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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2019, 06:32 PM »
I've gotten several great responses on the Google Form linked above, for those that want to indicate interest and get in on the first batch.  Already it is looking like I may have to order a second batch, which is a good thing!

I'll give it a couple more days before I post this form on our Instagram and Email list, since the idea originated in the form, I want to give you a head start to get on the list and share your opinions.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2019, 08:58 AM »
not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but I was just getting some electrical tools from my SYS-SB to replace a wall outlet and thought the SYS-Storage Box (SYS-SB 499901) with the cantilever trays might make a good First Aid box. It's only a couple bucks more that a Sys-2 and quick access to everything. Don't need a divider or tray cause it's built in. See through top lets you know right where stuff is. Big items on the bottom but you don't have to drag everything out, just fold the top tray out of the way to access the bottom compartment.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/systainer,-sortainer-and-systainer-port/systainer/499901---sys-sb
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2019, 11:45 PM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #93 on: May 22, 2019, 06:20 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2019, 12:09 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

Thanks for the update.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2019, 08:06 PM »
On Saturday I received a "First Aid Refill" kit I ordered on Amazon that cost just under US $13.  Specifically I ordered this one:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YM8MPO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

I got this one to have as a test for the contents inside the first aid systainer.  Right now I'm not planning on providing contents, but lets see how this goes.  I've attached two pictures showing the kit contents on my workbench, and the contents thrown into a SYS-I, so you can get a sense of volume required by the elements.  I can't wait to get a Vario2 in to see how the contents may be organized in that.  If any of you have a Vario2, and want to purchase the above to give an idea of volume or organization, I'd love to see pictures.  Right now I suspect that this refill kit will fit nicely, but nothing is like having the real thing to play around with.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #96 on: June 03, 2019, 09:31 PM »
A quick update.  I heard that the container should arrive in port at the end of this week, so Tanos USA may have it next week and then break the container down into the individual shipments. So, I could have stock of the red/white "Sys-Aid" by June 14th.

On the label front, my local company wasn't able to offer what we are looking, they mostly do single labels on large reels.  I'm looking more for a sheet kind of label and the guy I was working with was great because he referred to a company that is now working on a quote. 

Later this week I hope to start going through my preorder list based on the survey responses. If you didn't get a chance to respond to the survey, email me at hello@Systainer.Store and I'll add your name to the preorder list.  In the email indicate how many you are interested in.

Based on the survey, it looks like I'll be ordering a second batch.

Once I get label art work confirmed and order, I'll share the designs with the forum. 

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2019, 08:43 PM »
Another quick update.  On Wednesday Tanos USA informed me of a delay in the container arriving at port/warehouse.  It looks like I may have product around the 19th now instead of next week, so maybe a week delay. 

I'm working with a label vendor, things are promising and next steps is to get pricing and lead times.  It is taking them a few days to work through their process.  Once I know more, I'll post the details here.

Meanwhile I'd like to get pre-sales going.  It may be a bit tough without seeing the labels, however they will be user applied so you have the option to use them or not.  That and I hope to get label details tomorrow and put pre-sale up this weekend or sooner. 

Product name:
I was thinking SYS-Aid
Another person recommended Firstainer
Throwing something out there it could be SYS-FA

Any preference?  Any other recommendations?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #98 on: June 07, 2019, 06:00 AM »
Some possibilities that have been bouncing around in my head the past few days.

FIRSTaider

FIRSTainer

SYS-AIDE
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #99 on: June 07, 2019, 06:28 PM »
What about FIRSTaider Systainer?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2019, 06:59 PM »
Too Long.  We live in a micro second world now.

Offered constructively.

Peter

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2019, 07:18 PM »
Looking at Amazon reviews on some of the refill kits I found there.

Many received kit with components that expired in less than 2 months,
some commented that the roll of tape was barely enough to wrap a
couple fingers, scissors were cheap, etc.

Need to locate a reputable company with quality product. It's hard to
trust Amazon for some things, this might be one of them.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2019, 09:48 PM »
I don’t mean to be a jerk but in my opinion if you have to open this or ask someone to get it for you there is a good chance that is an emergency. For that reason I would dispense with anything clever and just label it FIRST AID. That way if you need help from someone unfamiliar with your shop it should be easy to find quickly!

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #103 on: June 07, 2019, 10:07 PM »
I don’t mean to be a jerk but in my opinion if you have to open this or ask someone to get it for you there is a good chance that is an emergency. For that reason I would dispense with anything clever and just label it FIRST AID. That way if you need help from someone unfamiliar with your shop it should be easy to find quickly!

I agree with this assessment. The quicker spotted the better...which then says who cares about some nefarious standard with green symbols?

This whole first aid kit isn’t about incorporating ISO standards, it’s about obtaining first aid for a wound in the least amount of time.

If I’m looking for first aid, I’m not looking for green stickers. I’m looking for large red crosses.

This may really be the case if the aid giver isn’t the purchaser of the first aid kit and hasn’t been part of this discussion, but rather a wife, child or friend of the person that’s hurt. Green means nothing to those people in an emergency. Red is all the difference in the world.

If I were a betting man...I’d bet that 90%+ of the first aid seekers/givers will be looking for red rather than green.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #104 on: June 08, 2019, 05:44 AM »
I appreciate the frank responses and it makes me see my proposal on naming wasn't clear.

The systainer will be clearly labeled FIRST AID with white crosses and red backgrounds.  The systainer is red body, white handle and white T-Loc.  More on the labels in a moment.

My request for naming was for what I'd use in the forum, emails, marketing, web site to refer to the product.  I could just use First Aid Systainer.  Though since other products are referred to as SYS-I or SYS-MFT or MICRO-SYS, I thought I'd come up with a shorthand that I/we could all use. 

Speaking of labels, I’ve gotten an art proof back from the latest label company I’m working with.  Next step is to have engineering quote the labels and I should receive feedback on Monday.  I was hoping to squeeze in a few more labels on this sheet, however the art department is telling me they don’t fit with margin and tolerances and capabilities.  I’ve attached a screenshot of the proof.  Below is what I thought when designing these labels and remember, they will come on a sheet for you to apply, so you can apply them all or none at all.  Based on survey results, I choose to stay with red/white for now. 

1.  Large White Cross - top of systainer
2.  Red rectangle background with white letters/symbols - one is to be placed on T-Loc, centered, and then trim top/bottom for the curved groove with a sharp knife.  One is a spare.
3.  Red round background symbol - place as you would like, maybe on the white handle or use on a mini-SYS.  We are getting red T-Locs for mini sys.
4.  There are four “card size” labels for the card slots.  The eyewash and emergency contact may go on front of the systainer where the first aid word/symbol cards would go one on each side.
5.  Longer first air word/symbol for the back of the systainer.
6. Systainer.Store logo - place anywhere on anything.

So - I hope to update on Monday or Tuesday with pricing and to begin preorders. 

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2019, 06:37 AM »
I guess I completely misunderstood what you were talking about with respect to the name. I was thinking you meant the label to be placed on the Systainer, not the product name.

I agree with others that keeping it clear what the content is and not obscuring it behind a product name is best.

So FIRST AID on the Systainer labels and whatever you decide on for the product name is probably best.

I looked at the sample label sheet you sent in the email and they look good to me.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #106 on: June 08, 2019, 06:39 AM »
And attaching the image of label samples here, should have had this on the last post.


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« Reply #107 on: June 08, 2019, 08:52 AM »
1. The systainer will be clearly labeled FIRST AID with white crosses and red backgrounds.  The systainer is red body, white handle and white T-Loc. 

2. My request for naming was for what I'd use in the forum, emails, marketing, web site to refer to the product. 

3. We are getting red T-Locs for mini sys.


1. That makes sense...keep it simple.

2. That explanation also now makes sense.

3. I like that.  [smile]

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« Reply #108 on: June 08, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Ok, like others recently posting here I misunderstood. I think that you decal scheme for the Systainer is great, maybe even perfect!

Now regarding what you will call it for marketing purposes, I would call it First Aid Systainer. Sys-Aid is great but again, I think that in this case you want the use case to jump out at your customers and potential customers. No wondering! No doubt!

Just my opinion!

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #109 on: June 15, 2019, 05:25 AM »
Again, I love the feedback.  Thank you for this. 

Here is the latest:

Yesterday I launched preorders for the First Aid Systainer.  The final cost is $104 for the red/white SYS-I, EPP foam life insert, the Vario2 base insert and an 8.5" x 11" label sheet.  Please note that we are not providing the first aid contents at this time.  The systainers should arrive next week and the labels should arrive the week after that so that I can get all preorders out before the end of June.

I expect this first batch to sell out soon.  The preorders is initially exclusive to the list of people that filled out a survey and initially indicated their interest via our email or online form.  I've emailed all those people.  If you are on this forum thread and interested, please hit me up at hello@Systainer.Store.  There is a second batch of systainer on their way from Germany to the USA.  Those should arrive mid-July.  I'll open that batch for preorder in early July. 

In a few days I'll open up the preorders by making it public on our store.  Right now we have a hidden link for those initial people indicated above.

Once I get product in, I'll snap some marketing pictures and test out the labels and give an example of how/where to apply them. 

I'm really excited to be offering this item and appreciate the community for the inspiration, encouragement, and feedback to make this systainer possible. 

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #110 on: June 15, 2019, 06:15 AM »
I'm in.

I have reservations about the suggested refill kit on Amazon. Some of the reviews do not speak very highly of the refill kit.

This has nothing to do with nor a negative reflection on the First Aid Systainer of course, just my opinion based on reading the reviews from people who bought the refill kit.

There are other choices which I will be looking at and if I find something I think may be better I'll post it here.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2019, 06:56 AM »
Good points Bob, thank you for raising them again.

I should put some more effort into this myself as well, and do some test fits with actual contents and the Vario2 when I get that in.  So I've removed the recommended kit language from the product post for now.
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« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2019, 09:32 AM »
Again, I love the feedback.  Thank you for this. 

Tim, as I remember there was also quite a bit of interest in the Mini Aid Systainers, so maybe you can update the rest of the members on where and what's going on with the Mini?

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« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2019, 09:58 AM »
Maybe look at these kits. Company has been around a while and actually seems to be one of if not the first to offer First Aid kits for sale back in the 40s.

https://www.firstaidonly.com/by-brand/http-www-firstaidonly-com-first-aid-kits-osha-ansi-first-aid-stations-ansi-osha-html.html

History:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Kit_First_Aid_Kits

I haven't explored the source (US, China, other) of their individual kit components yet, working on it.

This appears to be the same company that is selling the kit Tim linked to on Amazon in a previous post.
I'm not concerned with cost, only that the kit contains the proper items to handle  the types of emergencies associated with construction/woodworking incidents. So less or no aspirin and more burn ointment, cold packs, QuikClots, large bandages, etc.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2019, 07:59 PM »
It is here!

Well, nearly here.  The red/white SYS-I and red mini-systainer T-Loc parts are in the USA and in transit to my warehouse!  Yahoo!

I've had preorders open for the SYS-Aid for a couple days now to those that responded to the survey earlier in this thread.  The first batch is nearly sold out and now I'm opening the preorder to those here on FOG.  I anticipate being able to ship preorders mid or late next week, once the labels come in and I confirm that they work as intended on the systainer. 

Get your preorder in now:  https://systainer.store/collections/systainer-t-loc/products/first-aid-systainer

Did it sell out before you got your order in?  Have no fear, I've got a second batch on the way from Germany that should arrive in mid-July.  As we get closer I'll open a preorder for that batch.  Hit me up and I'll be sure you are on a list that I'll notify when I open that preorder.

Looking for just the mini-systainer red T-Loc part and label sheet?  I just created a product page here:  https://systainer.store/products/mini-systainer-t-loc-part-red

Hopefully only a couple more days before I get some product in hand and can post photos. 

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2019, 08:21 PM »
The pallet of red/white SYS-Is has arrived! 
The labels may arrive Friday, or Saturday.  They ship from one state away on Thursday, so I'm hopeful to get them quick.

I'll need a day or so to test labels and to take pictures.  Once things are looking good, shipping of preorders can begin.  I'm thinking it may be July 1 or 2 when things will be sent out.

So excited to have these ready for the community and to see how you outfit your SYS-Aid!

-Sys Tim


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2019, 09:34 PM »
I for one couldn't care less about a minor delay to make sure things are right - take what time you need.

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« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2019, 06:52 PM »
Wow!  I just love the way the SYS-Aid has turned out.  I also like the way the mini-SYS-Aid looks as well.

I got the labels in on Friday and in the evening I applied them.  Sweeeet!  And there are a couple more labels left on the sheet.  I tried to design the label sheet so you could pick how you would like to decorate your SYS-I or mini-SYS.  There are enough labels on a single sheet to do both.

Just check out the pics!

As of this writing I had three SYS-Aids left for preorder from Batch 1.  Preorder Here.  Shipping July 1 or 2.
I've got a handful of red mini T-Loc.  Preorder mini T-Loc here.  Shipping July 1 or 2. 

If you like these pics, you may want to follow Systainer.Store on Instagram!

Please note, we don't provide the actual first aid items in the kit.  The picture with the contents is the exact same contents I ordered earlier in this thread.  I include it here to get an idea of how one might organize and what fits.  I could see some day making an custom insert for first aid contents.....that is far in the future.

The labels feel great!  They are quality, vinyl feeling.  Maybe even a little stretchy.  Take your time to put them on and use something to squeeze all the air bubbles out while you apply the label. 


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« Reply #118 on: June 29, 2019, 09:46 PM »
Looks great. Thanks Tim for the photos.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2019, 11:24 AM »
Now that the SYS-Aid's are in the hands of Fedex, is there a consensus on the best set of supplies to fill it with?