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Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:34 AM »
Hi guys!

I have been working for a long time now on a glue-less dowel for Festool.
With this dowel you are able to re-assemble or let client assembly the furniture/connection.

We hope to provide more information soon! In the meanwhile you can subscribe for the newsletter to receive updates!
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Offline joiner1970

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 06:01 AM »
Saw this on Twitter

Keen to see what you've come up with

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 12:27 PM »
Interested

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 01:34 PM »
I'm trying to work out how this can be done and can't get my head round it. Sure it's something simple, I hope it's good....
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 01:37 PM »
Subscribed! interested to see what you come up with..
I have a set of slightly sanded dominoes i use for a dry run (which i can never be bothered doing)  [big grin]
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 01:55 PM »
I can't remember who makes it, but I've seen a video of a RTA-type connector that's completely hidden. You use an attachment on a drill to make it "lock" with what appears to be magnets. I can't seem to find it again at the moment.

But, yes, interested to see what happens with this and to see the capabilities of the Domino expanded.
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 02:02 PM »
I once saw these Zuzzel Domino connectors and thought wow that's what I like and want.
Unfortunately the Zuzzel system never became a succes or is never produced and I think they stopped making them.
Hurray for a next attempt!
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 02:13 PM »
worth a look.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 02:31 PM »
I can't remember who makes it, but I've seen a video of a RTA-type connector that's completely hidden. You use an attachment on a drill to make it "lock" with what appears to be magnets. I can't seem to find it again at the moment.

But, yes, interested to see what happens with this and to see the capabilities of the Domino expanded.
Yeah that was lamello Shane.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 03:06 PM »
Invis mx
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2016, 03:10 PM »
I once saw these Zuzzel Domino connectors and thought wow that's what I like and want.
Unfortunately the Zuzzel system never became a succes or is never produced and I think they stopped making them.
Hurray for a next attempt!
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I can see why.

To many parts and to many processes

Cost and time would be to heigh.

They could easily design it in a 2 part system instead of three.

they should just copy lamello but in dominos.

Do two types of dominos

One which you simply tap and it clicks and holds

One which requires a small holes from above to allow allan key access to lock.

Basically like lamello.

However doing a domino hole with a cnc is easy and a small 4mm hole.

This hole also acts as a refrence point for the domino when having to manually domino the edge of the boards.  Which a cnc cant access.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 03:16 PM »
Invis mx

Ah... yup, I think that's the one.  [wink]
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2016, 05:13 PM »
The website doesn't inspire me enough to subscribe ...

Honestly, if I wanted to build knock down furniture I'd go with the proven Lamello system. Things like this need a lot of proven mileage before anyone is likely to rely on them.


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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2016, 06:00 PM »
The website doesn't inspire me enough to subscribe ...

Honestly, if I wanted to build knock down furniture I'd go with the proven Lamello system. Things like this need a lot of proven mileage before anyone is likely to rely on them.

@Kev
The Invis, Clampex, or Divisio?

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 06:16 PM »
The website doesn't inspire me enough to subscribe ...

Honestly, if I wanted to build knock down furniture I'd go with the proven Lamello system. Things like this need a lot of proven mileage before anyone is likely to rely on them.

@Kev
The Invis, Clampex, or Divisio?

@Holmz I really like the Clamex ... So cool to me able to 90o mitre join like you can with them!

It's on the shopping list ... I'm just trying to be rational these days and only pulling the trigger when I have the application. Not being very successful with this strategy though [embarassed]

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2016, 06:23 PM »
I subscribed but like others have said I'd expect that more info should have been available on the website or within the email response. It had a newsletter mentioned but no content.
I'll not get too excited just yet!!

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2016, 06:28 PM »
Without wishing to appear to be to cynical but wearing a cyber security hat is this not a perfect way of obtaining contact details after all the website has no content
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2016, 07:07 PM »
...

@Holmz I really like the Clamex ... So cool to me able to 90o mitre join like you can with them!

It's on the shopping list ... I'm just trying to be rational these days and only pulling the trigger when I have the application. Not being very successful with this strategy though [embarassed]

M8 - I'll let you know when I give it a whirl. It came in a day or three before the holidays. I have 2 projects, plus a possible bench, and maybe 3 sewing machine tables...

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2016, 09:20 PM »
Without wishing to appear to be to cynical but wearing a cyber security hat is this not a perfect way of obtaining contact details after all the website has no content

@Thistleman

Being a first post stranger didn't help either did it? [sad]

Had this been from from a known FOGger I'd be paying it more merit.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2016, 09:44 PM »
Easy enough to find out who you're dealing with...

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=dominofix.com

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2016, 01:57 AM »
Hi there!

Thanks for all the subscribers that are interested in this product!
I appreciate the feedback on this forum and i can explain you a bit more about the dowel.

It is a 2 pieces dowel which will be drilled with the widest setting on the machine.
One piece has a 12mm dept and the other a 28mm dept, the standard settings on your machine.

To attach the dowel to your workpieces, 2 screws are used to tighten it in the hole (delivers with the dowels)
To connect the 2 dowels with each other, same kind of screw is used by pre-drilling a 5 mm whole in your workpieces (kind of the same way as the lamello P-system)

The dowel will be manufactured in Finland to assure high quality.
I cannot give more information at this point due to protection.


The idea of this dowel came with he fact that i LOVE my festool tools and was in the need of using the Domino joiner but needed dowels that could be assembled without glue. There where 2 other options, the lamello P-system (which requires a new Lamello joiner, or using RTA- connectors (which requires a new dowel joiner for example Mafell). A little bit on the drawing board and some 3D printers did the trick...


I hope you guys have enough information for now! Good idea from some members to point out more info on the one-pager website.
I will arrange that. I am also looking daily on this forum, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Wim Pauwels

 

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2016, 02:17 AM »
Thanks for a bit more info about the product. Do you have an estimated date of release and cost wise

Thanks robert

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2016, 02:24 AM »
Thanks for a bit more info about the product. Do you have an estimated date of release and cost wise

Thanks robert

We hope to get the first batches being shipped out beginning of March 2016. Still working on the final retail price with the manufacturer. As soon as we have the final number. We will let you know.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2016, 02:43 AM »
Did you contact Festool Germany about your intentions of bringing out a glue-less Domino?
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2016, 03:32 AM »
I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2016, 03:39 AM »
I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

Hi Kev,

We are not forcing anybody to like it and we hope to get as much feedback as possible  :)
We cannot give a lot information free at the moment because of the model protection.

Unfortunately making a 90° mitre joint is not going to be possible with this one due to its size.
If we need to make it smaller then it is not going to be strong enough.

Regarding the language, i am not a English speaking native so please forgive me for any incorrect words/translations.
In Finnish we call the Domino also a wooden dowel, although it is wider then the traditional round dowel.

Br,

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2016, 03:58 AM »
I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

Hi Kev,

We are not forcing anybody to like it and we hope to get as much feedback as possible  :)
We cannot give a lot information free at the moment because of the model protection.

Unfortunately making a 90° mitre joint is not going to be possible with this one due to its size.
If we need to make it smaller then it is not going to be strong enough.

Regarding the language, i am not a English speaking native so please forgive me for any incorrect words/translations.
In Finnish we call the Domino also a wooden dowel, although it is wider then the traditional round dowel.

Br,

Wim

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Thanks Wim, your response significantly impacts my concerns regarding intent and credibility [smile]

I personally think the hidden 90o mitre joint is the golden chalice for knock down furniture.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2016, 04:05 AM »
The 90° mitre joint would make it indeed perfect, i fully agree on that.
We will also do hardcore testing to see if it will succeed and it fills the needs of the purpose.

If it works out 100% we hope this will be a nice addition for connectors. If it doesn't work, at least we tried  :)

Br,

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2016, 08:12 AM »
Hi there!

Thanks for all the subscribers that are interested in this product!
I appreciate the feedback on this forum and i can explain you a bit more about the dowel.

It is a 2 pieces dowel which will be drilled with the widest setting on the machine.
One piece has a 12mm dept and the other a 28mm dept, the standard settings on your machine.

To attach the dowel to your workpieces, 2 screws are used to tighten it in the hole (delivers with the dowels)
To connect the 2 dowels with each other, same kind of screw is used by pre-drilling a 5 mm whole in your workpieces (kind of the same way as the lamello P-system)

The dowel will be manufactured in Finland to assure high quality.
I cannot give more information at this point due to protection.


The idea of this dowel came with he fact that i LOVE my festool tools and was in the need of using the Domino joiner but needed dowels that could be assembled without glue. There where 2 other options, the lamello P-system (which requires a new Lamello joiner, or using RTA- connectors (which requires a new dowel joiner for example Mafell). A little bit on the drawing board and some 3D printers did the trick...


I hope you guys have enough information for now! Good idea from some members to point out more info on the one-pager website.
I will arrange that. I am also looking daily on this forum, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Wim Pauwels

 


Instead of having screws could it not be possible to have a push fit.

So the domino is on a pivot which is laying flat as you life the domino up it expands the fitting inside the domino in its width.  Which then holds it on place.

Very much like how blum do it with their draw bars.
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2016, 08:22 AM »
Like this but a domino version.

These blum gallery rods push in and lock once you pull the bar up.

They hold really well ive tried to pull one out. Very strong.

A domino is bigger so if blum can pack it in a small round fitting im sure this can be done by a domino.   So the domino would expand in its width not thickness because that could break the edge if the board.
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