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Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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First Aid Systainer
« on: February 01, 2019, 01:23 AM »
Anyone know where I can get my hands on one?

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Offline BrianSometimes

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 02:17 AM »
https://www.dorchdanola.dk/festool-forbindingskasse-100346-i-systainer.html

They only ship to the Nordic countries, though. You might get a better result buying a red/white Tanos systainer and dropping another first aid kit's contents into it.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 04:18 AM »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 04:49 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 10:33 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

As a retailer, can you not just make the kits available and let people purchase them from you with their FSA money? Or does it have to certified in some way to qualify?

Like in The Netherlands some mouth water is taxed at 21% and some not at all, depending if it's classified as 'cosmetics' or 'medicine'... which depends on if the producer has some kind of license...

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 11:36 PM »
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2007/07/17/woodworkers-first-aid

Just in case you are interested in putting together your own woodworkers first aid kits this link should take you to a past article from Fine Woodworking Magazine. It has some great ideas for what a woodworker might need in their first aid kit.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 09:41 AM »
I just made my own in an old classic sys 1.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2019, 08:58 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I meant my wife and I talked about making a home kit for our own use and use FSA money.  Not everyone has FSA, but if you do, it helps tax wise to use it and not loose it.

Recently I was at a water park.  They had a first aid backpack.  From what I saw, the life guard had to dig through it to find the appropriate items to treat the need.  A Systainer would have been easier, all the bandage and ointments arrayed nicely in front of you.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2019, 09:52 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.

Yes, exactly that.

Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2019, 10:06 PM »
There’s a lot of history here regarding first aid systainers, back in ‘14 the member @wow was taking orders for his own custom run. Search his old posts on first aid and you’ll see a lot of details he put into it. Unfortunately he passed away in ‘15.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2019, 10:24 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:06 AM by Cheese »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2019, 11:36 PM »
The mini version was more realistic for my needs as well, though I passed on the offer since I have way too many first aid kits already. That first kit was probably army medic ready, if I ever needed that much stuff in one instance I’d probably be too injured to use it anyway. I can see it being great for a multi person shop though.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 02:10 PM »
OK - so I did more digging on this.  There isn't an official first aid looking systainer available from Tanos.  We can totally customize one from the colors to what is printed on it.

If we can coordinate the design and enough preorders, I'm willing to make it happen.  I'm thinking we should standard on the size, SYS-I or MINI?

Then we should determine what is the color of systainer and any icons or emblems printed on the systainer.  We can also consider just a high quality logo. 

At the moment I'm assuming I'd sell just the empty systainer, as suggested.

When we get a design finalized, I can arrange a preorder section on Systainer.Store.  How does that sound?
So - what would you like in a design?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2019, 03:28 PM »
Kind regards,
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2019, 03:33 PM »
@systainer.store

I’m interested and willing to participate.


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2019, 04:48 PM »
@Systainer.Store , when WOW was going down the path of getting his first aid kits going he reached out to me for advice on printing whereas I had trials and tribulations with all the Fogtainers.  Printing thru Tanos was not really an option for a small batch.  Wayne lived in Minneapolis and I found him a printer that was actually only about 4 blocks from his house.

If you end up needing a resource for printing give me a shout and I will go thru all my saved messages and emails and try and find you a name.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2019, 04:53 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2019, 05:20 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2019, 05:40 PM »
Thank you guys for the feedback and encouragement on this idea.   

On Friday I got printing cost from Tanos and I'll have to work through the calculations to see where it ends up.  Then we can explore how many people may be interested and if we need to get printing done with a smaller batch.

I see there being a couple design decisions:

Size :: SYS-I, MINI-sys I, or some other size

First aid scheme :: Here is a quick Wikipedia blurb on First Aid kits.  It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid_kit

Color scheme :: once we get the above figured out, we then think about box body color, handle color and T-LOC color.  Then where the logo may be printed.  The more variety in this, then the harder or more costly it may be to source.  Yet to be validated though.  Here is Tanos colors:  https://www.tanos.de/007/En/HOME/PRODUCT_AREAS/systainer/Colours.html

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.
Yep, I can treat a village with the big one . Lol


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?). 

Here's a Festool version that's probably at least 8 years old.



And here's the WOW mini version.


Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2019, 01:52 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2019, 07:41 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.

Yes, yes - of course. 

Another thought I was exploring last night was to get high quality die cut stickers and an all red systainer.  This would be instead of printing directly on the systainer.  It may be lower cost.  Any opinion one way or the other?


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2019, 08:37 AM »
Stickers can work well with the right adhesive.  These images were of stickers made to cure botched printing.  Labels were over laminated with durable plastic film.  The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.





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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2019, 09:22 AM »
The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.

As an ex 3M'er in the tape division, that adhesive was specifically made for low energy surfaces such as plastics. It's an acrylic adhesive with a very high initial bond strength. Better yet though, is the bond strength will become even higher over time.  It goes through kind of an on-product curing process.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 09:24 AM by Cheese »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2019, 12:07 PM »
I own a First Aid systainer sold by GereedschapPro, over here in the Low Countries:
https://www.[insert name of company as mentioned above, no space].nl/artikel/10000/medi-tainer-de-ehbo-doos-voor-de-zzp-er-en-klusser.html

Its contents have been curated by woodworkers and care professionals. The list is in Dutch of course, but auto-translate should be able to make sense for you non-Dutch speakers.

Modified because url of website banned...
« Last Edit: April 08, 2019, 02:59 PM by Bert Vanderveen »
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2019, 06:56 PM »
Couldn't we just use the standard mini with the replacement red mini tloc latch? Lee Valley has the red in stock.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2019, 10:47 PM »
Well FWIW...here's what a mini Systainer will hold.



And here's a list of the individual items.



And remember, some of these items have a shelf life, so unless your vocation in life is to service an entire village like @pettyconstruction aspires... [poke]   less may be more.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2019, 02:27 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2019, 03:54 PM »
I've wanted a first aid kit for my shop for quite a while, but when I look at the first aid kit options on Amazon they generally have lots of stuff which don't seem applicable to a basement workshop.  I don't need drugs like aspirin, don't need bear repellent, Mylar blankets, or other outdoor stuff and if you included a bone saw I'd probably make finger joints with it.  But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2019, 04:12 PM »
But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.

I seem to have soft delicate skin on my hands that just attracts splinters.  I practically get a splinter just by looking at a piece of wood.  I've personally found the best thing to remove splinters is a lancet (like diabetics use to prick their fingers to test their blood) and a good pair of tweezers.  I like the lancets since they have a very sharp point, they're sterile, and I just pop the cap back on and throw it away when I'm done.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2019, 07:29 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2019, 08:21 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I second that idea - the first aid kit is NOT stuff you use for any other purpose besides a medical issue/emergency.  These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.  The only non-urgent time you go in there is to replace expired stuff.

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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2019, 08:54 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

Second that, well stated.

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2019, 09:16 PM »
These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.

Amen...🙏🙏🙏   I’d happily jettison all these items every few years if I never had to use them. It’s just another form of insurance.

In the 4-5 years I’ve owned the WOW mini, I’ve used 1 bandage and some ointment. It was still money well spent but it does give you a window into the practicality of including a bone saw and a de-fib.

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2019, 09:50 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2019, 10:57 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 04:30 AM »
That might be a good move as it puts your eyes in the box much more often than if it was FA stuff alone (hopefully at least). If there were nothing but FA items inside you wouldn't have much cause to eyeball it's contents.

Doing so on a regular basis might remind you to check the expiration dates on certain items and you'll have a visual snapshot of your inventory which may prompt you to reorder something you've used up or stock is low.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 07:19 PM »
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I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 10:28 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 10:56 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 09:11 AM »
OK guys - sorry to stir things up and then go quiet.  I had a bit of travel, family and the administrative stuff I needed to focus on.  Now I'm getting back to this topic.

I've got a chance to bring over a pallet of product from Germany.  If we can decide on box size, the color scheme, I could get some units to prototype or sell. 

I want to do some photo mockups, if I get a chance tonight I'll do that and post here.

The choices I see:
Box size ::  SYS-I is mini-sys I
Color :: red, green, whole box, just lid/bottom, or t-loc
symbol/text :: screen print or tough stickers

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« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2019, 12:51 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2019, 01:54 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

I can't decide. Any would be good for me.

I like the white with red T-latch and handle.

But the red with white handle and latch works too. It would be more visible that's for sure.

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2019, 06:14 PM »
It's too bad Tanos doesn't make a first aid kit like the Sortimo L-Boxx 102 G4 Erste Hilfe.  At €87 (about $100), it's not inexpensive, but it stands out and complies with DIN 13157.

When I was actively traveling with my Bosch equipment in the L-Boxx stacks, I had one of these first aid kits.  Fortunately, I only had to use it twice for minor cuts that were easily fixed with a Band-aid.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2019, 07:01 PM »

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?

I'm going to quote both sizes and am considering getting both and seeing how sales go.
Right now I'm thinking the units will not be stocked with supplies, just the systainer.  I'll take this step by step.

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2019, 10:29 PM »
I was fortunate to get one of WOW's first aid Systainers about 5 years back.  it is fantastic.

Attached is the contents PDF that Wayne provided.  Might give others ideas on what they might want to include.

I've found several of these replacement items for mine from Amazon...


Looks like you can buy the full contents of a DIN 13157 kit contents from them - here

And here are the contents of a DIN 13157 standard kit...
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1 adhesive tape 2.5cmx500cm (DIN 13019 - A5x2.5)
8 adhesive plasters 10cmx6cm (DIN 13019 - E10x6)
4 finger tip plasters4 wound dressing 18cmx2cm (DIN 13019 - E18x2)
4 adhesive plasters 19mmx72mm
8 adhesive plasters 25mmx72mm
1 ambulance dressing 6cmx8cm STERILE (DIN 13151-K)
3 ambulance dressings 8cmx10cm STERILE (DIN 13151-M)
1 ambulance dressing 10cmx12cm STERILE (DIN 13151-G)
1 surgical sheets 60cm x 80cm STERILE (DIN 13152-A)
2 gauze bandages 8cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-8CV/CO)
2 gauze bandages 6cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-6CV/CO)
3 compresses 10cm x 10cm packed per 2 pcs STERILE
1 rescue covers 210cm x 160 cm
2 eye pads STERILE5 fleece cloths non-woven
2 triangular bandages (DIN 13168-D)
1 pair of scissors (DIN 58279 - A145)
4 gloves in polybag (DIN EN 455-1 & DIN EN 455-2)
2 instant cold packs2 PE-bags 30cm x 40cm
1 first aid instructions
1 list of contents


Good luck with the project.

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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2019, 08:49 AM »
OK - more info.  Unfortunately the MINIs can't come in the red color.  Bummer.  I was hoping for a matching set.  Well - we could get a custom color, but MOQ are beyond the scope I'd like to do right now. 

SYS-I Options:
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle. (easy to source)
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)
standard grey systainer with red latch and handle. (trying to match Mini)

MINI-Sys I Options:
Standard grey systainer with red latch
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Thanks for the links to standard contents, that is helpful to those full outfitting their kits.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2019, 09:32 AM »
I like the idea of the red systainer with white latch and handle. If it could be packaged with at least an insert for supplies, that would be fantastic. Maybe even a decal like the Sortimo one linked above.

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2019, 09:45 AM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2019, 03:41 PM »
I would go with the all red as Peter mentioned, fill with the contents WOW did in his, since he was an EMT.  I would the have either a cross or the words first aid in white stickers made. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2019, 04:05 PM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2019, 04:42 PM »
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)

Can you order a Systainer w/o the standard latch and handle then buy the white ones?
Or is that what you were planning to do. If that's possible you won't end up with a bunch
of red latches and handles.

Maybe offer both, but order them as all one color and swap out the latches and handles once you have them.
Then you could offer both a red with white handle and latch and a white with red handle and latch.

All for the same low, low price  [big grin]
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2019, 11:31 PM »
Yeah, my vote is red systainer, white latch. Add me to the list to buy another. 
 I have the old one, the only thing I added was a couple of quick clot patches. Happily replaced a whole lot of expired bits over the last few years.

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2019, 12:25 PM »
An update - trying to move fast so I can get this load of systainers in a container leaving from Germany yet this week for arrival in June.  Tanos USA team was able to work with me on a special order that I'm happy to be able to offer through Systainer.Store.  Thank you Tanos!  I'm ordering many units, though since I haven't quantified demand hopefully I didn't under order for this first batch.

A kit from our store will be composed of:
* SYS-I, red body, with white T-LOC and white handle
* Lid foam, to keep contents in place
* A divider of some sort, see below.
* Sticker/labels to be customer applied - yet to be designed and specified, want to be sure they are good quality and strong adhesive.
* No medical supplies will be included at this time.  As a community I recommend we pick the best package from Amazon and I'll happily link it to the product page. 

For a divider, I'm thinking Vario2.  There is Vario3, which is three rows.  I've attached the image of Vario2, which comes with 6 dividers. 

For those requesting a MINI SYS-I.  I really love this idea too.  I'll look at getting a few red latches to sell as parts in my store and to experiment with.  I can possible do a full "kit" once we get the above SYS-I kit set up.

So - let me know your thoughts on internal divider.  Vario2, Vario3, other?








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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2019, 01:07 PM »
I would definitely be interested in a red sys1 w/white lock etc - keep us updated!
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2019, 01:48 PM »
I’d be interested in a Mini for the garage to complement the WOW Mini in the shop.  [smile]

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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2019, 04:15 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.

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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2019, 05:19 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.

I would also like a price before committing, but I am interested in a Sys1. LV has some dividers that are reasonable in price, but I have not looked to see if any fit this particular application. I think they may have too many small compartments.
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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2019, 06:36 PM »
I would be interested as well in the red sys1 with the white latch.  Keep us posted.

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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Thank you for the continued feedback and vote of support, I do appreciate it as I take a bold step and add this custom item to the Systainer.Store. 

It looks like I'm narrowing in on the following:
8xxxxxxxx :: systainer T-Loc I (carmine red body, white T-LOC and Handle)   
81200323 :: Vario 2 insert with 6 dividers   
81200230 :: systainer lid insert EPP (Expanded Polypropylene) 5mm   
Sticker decal, yet to be design & specified and priced

I hear your comments about price.  Looking at list price on the above, and having not priced the sticker sheets yet, the total comes out to $97.5.  So, yes, it is under the $100 mark without medical supplies.  It will be a while before I need to finalize on price.  Systainer.Store has a free shipping on $100 order or more, so perhaps I could list right at $100 and include the free shipping.  Or maybe I set up some sort of preorder scheme where if I can get enough commitments on preorders I'll give everyone some discount.  Hmmm - it is dangerous to be thinking out loud here as there is more I need to cost out.

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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2019, 01:59 AM »
That sounds great.... count me in for 1.
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« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2019, 06:49 PM »
The order from Germany is confirmed.  Alexandra from Tanos USA worked her magic and delivered some renders that we can look at till the product arrives in June.  While we wait, I'll get working on some sticker designs and bounce them off you guys.  Also, in another day or two I'll cook up a "expression of interest" survey so you can sign up.  I'll likely send out preorder invites to reserve stock once we get closer.  I don't want anyone committing or buy until I get closer and know what the sticker design is.

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« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2019, 08:07 PM »
Nice. I’ll be in for one


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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2019, 08:25 PM »
Looks great! Can’t wait to see it with the stickers you’re working on.


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« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2019, 12:02 AM »
Looks great!

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« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2019, 06:37 AM »
Ditto all the above comments.
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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2019, 11:41 AM »
I really wish the mini was available in red... [sad] [sad]

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« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2019, 11:59 AM »
Hey @Cheese ,

If you don't mind the branding/advertising, I can get you one (or more) of these:

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Let me know. :)

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« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2019, 12:46 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

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« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2019, 01:16 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

Well thanks to Oliver 🙏 , we know Tanos is already producing them for Endel & Dietze so acquiring the colored resin/pellets isn't an issue. I wonder if you could piggy-back off of their next order. So for the next production run, Tanos would just mold some extra red minis and ship them to your address.

That way there's no up-charge for changing the resin color and probably not a minimum quantity.

It's very similar to what happens in powder coating. There's no up-charge to shoot a particular color if they are already shooting it for a particular customer/order.
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« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2019, 01:37 PM »
Good idea Cheese, just need them to set a bunch aside so they're not silkscreened with the logo.
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« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2019, 01:41 PM »
If Tim can order colored Mini's starting at 100 pieces, that's also much better than the current 400 pieces minimum order for colored Minis on the German Tanos site.



I have also seen all red Minis without branding before, but couldn't locate any available stock.

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« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2019, 02:47 PM »
This is fair thinking about the MINIs.

In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  That makes sense, I don't wan't a "trademark" color.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.  For instance, Fein has a specific orange and that is different than that Tanos Orange.  Tanos Orange is easily orderable, Fein orange is only orderable by Fein and in the 1000s.  If we want a custom color, it would be in the 1000s.

I'm not sure about this specific brand mini, I'll have to research more and ask.  I'm thinking multiple 100s, hoping for less than 1000.  Just 100 I don't think is enough.  But again, we can build a "case" for this.  Tanos USA was willing to go to bat for us on the SYS-I set up and I'd love to order more of those to show demand and being a good partner with the systainer community. 

Let me make progress on SYS-I labels/stickers and then circle back to the minis. 

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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2019, 09:02 AM »
I would be interested as well please.

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2019, 11:43 AM »
In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.

FWIW...the standard color red that Tanos molds Systainer items in is Carmine Red, RAL 3002.

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« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2019, 09:22 AM »
ISO has defined a white "plus" on a green background as the official first aid symbol. See also ISO 7010 Reference E003. It might be different in the US, but in most countries I have visited (quite a few) this symbol was indeed used in preference over the red and white combination. I have not found a formal colour designation, but this is what I use: Pantone PMS 356C. Close approximations are CMYK 100,0,91,27 or RGB 0,186,17 or HEX 00BA11. Most often, but not always, I see this green symbol on an orange background. This colour was probably chosen to be in conformance with both the OSHA and ANSI guidelines a.o. These organisations have not assigned formal colour codes to their recommended colours, as far as I know.

In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

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« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2019, 10:43 AM »
In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

Just curious where you purchased the red Mini?

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« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2019, 01:49 PM »
It is a bright orange mini-systainer. I cheated a bit. If you were to look underneath the sticker on the lid you would see a BTI logo.    [big grin]

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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2019, 04:41 PM »
Nice work on your MINI!  That looks easy and noticeable. 

As an engineer, I struggled with following the standard of green/white or red/white.  What I decided is the sticker/decals I produce will have a couple varieties.  This way you can outfit your red systainer with what labeling you would like.  Boy, this will wreak havoc on those that are color blind with red/green! 


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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2019, 04:58 PM »
Another thing to keep in mind is the dispute over the use of the red/white/plus combination. This wikipedia page is an interesting read on the topic. In short: both the international Red Cross organisation and Johnson & Johnson claim it is theirs to use. And you thought only the color blind would be confused...?  [blink]

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2019, 05:35 PM »
I'm planning on just white crosses. 

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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2019, 07:06 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

I started thinking about trying to replace the appropriate items and put them into a mini systainer, but when I looked at what else I would like to add to the kit, they wouldn't fit the mini.  So I'm thinking a Sys 1 first aid kit would be a great solution.



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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2019, 10:56 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

And that's the conundrum Dick. If you let vegetables just sit in a bowl on the counter and if they're not consumed, they all spoil eventually.

I have a WOW mini and I'm sure some of the contents are toast at this point.

While I'm really glad I didn't have to use the contents, it does become an annoyance as those perceived to be frequently used spoiled items do need to be replenished on a continual basis.
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« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2019, 06:10 AM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately).

All of the DIN first aid kits here have expiration dates on the box, usually five to ten years after purchase depending on how long they have been sitting on the shelf.  First aid kits are mandatory for vehicles and are inspection items during the vehicle safety inspection.  An out of date first aid kit will cause a vehicle to fail its safety inspection.

Fortunately, only those sterilized items that come into direct contact with the wound have to be changed, and the other items, such as tape, gauze, and external bandages, don't have expiration dates.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any supplemental date stickers to attach to the first aid kit to identify the new expiration date, so the path of least resistance is to replace the kit in its entirety.

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« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2019, 06:14 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check. 

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« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2019, 07:30 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check.
I dont' know if it is a European requirement, but it is certainly a requirement in Germany for all vehicles except motorcycles.  The vehicle safety inspection list includes a valid first aid kit, warning triangle for roadside emergencies, and safety vests for all occupants of the vehicle (although two vests seems to be the accepted limit).

When taking a vehicle in for the biennial inspection, the first aid kit, warning triangle, and vests must be placed on the passenger seat so the inspector can see them and verify the date on the first aid kit.

Germany is also brutal on the emissions inspections.  Large cities, such as Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Wiesbaden, Munich, and Berlin, created a restricted area around the city, called the "Umweltzone" (environmental zone), that prohibits all vehicles that do not meet at least the Euro 4 standard.  Vehicles that meet this standard have a green decal in the lower right corner of the windshield, and the owner of any vehicle driving or parking in the Umweltzone that doesn't have the Euro 4 decal will receive a fine of at least €105 (about $120).  Unfortunately for the vehicle owner, these fines are cumulative and passing through multiple inspection points in a single trip result in multiple fines.

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« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2019, 09:31 AM »
Thank you for the details @MikeGE I appreciate learning a bit more about your part of the world. 

For all those interested in the first aid systainer we've been talking about, I put together a Google Form where you can note your interest.  This isn't a preorder, but I would like to get a clear indication of interest.  Once we get closer to receiving the stock, we will use this list to contact for preorders.  In addition, the survey has some questions to understand what kind of labels you would want to put on the unit.  Ideally I design a "variety sheet" of labels and you can customize it to your hearts content.  Though if I need to limit the labels to limit the cost, I'd like to understand preferences. 

Go ahead and fill out the form here:  https://forms.gle/SzB9rGEFMcDTdjEx6

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« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2019, 06:32 PM »
I've gotten several great responses on the Google Form linked above, for those that want to indicate interest and get in on the first batch.  Already it is looking like I may have to order a second batch, which is a good thing!

I'll give it a couple more days before I post this form on our Instagram and Email list, since the idea originated in the form, I want to give you a head start to get on the list and share your opinions.

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« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2019, 08:58 AM »
not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but I was just getting some electrical tools from my SYS-SB to replace a wall outlet and thought the SYS-Storage Box (SYS-SB 499901) with the cantilever trays might make a good First Aid box. It's only a couple bucks more that a Sys-2 and quick access to everything. Don't need a divider or tray cause it's built in. See through top lets you know right where stuff is. Big items on the bottom but you don't have to drag everything out, just fold the top tray out of the way to access the bottom compartment.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/systainer,-sortainer-and-systainer-port/systainer/499901---sys-sb
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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2019, 11:45 PM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

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« Reply #93 on: May 22, 2019, 06:20 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

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« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2019, 12:09 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

Thanks for the update.

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« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2019, 08:06 PM »
On Saturday I received a "First Aid Refill" kit I ordered on Amazon that cost just under US $13.  Specifically I ordered this one:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YM8MPO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

I got this one to have as a test for the contents inside the first aid systainer.  Right now I'm not planning on providing contents, but lets see how this goes.  I've attached two pictures showing the kit contents on my workbench, and the contents thrown into a SYS-I, so you can get a sense of volume required by the elements.  I can't wait to get a Vario2 in to see how the contents may be organized in that.  If any of you have a Vario2, and want to purchase the above to give an idea of volume or organization, I'd love to see pictures.  Right now I suspect that this refill kit will fit nicely, but nothing is like having the real thing to play around with.

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« Reply #96 on: June 03, 2019, 09:31 PM »
A quick update.  I heard that the container should arrive in port at the end of this week, so Tanos USA may have it next week and then break the container down into the individual shipments. So, I could have stock of the red/white "Sys-Aid" by June 14th.

On the label front, my local company wasn't able to offer what we are looking, they mostly do single labels on large reels.  I'm looking more for a sheet kind of label and the guy I was working with was great because he referred to a company that is now working on a quote. 

Later this week I hope to start going through my preorder list based on the survey responses. If you didn't get a chance to respond to the survey, email me at hello@Systainer.Store and I'll add your name to the preorder list.  In the email indicate how many you are interested in.

Based on the survey, it looks like I'll be ordering a second batch.

Once I get label art work confirmed and order, I'll share the designs with the forum. 

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« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2019, 08:43 PM »
Another quick update.  On Wednesday Tanos USA informed me of a delay in the container arriving at port/warehouse.  It looks like I may have product around the 19th now instead of next week, so maybe a week delay. 

I'm working with a label vendor, things are promising and next steps is to get pricing and lead times.  It is taking them a few days to work through their process.  Once I know more, I'll post the details here.

Meanwhile I'd like to get pre-sales going.  It may be a bit tough without seeing the labels, however they will be user applied so you have the option to use them or not.  That and I hope to get label details tomorrow and put pre-sale up this weekend or sooner. 

Product name:
I was thinking SYS-Aid
Another person recommended Firstainer
Throwing something out there it could be SYS-FA

Any preference?  Any other recommendations?

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« Reply #98 on: June 07, 2019, 06:00 AM »
Some possibilities that have been bouncing around in my head the past few days.

FIRSTaider

FIRSTainer

SYS-AIDE
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« Reply #99 on: June 07, 2019, 06:28 PM »
What about FIRSTaider Systainer?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2019, 06:59 PM »
Too Long.  We live in a micro second world now.

Offered constructively.

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« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2019, 07:18 PM »
Looking at Amazon reviews on some of the refill kits I found there.

Many received kit with components that expired in less than 2 months,
some commented that the roll of tape was barely enough to wrap a
couple fingers, scissors were cheap, etc.

Need to locate a reputable company with quality product. It's hard to
trust Amazon for some things, this might be one of them.
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« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2019, 09:48 PM »
I don’t mean to be a jerk but in my opinion if you have to open this or ask someone to get it for you there is a good chance that is an emergency. For that reason I would dispense with anything clever and just label it FIRST AID. That way if you need help from someone unfamiliar with your shop it should be easy to find quickly!

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« Reply #103 on: June 07, 2019, 10:07 PM »
I don’t mean to be a jerk but in my opinion if you have to open this or ask someone to get it for you there is a good chance that is an emergency. For that reason I would dispense with anything clever and just label it FIRST AID. That way if you need help from someone unfamiliar with your shop it should be easy to find quickly!

I agree with this assessment. The quicker spotted the better...which then says who cares about some nefarious standard with green symbols?

This whole first aid kit isn’t about incorporating ISO standards, it’s about obtaining first aid for a wound in the least amount of time.

If I’m looking for first aid, I’m not looking for green stickers. I’m looking for large red crosses.

This may really be the case if the aid giver isn’t the purchaser of the first aid kit and hasn’t been part of this discussion, but rather a wife, child or friend of the person that’s hurt. Green means nothing to those people in an emergency. Red is all the difference in the world.

If I were a betting man...I’d bet that 90%+ of the first aid seekers/givers will be looking for red rather than green.
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« Reply #104 on: June 08, 2019, 05:44 AM »
I appreciate the frank responses and it makes me see my proposal on naming wasn't clear.

The systainer will be clearly labeled FIRST AID with white crosses and red backgrounds.  The systainer is red body, white handle and white T-Loc.  More on the labels in a moment.

My request for naming was for what I'd use in the forum, emails, marketing, web site to refer to the product.  I could just use First Aid Systainer.  Though since other products are referred to as SYS-I or SYS-MFT or MICRO-SYS, I thought I'd come up with a shorthand that I/we could all use. 

Speaking of labels, I’ve gotten an art proof back from the latest label company I’m working with.  Next step is to have engineering quote the labels and I should receive feedback on Monday.  I was hoping to squeeze in a few more labels on this sheet, however the art department is telling me they don’t fit with margin and tolerances and capabilities.  I’ve attached a screenshot of the proof.  Below is what I thought when designing these labels and remember, they will come on a sheet for you to apply, so you can apply them all or none at all.  Based on survey results, I choose to stay with red/white for now. 

1.  Large White Cross - top of systainer
2.  Red rectangle background with white letters/symbols - one is to be placed on T-Loc, centered, and then trim top/bottom for the curved groove with a sharp knife.  One is a spare.
3.  Red round background symbol - place as you would like, maybe on the white handle or use on a mini-SYS.  We are getting red T-Locs for mini sys.
4.  There are four “card size” labels for the card slots.  The eyewash and emergency contact may go on front of the systainer where the first aid word/symbol cards would go one on each side.
5.  Longer first air word/symbol for the back of the systainer.
6. Systainer.Store logo - place anywhere on anything.

So - I hope to update on Monday or Tuesday with pricing and to begin preorders. 

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« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2019, 06:37 AM »
I guess I completely misunderstood what you were talking about with respect to the name. I was thinking you meant the label to be placed on the Systainer, not the product name.

I agree with others that keeping it clear what the content is and not obscuring it behind a product name is best.

So FIRST AID on the Systainer labels and whatever you decide on for the product name is probably best.

I looked at the sample label sheet you sent in the email and they look good to me.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #106 on: June 08, 2019, 06:39 AM »
And attaching the image of label samples here, should have had this on the last post.


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« Reply #107 on: June 08, 2019, 08:52 AM »
1. The systainer will be clearly labeled FIRST AID with white crosses and red backgrounds.  The systainer is red body, white handle and white T-Loc. 

2. My request for naming was for what I'd use in the forum, emails, marketing, web site to refer to the product. 

3. We are getting red T-Locs for mini sys.


1. That makes sense...keep it simple.

2. That explanation also now makes sense.

3. I like that.  [smile]

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« Reply #108 on: June 08, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Ok, like others recently posting here I misunderstood. I think that you decal scheme for the Systainer is great, maybe even perfect!

Now regarding what you will call it for marketing purposes, I would call it First Aid Systainer. Sys-Aid is great but again, I think that in this case you want the use case to jump out at your customers and potential customers. No wondering! No doubt!

Just my opinion!

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« Reply #109 on: June 15, 2019, 05:25 AM »
Again, I love the feedback.  Thank you for this. 

Here is the latest:

Yesterday I launched preorders for the First Aid Systainer.  The final cost is $104 for the red/white SYS-I, EPP foam life insert, the Vario2 base insert and an 8.5" x 11" label sheet.  Please note that we are not providing the first aid contents at this time.  The systainers should arrive next week and the labels should arrive the week after that so that I can get all preorders out before the end of June.

I expect this first batch to sell out soon.  The preorders is initially exclusive to the list of people that filled out a survey and initially indicated their interest via our email or online form.  I've emailed all those people.  If you are on this forum thread and interested, please hit me up at hello@Systainer.Store.  There is a second batch of systainer on their way from Germany to the USA.  Those should arrive mid-July.  I'll open that batch for preorder in early July. 

In a few days I'll open up the preorders by making it public on our store.  Right now we have a hidden link for those initial people indicated above.

Once I get product in, I'll snap some marketing pictures and test out the labels and give an example of how/where to apply them. 

I'm really excited to be offering this item and appreciate the community for the inspiration, encouragement, and feedback to make this systainer possible. 

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« Reply #110 on: June 15, 2019, 06:15 AM »
I'm in.

I have reservations about the suggested refill kit on Amazon. Some of the reviews do not speak very highly of the refill kit.

This has nothing to do with nor a negative reflection on the First Aid Systainer of course, just my opinion based on reading the reviews from people who bought the refill kit.

There are other choices which I will be looking at and if I find something I think may be better I'll post it here.
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« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2019, 06:56 AM »
Good points Bob, thank you for raising them again.

I should put some more effort into this myself as well, and do some test fits with actual contents and the Vario2 when I get that in.  So I've removed the recommended kit language from the product post for now.
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« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2019, 09:32 AM »
Again, I love the feedback.  Thank you for this. 

Tim, as I remember there was also quite a bit of interest in the Mini Aid Systainers, so maybe you can update the rest of the members on where and what's going on with the Mini?

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« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2019, 09:58 AM »
Maybe look at these kits. Company has been around a while and actually seems to be one of if not the first to offer First Aid kits for sale back in the 40s.

https://www.firstaidonly.com/by-brand/http-www-firstaidonly-com-first-aid-kits-osha-ansi-first-aid-stations-ansi-osha-html.html

History:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Kit_First_Aid_Kits

I haven't explored the source (US, China, other) of their individual kit components yet, working on it.

This appears to be the same company that is selling the kit Tim linked to on Amazon in a previous post.
I'm not concerned with cost, only that the kit contains the proper items to handle  the types of emergencies associated with construction/woodworking incidents. So less or no aspirin and more burn ointment, cold packs, QuikClots, large bandages, etc.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2019, 07:59 PM »
It is here!

Well, nearly here.  The red/white SYS-I and red mini-systainer T-Loc parts are in the USA and in transit to my warehouse!  Yahoo!

I've had preorders open for the SYS-Aid for a couple days now to those that responded to the survey earlier in this thread.  The first batch is nearly sold out and now I'm opening the preorder to those here on FOG.  I anticipate being able to ship preorders mid or late next week, once the labels come in and I confirm that they work as intended on the systainer. 

Get your preorder in now:  https://systainer.store/collections/systainer-t-loc/products/first-aid-systainer

Did it sell out before you got your order in?  Have no fear, I've got a second batch on the way from Germany that should arrive in mid-July.  As we get closer I'll open a preorder for that batch.  Hit me up and I'll be sure you are on a list that I'll notify when I open that preorder.

Looking for just the mini-systainer red T-Loc part and label sheet?  I just created a product page here:  https://systainer.store/products/mini-systainer-t-loc-part-red

Hopefully only a couple more days before I get some product in hand and can post photos. 

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« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2019, 08:21 PM »
The pallet of red/white SYS-Is has arrived! 
The labels may arrive Friday, or Saturday.  They ship from one state away on Thursday, so I'm hopeful to get them quick.

I'll need a day or so to test labels and to take pictures.  Once things are looking good, shipping of preorders can begin.  I'm thinking it may be July 1 or 2 when things will be sent out.

So excited to have these ready for the community and to see how you outfit your SYS-Aid!

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« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2019, 09:34 PM »
I for one couldn't care less about a minor delay to make sure things are right - take what time you need.

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« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2019, 06:52 PM »
Wow!  I just love the way the SYS-Aid has turned out.  I also like the way the mini-SYS-Aid looks as well.

I got the labels in on Friday and in the evening I applied them.  Sweeeet!  And there are a couple more labels left on the sheet.  I tried to design the label sheet so you could pick how you would like to decorate your SYS-I or mini-SYS.  There are enough labels on a single sheet to do both.

Just check out the pics!

As of this writing I had three SYS-Aids left for preorder from Batch 1.  Preorder Here.  Shipping July 1 or 2.
I've got a handful of red mini T-Loc.  Preorder mini T-Loc here.  Shipping July 1 or 2. 

If you like these pics, you may want to follow Systainer.Store on Instagram!

Please note, we don't provide the actual first aid items in the kit.  The picture with the contents is the exact same contents I ordered earlier in this thread.  I include it here to get an idea of how one might organize and what fits.  I could see some day making an custom insert for first aid contents.....that is far in the future.

The labels feel great!  They are quality, vinyl feeling.  Maybe even a little stretchy.  Take your time to put them on and use something to squeeze all the air bubbles out while you apply the label. 


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« Reply #118 on: June 29, 2019, 09:46 PM »
Looks great. Thanks Tim for the photos.
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« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2019, 11:24 AM »
Now that the SYS-Aid's are in the hands of Fedex, is there a consensus on the best set of supplies to fill it with?

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« Reply #120 on: July 03, 2019, 12:21 PM »
Here's the list from Wow's first aid kit.

NOTE: I believe the contents of the list below was in a sys2 with an attic lid.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 12:26 PM by RobBob »

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« Reply #121 on: July 03, 2019, 01:02 PM »
Thanks, I was hoping for something that could easily be ordered as a small number of items.  There was a refill kit mentioned recently but that seems to have been removed pending better suggestions.

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« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2019, 11:40 AM »
I just came across the Mfasco "make a kit" selector here.  It's a little overwhelming with options, but with some guidance you should be able to put together a very appropriate kit.

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« Reply #123 on: July 05, 2019, 01:00 PM »
I just came across the Mfasco "make a kit" selector here.  It's a little overwhelming with options, but with some guidance you should be able to put together a very appropriate kit.

This looks good, you can choose every little piece you want in your kit, but I wouldn't know all that it would take to get to make up a well-rounded kit, the number of choices are overwhelming. I have an idea of many of the items I 'think' should be in there, but are they the best choice to cover the majority of the emergencies one is likely to encounter. I think I would need some input from a EMT or Nurse.

Undoubtedly there will be someone in the group who can make an informed decision as to what to include and what not.
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« Reply #124 on: July 05, 2019, 01:02 PM »
The site does allow you to save a kit configuration for later, but it would have been really fantastic if it allowed you to share a configuration with others.

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« Reply #125 on: July 05, 2019, 01:05 PM »
I'm also interested in which of their options are easier to use if you're applying them to yourself instead of someone else doing it.

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« Reply #126 on: July 05, 2019, 01:30 PM »
Here is what I just sent to their customer service email address:

On the Festool Owners Group there is a discussion going on about first aid kits for either individual hobbyist or small business woodworking shops.  There is also a vendor who has ordered a Festool style case for first aid supplies, but don't yet have a recommended supply kit for it.

Here is the container:

https://systainer.store/collections/first-aid-systainer/products/first-aid-systainer

Here is the discussion:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/first-aid-systainer-58507/120/

What I'd love to get your input on and share with the group is a supply kit that would be appropriate for this use.  The guidelines would be:

   
  • Some are small business and some (me for example) are individual hobbyists, so being compliant with OSHA or other relevant standards is a must have for some, not a bad thing for all.
  • Since lots of us work alone or in small groups max, prefer options which are easier to apply on yourself.
  • No items which are for routine use - this kit isn't where you'd store gloves you're going to use for non-emergencies.
  • While maybe a bee sting type item would be good for group members who are doing on-site work, others of us will be putting this in a stationary shop and don't need outdoor survival items (space blankets and such).
  • Since we're talking about woodworking power tools there should be provisions for body parts encountering cutting tools (bleeding, amputations) with the above preference for self application.  Of course not all injuries would be that severe, could be minor cuts.
  • splinter care is also required, though for some of us this is so common it's not an emergency.

I think your build your own kit tool is great, but the choices there get overwhelming for those of us who have little real world experience (and hope we never do).  While the ability to save a custom configuration is great, even better would be one that could be shared and/or collaborated on.

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« Reply #127 on: July 05, 2019, 04:15 PM »
My Sys-Aid should arrive tomorrow so I have been working on contents. Here is what I have so far. I should say that my main aim is for this kit to help with immediate aid for the most common (as well as the most serious) woodworking injuries. I am less concerned with minor routine (non woodworking related) needs.

Tourniquet
First aid shears / scissors
Splinter outs
Alcohol wipes
Gauze 4x4’s
Sterile exam gloves
4” ace bandage
3” grip wrap
Eye wash
Small inspection mirror
Penlight
Q tips
Benadryl
Neosporin
2x4” fabric bandaids
Butterfly wound closures
1x3” fabric bandaids
Clean unused zip loc bag stored inside another unused zip loc
Hydrogen peroxide
Rubbing alcohol
2 instant cold packs
Cloth tape
Betadine
Clotting agent
Rolled cotton
Rolled gauze
Advil, Aspirin, Tylenol

Once I test fit all of this into the systainer  I will make additions or deletions accordingly.

Have I forgotten anything important ?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2019, 11:28 AM by Alanbach »

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« Reply #128 on: July 14, 2019, 10:24 PM »
Here is what I just sent to their customer service email address:


I got a useless email response from mfasco.

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« Reply #129 on: July 16, 2019, 08:24 PM »
Bummer! 

So far I've gotten along OK with the previously mentioned amazon first aid kit, though I'll admit I've been outside and on my bike and with the family more than in the shop.  However my kinds think the kit is great and like to pretend to be doctors/nurses.  I'm thinking I should make a kit that they can't touch so I know it is there should an emergency really occur!   [cool]


A quick update on stock.  On Wednesday (tomorrow, the 17th) I'll be assembling and final inspecting batch 2 and getting that ready to ship the preorders.  The batch hasn't sold out.  I'm going to have a few in stock.  If you are still looking to get a SYS-Aid, go ahead and order at Systainer.Store and your unit should ship this week. 

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« Reply #130 on: July 17, 2019, 12:01 AM »
Ok, so I got mine and I love it! For me, I found that I had two choices. Either I could use the divider and keep things highly organized where you can instantly see everything that is there but in order to do that I was going to have to really cut down on the contents. OR I could take out the divider and get a lot more in there. I chose to remove the divider. I got everything I listed above and more in there as a result. Now I think that I am going to print out a list of contents and affix it to the top inside in order to help someone out in an emergency. I figure that is the least that I can do since that person might be helping ME in that emergency (god forbid). I will try to take a picture and post it soon.

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« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2019, 12:36 AM »
Here it is! It’s about time that I did this. Thank you @Systainer.Store !

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« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2019, 05:43 AM »
Very nice looking @Alanbach!  Thank you for posting your picture. 

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« Reply #133 on: August 10, 2019, 12:05 PM »
I was recently in REI and was surprised at the amount and selection of the refill kits they sell. Could be another option to check out in person.

https://www.rei.com/c/first-aid-supplies?ir=category%3Afirst-aid&r=category%3Afirst-aid%7Cfirst-aid-supplies

And here are their kits that could be repackaged.

https://www.rei.com/c/first-aid-kits?ir=category%3Afirst-aid&r=category%3Afirst-aid%7Cfirst-aid-kits

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« Reply #134 on: August 11, 2019, 09:45 AM »
Nice, thanks Cheese for those links.
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« Reply #135 on: September 02, 2019, 01:34 PM »
I've been suffering from alternating bouts of not having time to think about this and overthinking it (too many options and too much paranoia on hand).  I liked where Alanbach was going with his list - does he (or anyone else) have something similar with actually orderable links?

If the folks at the Systainer store had come up with a prepackaged supplies set I would have just bought it and been done with it.

My Sys-Aid should arrive tomorrow so I have been working on contents. Here is what I have so far. I should say that my main aim is for this kit to help with immediate aid for the most common (as well as the most serious) woodworking injuries. I am less concerned with minor routine (non woodworking related) needs.

Tourniquet
First aid shears / scissors
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Advil, Aspirin, Tylenol

Once I test fit all of this into the systainer  I will make additions or deletions accordingly.

Have I forgotten anything important ?

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« Reply #136 on: September 02, 2019, 02:11 PM »
Oh man - I'm sorry you are bouncing around in your decision.
For now, to keep options open, I've not been supplying the first aid items, though I see how it could cause paralys

I'd recommend just picking a refill kit out online and going for it.  Just do it.  Iterate from there.  Be sure bases are covered and each month take a moment to review what worked and what didn't and then just iterate.  My downfall is trying to get things perfect the first time, and I've had to work hard at doing a first draft of something and then revise from there.

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« Reply #137 on: September 02, 2019, 11:46 PM »
@sprior - Like you, I obsessed about this for a few days and then I went to CVS and bought what I could find that I was satisfied with. I was able to get most of what I wanted. Then I went to Amazon to order the Tourniquets (one that could be put on with one hand), the Splinter Outs, a penlight and some decent quality bottles for the alchohol and hydrogen peroxide (since I could not find small bottles). The touniquets came with some small metal pill containers so I labeled those for Tylenol, Advil and aspirin. Then I put a small label on the outside of the systainer with the date I filled it. Every year I will have to replace the medicines with expiration dates.