "family" or "system" approach. I then came up with the Parf Guide System to create very accurate layouts of 20 mm holes and with that all of the other types of dogs and fixtures built to the same standard.

Many thanks.

Peter

Thanks for the reply Peter :)
I watched your awesome video on the parf guide system mark II and that may be a future purchase of mine to make a more accurate top for my MFT/3.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2020, 04:48 AM »
@ Peter Parfitt

Hi Peter, I appreciate Festool MFT tops may not be spot on accurate in regard to the hole diameter and you & I have discussed this in the past.
I found this out when I purchased your Parf dogs when they were first released and they were a loose fit in my Festool MFT top.....

I have since had a full size 2400 x 1200 top made on a CNC machine and lent the CNC guy one of your Parf dogs to ensure the holes he cut were a nice snug fit!......I am more than happy with the result and all the other Festool dogs and clamping elements fit far better than in my original MFT.

Based on this, I would also like to see the option of a longer Parf Fence.

Also, regarding your Parf Guide Sticks, are you suggesting that using them to produce an MFT top is more accurate than Festools original top...??!!!

Regards, Tim.
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2020, 06:35 AM »
@ Peter Parfitt

Hi Peter, I appreciate Festool MFT tops may not be spot on accurate in regard to the hole diameter and you & I have discussed this in the past.
I found this out when I purchased your Parf dogs when they were first released and they were a loose fit in my Festool MFT top.....

I have since had a full size 2400 x 1200 top made on a CNC machine and lent the CNC guy one of your Parf dogs to ensure the holes he cut were a nice snug fit!......I am more than happy with the result and all the other Festool dogs and clamping elements fit far better than in my original MFT.

Based on this, I would also like to see the option of a longer Parf Fence.

Also, regarding your Parf Guide Sticks, are you suggesting that using them to produce an MFT top is more accurate than Festools original top...??!!!

Regards, Tim.

Hi Tim,

The suggestion about the larger top is nored.

The PGS produced top will use the special drill bit commissioned by Axminster. So, not only an accurate layout but also hole size.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2020, 03:06 AM »
@Peter Parfitt

I have many of your designed products and this may be another purchase. I will probably buy one, and I can see the use of a second one.

However I wanted to ask it they will be offered in longer lengths?

I ask this as from the Axminster photos it shows it being used with a biscuit jointer (could also do same with domino) to aid cutting biscuit slots or dominos partially into a panel for the likes of shelves etc.

Being only 600mm long this makes this only useful for small panels when used in this situation.

I work on kitchen sized units and office desk kind on size hence panels are at least 600mm deep and then could do with fence being at least 800mm or even 1000mm long.

Axminster are looking at this and I hope that they will see that there is sufficient interest to make some longer and some shorter ones. I will make everyone aware if we have success.

Cheers.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2020, 10:49 AM »
@peterparfitt

I never got round to buying one at time of launch as was really wanting two to be useful and two 600’s wouldn’t cover my needs.

Axminster have been out of stock on this for a number of weeks now and hope they do a production run of varying lengths. It can’t be that hard to produce and stocks can be kept low as it’s virtually all done in house.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2020, 01:58 PM »
@peterparfitt

I never got round to buying one at time of launch as was really wanting two to be useful and two 600’s wouldn’t cover my needs.

Axminster have been out of stock on this for a number of weeks now and hope they do a production run of varying lengths. It can’t be that hard to produce and stocks can be kept low as it’s virtually all done in house.

The demand for these new fences has been amazing and they are only just keeping up with the PGS and other Parf products. I understand that they have now opened a new workshop to cope with the demand and assume that they are recruiting the staff to operate the new machines.

It might all sound very exciting but they really do need to up their production capability.

Fingers crossed that things settle down soon.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2020, 12:59 PM »
Any update on this:

- Longer & shorter versions.
- When will parts be in stock.
- More importantly - like to hear users experience & likes/dislikes.

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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2020, 01:15 PM »
Not to derail this subject  but looks like Lee Valley has a similar (not the same) product that seems to be more versatile.  But maybe the fit is not as good.  Havent tried it so dont know.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/workbenches/benchtop-accessories/69837-veritas-planing-stop
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2020, 03:50 PM »
Likes: I bought two Parf Fences and have used them more than I expected. The dogs fit very snugly and with two fences, the 90 degree is perfect. Well worth the money.

Dislikes: The anodizing is not great. They should ask how a Woodpecker gets such great anodizing on their tools.
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2020, 05:19 PM »
Likes: I bought two Parf Fences and have used them more than I expected. The dogs fit very snugly and with two fences, the 90 degree is perfect. Well worth the money.

Dislikes: The anodizing is not great. They should ask how a Woodpecker gets such great anodizing on their tools.

That’s because Woodpecker does anodizing and UJK does anodising.

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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2020, 05:44 AM »
I just found this one. Can the mk2 drilling block be used as an off cut fence in a pinch? Will they line up?

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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2020, 07:16 AM »
Can the mk2 drilling block be used as an off cut fence in a pinch? Will they line up?
Yes. Yes.
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2020, 07:51 AM »
Sweet, I’m still considering 80/20 parts for my MFT style work bench but this looks very useful for me

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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2020, 10:16 AM »
It is easy to make your own fence, providing you have four dogs.


Take a piece of plywood or mdf. Drill one 20 mm hole in it. Use one dog and a clamp to fix onto your MFT/3. Drill a second 20 mm hole (from below, of course). Use both holes and dogs to align with the rail. Make a cut. Do the whole thing again with a second piece of plywood (or mdf).
Now you have two fences that will align perfectly on both sides of the rail.
(Placement of holes and size of ply needs figuring out - this is just a thought experiment…)
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2020, 08:51 AM »
Peter,

I have been checking status of this fence for a while now. Do you have any inside info as to when these fences will be made available again?

Thanks
Jack

@peterparfitt

I never got round to buying one at time of launch as was really wanting two to be useful and two 600’s wouldn’t cover my needs.

Axminster have been out of stock on this for a number of weeks now and hope they do a production run of varying lengths. It can’t be that hard to produce and stocks can be kept low as it’s virtually all done in house.

The demand for these new fences has been amazing and they are only just keeping up with the PGS and other Parf products. I understand that they have now opened a new workshop to cope with the demand and assume that they are recruiting the staff to operate the new machines.

It might all sound very exciting but they really do need to up their production capability.

Fingers crossed that things settle down soon.

Cheers.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2020, 10:25 AM »
Peter,

I have been checking status of this fence for a while now. Do you have any inside info as to when these fences will be made available again?

Thanks
Jack

Hi Jack

They are expected off the production line in the next couple of weeks and it is showing as "dispatch within 4 weeks" on the product page of the web site.

Peter

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2020, 09:07 PM »
Peter,

I thought I was going blind as there is nothing on the product stating dispatch in 4 weeks. Then I refreshed the page and caught a glimpse of the wording under the price then it disappeared. Apparently that dispatch in 4 weeks only apples to your side of the pond ;-)

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Peter,

I have been checking status of this fence for a while now. Do you have any inside info as to when these fences will be made available again?

Thanks
Jack

Hi Jack

They are expected off the production line in the next couple of weeks and it is showing as "dispatch within 4 weeks" on the product page of the web site.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2020, 06:22 AM »
Peter,

I thought I was going blind as there is nothing on the product stating dispatch in 4 weeks. Then I refreshed the page and caught a glimpse of the wording under the price then it disappeared. Apparently that dispatch in 4 weeks only apples to your side of the pond ;-)

Jack
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No, it is the same for everyone. I did give an explanation in my latest Workshop Notes video. Basically, Axminster have had to increase the size of their manufacturing capability  (yet again) due to the volume of orders for Parf kit. They did not want to subcontract work out and so there have been 2-3 months of disruption.

Things will improve very soon and I have been invited down to see the new facilities next week.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2020, 05:02 PM »
Peter, are there any deals in the works to bring this across the pond like some of your other tools, or will we Americans have to order internationally for the foreseeable future?

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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2020, 06:55 PM »
Peter, are there any deals in the works to bring this across the pond like some of your other tools, or will we Americans have to order internationally for the foreseeable future?
Axminster shipping is pretty reasonable and almost always faster than ground shipping. I have often found the price to be cheaper because the exchange rate fluctuates and you don’t pay tax....


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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2020, 07:20 PM »
+1 on Axminster shipping.  Two orders so far and very good prices and no more than 4 days total for either order to get here.  Not as happy with their customer service though, but will continue to order from them.

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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2020, 09:16 AM »
I woke up to an email from Axminster telling me the Parf Fence was now in stock.  Jumped out of bed and grabbed the laptop.  It let me put it in my basket but when I went to pay for it, it told me it was backordered, arggggg.  But, it did let me place the order, with the backordered part.  So who knows when or if I will get one.  Frustrating...

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2020, 11:47 AM »
I woke up to an email from Axminster telling me the Parf Fence was now in stock.  Jumped out of bed and grabbed the laptop.  It let me put it in my basket but when I went to pay for it, it told me it was backordered, arggggg.  But, it did let me place the order, with the backordered part.  So who knows when or if I will get one.  Frustrating...

Hi Rick,

I tried to call my contact at Axminster to check on this for you but got no reply. He does spend a lot of time between his desk and the shop floor where the kit is made. I am away on business for the next 2 days and will not be able to dig any deeper for you but you can message me and I will pick it up on Friday and try and help then.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2020, 11:56 AM »

Hi Rick,

I tried to call my contact at Axminster to check on this for you but got no reply. He does spend a lot of time between his desk and the shop floor where the kit is made. I am away on business for the next 2 days and will not be able to dig any deeper for you but you can message me and I will pick it up on Friday and try and help then.

Peter

Hi Peter.  Thank you for that.  I hope its just a web site issue.  I have seen those before.  Be safe on your business trip.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2020, 01:08 PM »
Hi Rick,

Many thanks.

My email address is on my profile page if you need to get in touch.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2020, 01:30 AM »
I was the same, saw the email, went to buy but they are on back order still....


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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2020, 02:17 AM »
I was the same, saw the email, went to buy but they are on back order still....


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Ditto what I said to Rick.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2020, 02:19 AM »
I was the same, saw the email, went to buy but they are on back order still....


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Ditto what I said to Rick.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2020, 03:45 AM »
@Rick Herrick and @Dusty.Tools

Just spoken to Axminster...

There are about 200 going into stock tomorrow. The last lot went into stock and then sold out within a week ! They are doing their very best to keep up.

I raised the issue of overseas customers being able to do a back order and they are looking at sorting that out. It is, so I am told, quite complicated but please don't ask me why.

I am going to be out of comms for the next 2 days.

Good luck guys.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2020, 08:48 AM »
Thanks Peter! I was able to place two on BO day before yesterday for US shipment. When I looked last night the BO option for the US is no longer an available.

Jack

@Rick Herrick and @Dusty.Tools

Just spoken to Axminster...

There are about 200 going into stock tomorrow. The last lot went into stock and then sold out within a week ! They are doing their very best to keep up.

I raised the issue of overseas customers being able to do a back order and they are looking at sorting that out. It is, so I am told, quite complicated but please don't ask me why.

I am going to be out of comms for the next 2 days.

Good luck guys.

Peter

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2020, 09:23 AM »
Hi Peter, thanks again for checking.  Hopefully my backorder order will come in.  Fingers crossed.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2020, 01:43 PM »
TSO is waiting for delivery availability of our Parf Fence stock to join the rest of the AXMINSTER TOOLS inventory we always carry in our Minnesota warehouse.

Our TSO INSIDER newsletter will announce the availability to all subscribers.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2020, 09:01 PM »
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I look forward to you carrying the Parf Fence. I was only able to order one when it first got released and have been unable to order another since then. Too bad you don't carry parf anchor dogs, since I just ordered 4 pairs, and might have an uncontrollable dog addiction.
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2020, 11:32 PM »
I got mine in from Axminster 2 days ago.  Finally a chance today to try it out.  Absolutely brilliant.  I do wish I had bought 2 of them though.  Need to figure out a nice way to put some measurement device together.  I don't think much of the stop that came with it but it will do until I come up with something else.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2020, 12:16 AM »
@Rick Herrick did you look at the bencdogs.co.uk offering on their new fence . Curious to know what you thought of them compared to the UJK fence
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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2020, 12:30 AM »
@Rick Herrick did you look at the bencdogs.co.uk offering on their new fence . Curious to know what you thought of them compared to the UJK fence
Hi Vijay.  If you are referring to the one in this video below, I just watched it this morning.  It did have some type of measuring assistance but overall, I thought it was a little, I don't know, hokey?  Don't mean to disparage it but way too many parts/pieces and fiddling with (it may just be over my head).  I put the UJK fence on my test table with some Super Parf Dogs in some offset holes and did a quick 5 cut test on a piece of 18"x18" 3/4 ply.  It was more than I could hope for and very little fuss.  Still trying to figure out the TDS-10 dog plates for repeatable cuts, but getting there..



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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2020, 02:54 AM »
I was finally able to order three today from Axminster :)


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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2020, 07:19 AM »
I was finally able to order three today from Axminster :)


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Since your previous post on 15th Axminster had a large consignment go into stock only to disappear within 2 days. They have just put another load into the warehouse with about 50% fulfilling back orders.

Axminster have now tripled the number of staff in their manufacturing workshops in order to keep up with the Parf range. I know that they have put a lot of social distancing measures in place throughout their HQ but am not sure how that affects manufacturing. I will inquire next week.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2020, 02:49 PM »
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Hi peter, I don’t suppose you know about a decision on a longer length?

I and others posted about this (some want shorter - that’s easy just cut one down)

I would buy two straight away but refuse to at moment. Obviously in this batch run they just did the same offering. So easy to setup for longer length.

600mm doesn’t even give a cut to produce say kitchen / office desk types panels which are in region of 600-800 long at least.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2020, 04:20 PM »
In order to make an accurate cut there is no need to have the full 800 mm of your stock against a fence. The 600 mm length is more than enough.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2020, 04:26 AM »
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I understand in terms of accuracy 600 is fine but the stop can’t be set on fence to suit larger panels. Would have to set a separate stop for longer panels, such as a home made one / the tso ones, or even the adjustable ujk stop. This would be the case for when doing a panel say 1500mm long as I wouldn’t  expect a fence to be produced that long.

I just think the 600 length has been made in relation for the mft size, doing small things. One that is at least 800 or 1000 opens up things for larger projects on same fence before one has to resort to other type of stop.

Bench dogs in Uk has a fence system with a flip type adjustable stop along with scale (so one can set more than one stop-extra one bought separately) however Ime suspect on the quality of the 3D printed stops, so am avoiding this system. Maybe they will improve on stops in future but at least they make them over 1000mm from memory -think there are some different sizes that offer.


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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2020, 10:32 AM »
The beauty of a top created with the Parf Guide System is that it is so accurate that you can use a pair of the Parf Fences on the same side and setup exactly how you wish. The 600 mm length is a good compromise to allow MFT3 users and custom tracksaw users take advantage of the same system.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2020, 01:33 PM »

Bench dogs in Uk has a fence system with a flip type adjustable stop along with scale (so one can set more than one stop-extra one bought separately) however Ime suspect on the quality of the 3D printed stops, so am avoiding this system. Maybe they will improve on stops in future but at least they make them over 1000mm from memory -think there are some different sizes that offer.



You can use the fence dogs from Bench dogs on standard 20 x 40 aluminium extrusions so you can make whatever length fence you want, works out very reasonable, that is the route I am going down.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2020, 03:13 AM »
I now will assume a longer one won’t be made, and will disregard this system.

600 is a poor choice of length (just to keep within mft size limits)

It’s also rather expensive for what it is, but I can see past that, and I know the quality would be spot on. Hence would pay the price anyway.

Will start to look my own alternative, and as mentioned maybe use some of benchdogs parts and an extrusion. Need to look into stops for this.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2020, 10:26 AM »
I now will assume a longer one won’t be made, and will disregard this system.

600 is a poor choice of length (just to keep within mft size limits)

It’s also rather expensive for what it is, but I can see past that, and I know the quality would be spot on. Hence would pay the price anyway.

Will start to look my own alternative, and as mentioned maybe use some of benchdogs parts and an extrusion. Need to look into stops for this.

It is so easy to tell someone who takes the initiative to design, implement and bring to market at a price that works financially. It is even easier in forums like this one. The question is what have done in terms of bringing something to market. I'll guess that it is nothing.

Peter, thanks for doing what you do. I don't have any of your product, but fully appreciate the time and energy required to do so.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2020, 01:58 PM »


It is so easy to tell someone who takes the initiative to design, implement and bring to market at a price that works financially. It is even easier in forums like this one. The question is what have done in terms of bringing something to market. I'll guess that it is nothing.

Peter, thanks for doing what you do. I don't have any of your product, but fully appreciate the time and energy required to do so.
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I have supported peter from the very first veritas made parf dogs, then the very first parf guide stem and then the parf dogs, got virtually everything inc some ujk stuff which works alongside. I’ve also met peter at north of England show.

I just think this is lacking as it’s simply made to suit the mft size more and so easy to offer more size options. As much as I want to go with system, I can’t make the length work for me  for the panel sizes I tend to cut.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2020, 02:23 PM »


It is so easy to tell someone who takes the initiative to design, implement and bring to market at a price that works financially. It is even easier in forums like this one. The question is what have done in terms of bringing something to market. I'll guess that it is nothing.

Peter, thanks for doing what you do. I don't have any of your product, but fully appreciate the time and energy required to do so.

I have supported peter from the very first veritas made parf dogs, then the very first parf guide stem and then the parf dogs, got virtually everything inc some ujk stuff which works alongside. I’ve also met peter at north of England show.

I just think this is lacking as it’s simply made to suit the mft size more and so easy to offer more size options. As much as I want to go with system, I can’t make the length work for me  for the panel sizes I tend to cut.
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Axminster are aware of the requests for longer and shorter versions but they are struggling to keep up with the demand for the current size. If anything new is agreed I will let you know ahead of product launch.

Cheers - fingers crossed that Harrogate will happen this year but it is not looking hopeful.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2020, 06:56 PM »
I spent a lot of time with my new fence today.  All of my holes were created with the MKII system.  But I am wondering if maybe the holes used to secure this fence should NOT be chamfered?  It worked OK but it was not rock solid using the chamfered holes.  I earlier realized I needed to chamfer the holes for the Super Parf Dogs but starting to think you have to think it through on which holes get chamfered, and which ones don't. 

I am going to make a test tomorrow with a few non-chamfered holes and see if it gets a little more solid feeling.  It would be nice too, if the stop had a different mechanism to tighten it.  As it is you only have 180 degree of movement.  Be nice if the mechanism worked on top instead of on the side of the fence.  I like it and have already ordered a second one, just hope they look at improvements along the way.

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2020, 09:38 PM »
Rick,
the chamfer should have zero effect on the snug fit of the dogs inserts through the Parf Fence. 
there is far too much contact in the 20mm bore to allow even a generous chamfer to have any effect on the dog-to-hole fit.

What method did you use for boring the 20mm holes? Did you use the Parf Guide 's 20mm cutter with a drill or some other method?

What other dogs do you have to compare their fit?

Hans

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Re: Introducing the UJK Parf Fence - a must for MFT3 or custom benches
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2020, 08:54 AM »
Yes, I did use the Parf Guide system, MKII and did use the 20mm cutter provided.  I have Veritas long and short dogs, Parf Super Dogs (and other ones that came with the MKII).  And the dogs that came with the fence itself.  Just for kicks I pulled out the PTR-18, which I used initially as one step to verify my test table.  Moving it all around the layout to make sure I didn't have any spacing issues.  Using any of my dogs, the PTR-18 is more snug.  I can hear it click when I try to shake it.  But on the Parf Fence I can hear the click but also see the slightest movement.  I have not tested the Super Parf Dogs yet on this fence but as I said earlier, not seeing a performance issue yet so not going to lose sleep over it.

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I was delighted to receive my parf fence from Axminster.

I as disappointed that it wouldn’t fit on my MFT/3.  No matter which holes I used on the fence, and no matter where I tried to use it on the MFT, the holes were very slightly misaligned, and I couldn’t install both dogs.

My MFT is about 3 years old and in great shape.

So beware that the Parf fence may not work on an MFT/3.


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I have the same issue with the second Parf dog not going in on the MFT/3. I sent them an email. A possible solution is to machine the lower half of one of the Parf dogs  a little smaller without introducing any slope. 

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I was delighted to receive my parf fence from Axminster.

I as disappointed that it wouldn’t fit on my MFT/3.  No matter which holes I used on the fence, and no matter where I tried to use it on the MFT, the holes were very slightly misaligned, and I couldn’t install both dogs.

My MFT is about 3 years old and in great shape.

So beware that the Parf fence may not work on an MFT/3.

Festool do not guarantee the accuracy of the layout of their 20 mm holes which is why the Parf Guide System was created to provide a common standard for dog hole positioning.

Peter

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Clearly some confusion here.
It’s often cited that Festool’s primary intention for the hole pattern of the MFT3 top is hold dowm, clamping, assembly etc. Yet the 96mm spacing adopted implies adherence to (or, at least, support for) the 32mm system… but the spacing of the holes would surely only be relevant if they were intended for accurate spacing or cutting of components - otherwise, why bother?

However…
the title of this thread includes the phrase “ - a must for MFT3 or custom benches”.
Doesn’t MFT3 imply the Festool product? Why is it a must if it isn’t guaranteed to fit?
Just asking…

Having said that, I wouldn’t mind getting one for my UJK Valchromat top!

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MFT/3 owners note -- Parf fence may not work on Festool tops
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2020, 03:48 AM »
I was delighted to receive my parf fence from Axminster.

I as disappointed that it wouldn’t fit on my MFT/3.  No matter which holes I used on the fence, and no matter where I tried to use it on the MFT, the holes were very slightly misaligned, and I couldn’t install both dogs.

My MFT is about 3 years old and in great shape.

So beware that the Parf fence may not work on an MFT/3.

Festool do not guarantee the accuracy of the layout of their 20 mm holes which is why the Parf Guide System was created to provide a common standard for dog hole positioning.

Peter

I think that could have been made clearer in the Axminster website copy.

And your video is not clear on the potential incompatibility either.  Starting at 1:43, you say:  "...and on [the parf fence] are a series of holes which match the 96mm centers that we have with our custom work bench or the Festool MFT/3"



I suspect you may not have been aware of the potential incompatibility at the time you published the video.

But none of this should take away from the design and manufacture of the Parf fence;  it is a super design and it is very nicely executed.  The way the dogs sit flush with the top is a great idea, and I thought the clamp stop was an well executed as well.  If it had fit I would have gladly bought a second one as well.

And many on this board do have tops made with the Parf guide system and it will be useful to them. 

BUT -- many of us are MFT users like me, and I think the potential incompatibility should be very clearly identified;  hence my post.


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Hi Tom

Many thanks for that. I think that having been producing my own tops for my MFT3 for so long now using the Parf Guide System I sometimes miss the reminder about the original Festool tops.

Peter

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Look back at Post #12 for additional information.

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Yeah I assumed the Festool MFT/3 top was cut to the 32mm system. 

I should have read it as “it won’t fit anything unless you buy our Parf Guide system”. Which I planned on doing eventually once I needed to replace my top. I bought two of the Parf fences and now in order to use it I’ll either need to modify the dog or file down the hole on the top for the second Parf...
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Peter, are there any deals in the works to bring this across the pond like some of your other tools, or will we Americans have to order internationally for the foreseeable future?
Axminster shipping is pretty reasonable and almost always faster than ground shipping. I have often found the price to be cheaper because the exchange rate fluctuates and you don’t pay tax....


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Seems Axminster is now charging USA sales tax (I'm in Illinois). Anyone else notice this?

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I do like some of the UJK tools Axminster make. Are they a member here like other retailers?
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I took delivery of two Part fences a couple of weeks ago. Had to wait a while so I guess its was new manufacturing batch.

They work fine, (I have a custom made bench), but the quality of finish is appalling considering the price. Machining marks all over one side of each, and clearly not cleaned properly before anodising and dying. Others have had the same issues (look at the recent reviews).

Makes me think twice about buying UJK stuff again, especially when I hear about the drilling guide issues.

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The Parf fence does look useful. Does the issue of them not fitting the MFT hole layout happen often or is it a rarity based on not guaranteeing accuracy, but more often that not it is accurate?

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I took delivery of two Part fences a couple of weeks ago. Had to wait a while so I guess its was new manufacturing batch.

They work fine, (I have a custom made bench), but the quality of finish is appalling considering the price. Machining marks all over one side of each, and clearly not cleaned properly before anodising and dying. Others have had the same issues (look at the recent reviews).

Makes me think twice about buying UJK stuff again, especially when I hear about the drilling guide issues.
Reports such as this are actually what has been keeping me from ordering one. I have a problem paying higher prices for simple machined aluminum products that arent at say Woodpeckers finished quality.
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Seems Axminster is now charging USA sales tax (I'm in Illinois). Anyone else notice this?

I have placed 3 orders this year and I paid NC sales tax on each of them.

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The Parf fence does look useful. Does the issue of them not fitting the MFT hole layout happen often or is it a rarity based on not guaranteeing accuracy, but more often that not it is accurate?

Well, I can only say that I bought one after watching Peter's video, and it didn't fit my MFT.  (2 years old FWIW).

So that is close to $100 of my hard earned down the tube. 

Don't take the chance unless you can easily return it....


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I bought two Parf Fences thinking I wanted support on both the finished side and waste side of the cut, i.e. both sides of the track.  I made my top using my Park Guide (original version) a few years ago when it first came out.  I bought it from Axminster as well.  The fences don't fit my top either as others have stated.  I can get two of the dogs in at 96mm apart but no way can I spread them out more than that.  Also, I agree with the previous comment about the finish.  It is not a quality finish you wood expect for that price.  I will be writing Axminster to ask to return them.  Very disappointed.  Fingers crossed.

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I bought two Parf Fences thinking I wanted support on both the finished side and waste side of the cut, i.e. both sides of the track.  I made my top using my Park Guide (original version) a few years ago when it first came out.  I bought it from Axminster as well.  The fences don't fit my top either as others have stated.  I can get two of the dogs in at 96mm apart but no way can I spread them out more than that.  Also, I agree with the previous comment about the finish.  It is not a quality finish you wood expect for that price.  I will be writing Axminster to ask to return them.  Very disappointed.  Fingers crossed.

Just to be clear, you're saying even with a top you made using the Parf Guide system, the holes still don't align with the Parf fence?

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Just to be clear, you're saying even with a top you made using the Parf Guide system, the holes still don't align with the Parf fence?
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I have used the Parf Guide to make a number of work surfaces, and I now have two Parf fences. No problem at all with alignment.

The fences work OK, but cosmetically disappointing. Machining marks and poor anodising.

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I have used the Parf Guide to make a number of work surfaces, and I now have two Parf fences. No problem at all with alignment.

The fences work OK, but cosmetically disappointing. Machining marks and poor anodising.

I am the same as @AstroKeith .  I have made a full 4x8 table and a 4x3 table, both with the MKII system.  I have 2 of these fences and everything works ok.  I also agree with the cosmetics of these things not really being up to snuff though.

If the store was right down the street, I would have returned them but I think it would be too much hassle to return them from the USA.  I have also used standard tall dogs with the large shoulder on the bottom.  I have gotten the same results with those as I have with the fences.

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To answer Twelvebytwenty, I'll try to be more clear.  My Parf Guide top is 3/4 mdf that I made with my Parf Guide System I.  If I insert one flush mount dog that came with the Parf Fence in a hole at one end, I can't insert the second dog in the hole at the other end.  The tolerances don't match up and you can feel it with your finger.  As you progress from one hole to the next in sequence the difference becomes greater.  It is slight but over the course of six holes (7 in the mdf) it exagerates to the point that the dog has no chance of lining up.  Interestingly if I put a dog in each hole next to each other 96mm apart I can force them in both holes.  It doesn't matter which two, 1-2, 2-3, etc.  So the consistency of my drilled holes is there and the consistency of the fence holes are there but they ever-so-slightly don't match.  Hope that helps.

Offline AstroKeith

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To answer Twelvebytwenty, I'll try to be more clear.  My Parf Guide top is 3/4 mdf that I made with my Parf Guide System I.  If I insert one flush mount dog that came with the Parf Fence in a hole at one end, I can't insert the second dog in the hole at the other end.  The tolerances don't match up and you can feel it with your finger.  As you progress from one hole to the next in sequence the difference becomes greater.  It is slight but over the course of six holes (7 in the mdf) it exagerates to the point that the dog has no chance of lining up.  Interestingly if I put a dog in each hole next to each other 96mm apart I can force them in both holes.  It doesn't matter which two, 1-2, 2-3, etc.  So the consistency of my drilled holes is there and the consistency of the fence holes are there but they ever-so-slightly don't match.  Hope that helps.
Do you have the errors on all 'lines' of holes in the MDF? In particular what about at 90 degrees to the first line?

Have you compared the Fence with the Parf Guide System jig? Using the 'dogs' that came with the guide you should be able to check that the hole spacing is the same.

Similarly you can compare the spacing of the 3mm holes in the Parf sticks with the 3mm hole spacing in the Guide jig, by laying one over the other and inserting the three 3mm pins.

Offline Php54

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I tried to post a long thorough explanation to answer your question and attached 4 pictures but somehow it didnt go through.  So I'll sum up.  Yes it is slightly off in bot x and y axis.  Trying random holes in both directions with the same result.  I took your advice and tried overlaying the guide on top of the fence and still over the holes in the top.  I used the guide dogs that came with the Parf Guide and I was able to get a fit on both ends of the guide, thru the fence and into the top.  That spacing I believe is 288mm (three top holes apart.  That told me the tolerance on the guide dogs is a touch under the fence dogs.  Now the big news, I tried my TSO aluminum dogs and viola!  Success.  Their size is a touch under anything UJK makes.  I came fit both holes at opposite ends through the fence with the TSO dogs.  Thank good ess I found a solution.  The downside is I will have to use knobs under the table to secure them tight and they stick up 40mm above the fence.  J will have to get another two sets of those because I use them with my Makita track and UJK track keepers (forgot what they are called) and they work real well for keeping my 90° cuts square.  I have been using fence dogs from Bench Dogs UK with a 40mm 80-20 rail for a fence.  That works ok but has it's own challenges.  I saw their new fence MK2 and that looks to solve some things.

Offline AstroKeith

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I tried to post a long thorough explanation to answer your question and attached 4 pictures but somehow it didnt go through.  So I'll sum up.  Yes it is slightly off in bot x and y axis.  Trying random holes in both directions with the same result.  I took your advice and tried overlaying the guide on top of the fence and still over the holes in the top.  I used the guide dogs that came with the Parf Guide and I was able to get a fit on both ends of the guide, thru the fence and into the top.  That spacing I believe is 288mm (three top holes apart.  That told me the tolerance on the guide dogs is a touch under the fence dogs.  Now the big news, I tried my TSO aluminum dogs and viola!  Success.  Their size is a touch under anything UJK makes.  I came fit both holes at opposite ends through the fence with the TSO dogs.  Thank good ess I found a solution.  The downside is I will have to use knobs under the table to secure them tight and they stick up 40mm above the fence.  J will have to get another two sets of those because I use them with my Makita track and UJK track keepers (forgot what they are called) and they work real well for keeping my 90° cuts square.  I have been using fence dogs from Bench Dogs UK with a 40mm 80-20 rail for a fence.  That works ok but has it's own challenges.  I saw their new fence MK2 and that looks to solve some things.
Glad you have some resolution if not perfect. I think you must have a small error in your holes. Others have seen this and I can only think it is down to drilling technique?

You expose (again) the variation in bench dog diameters. The UJK anchor dogs supplied with the fence are extremely tight (over tight IMHO). I have the tall UJK dogs and they seem good. I have some fence dogs from BenchDogs UK which are marginal.

Offline Php54

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I agree.  It could have been my drilling  technique, very slight tolerance variation in the Parf Guide drill bit or something i haven't thought of.  However, the technique is fairly foolproof.  I figured out the picture attach problem.  I can't seem to take a picture less than 3mg and I'm not savvy enough to figure out how to reduce the size.  The forum rule says 10,000KB max per pic.  That''s one 10th of a megapixel.  Huh.

Offline Php54

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I was wrong, 10000kb is one 100th of a megapixel.

Offline AstroKeith

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I was wrong, 10000kb is one 100th of a megapixel.
I think you are confused or confusing different things?

So 10000kb is 10Mb    'b' being 'bytes' a unit of memory.
Megapixel would be a million pixels. Each Pixel will take an amount of memory to store it. The amount depends on the image quality/compression/etc.

The limit is as you say 10000kb for one image, 40000kb for all images being attached to one post. I'd be surprised if one of your images was bigger that 10000kb. Most phone images are around 2Mb max. Perhaps you had too many images?

What machine are you using to create your posts? PC, MAC, iPhone, etc?

Offline Php54

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You're right, I misspoke, I meant to say megabyte instead of megapixel.  But I'll agree to disagree on the math.  1 megabyte is 1,000,000kb.  I'm using my Samsung A20 phone to take the pics.  I tried to post 4 pics.  I'll try to post from my old Samsung Tab.  The Axminster site limits images to 5mb.  They asked for a review and i may try to post a pic or two there.  I didn't mean to stray off-topic. 

Offline MikeGE

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But I'll agree to disagree on the math.  1 megabyte is 1,000,000kb.

You can disagree with the math, but you would still be wrong.  One megabyte is 1,000kB, where "kB" is kilobyte, or one thousand bytes.  One gigabyte is 1,000,000kB.

Offline Php54

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Lol, well, I see now that I'm wrong on both counts, (literally...."counts", no pun intended).  Thanks to Keith and Mike, I stand corrected.  Now that I know the picture size is not the problem, I tried uploading again and got an error message saying it took too long to upload or the file was too big.  But the message came almost instantly which seems odd.  If I ever take the tme to sit down at my computer I might try it there since it is hardwired instead of wifi.  Thanks again to both of you.  Thank goodness I can use a tape measure.....most of the time.
Phil