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Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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First Aid Systainer
« on: February 01, 2019, 01:23 AM »
Anyone know where I can get my hands on one?

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Offline BrianSometimes

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 02:17 AM »
https://www.dorchdanola.dk/festool-forbindingskasse-100346-i-systainer.html

They only ship to the Nordic countries, though. You might get a better result buying a red/white Tanos systainer and dropping another first aid kit's contents into it.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 04:18 AM »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 04:49 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 10:33 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

As a retailer, can you not just make the kits available and let people purchase them from you with their FSA money? Or does it have to certified in some way to qualify?

Like in The Netherlands some mouth water is taxed at 21% and some not at all, depending if it's classified as 'cosmetics' or 'medicine'... which depends on if the producer has some kind of license...

Offline Alanbach

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 11:36 PM »
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2007/07/17/woodworkers-first-aid

Just in case you are interested in putting together your own woodworkers first aid kits this link should take you to a past article from Fine Woodworking Magazine. It has some great ideas for what a woodworker might need in their first aid kit.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 09:41 AM »
I just made my own in an old classic sys 1.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2019, 08:58 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I meant my wife and I talked about making a home kit for our own use and use FSA money.  Not everyone has FSA, but if you do, it helps tax wise to use it and not loose it.

Recently I was at a water park.  They had a first aid backpack.  From what I saw, the life guard had to dig through it to find the appropriate items to treat the need.  A Systainer would have been easier, all the bandage and ointments arrayed nicely in front of you.

Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2019, 09:52 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.

Yes, exactly that.

Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2019, 10:06 PM »
There’s a lot of history here regarding first aid systainers, back in ‘14 the member @wow was taking orders for his own custom run. Search his old posts on first aid and you’ll see a lot of details he put into it. Unfortunately he passed away in ‘15.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2019, 10:24 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:06 AM by Cheese »

Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2019, 11:36 PM »
The mini version was more realistic for my needs as well, though I passed on the offer since I have way too many first aid kits already. That first kit was probably army medic ready, if I ever needed that much stuff in one instance I’d probably be too injured to use it anyway. I can see it being great for a multi person shop though.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 02:10 PM »
OK - so I did more digging on this.  There isn't an official first aid looking systainer available from Tanos.  We can totally customize one from the colors to what is printed on it.

If we can coordinate the design and enough preorders, I'm willing to make it happen.  I'm thinking we should standard on the size, SYS-I or MINI?

Then we should determine what is the color of systainer and any icons or emblems printed on the systainer.  We can also consider just a high quality logo. 

At the moment I'm assuming I'd sell just the empty systainer, as suggested.

When we get a design finalized, I can arrange a preorder section on Systainer.Store.  How does that sound?
So - what would you like in a design?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2019, 03:28 PM »
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline reidbailey

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2019, 03:33 PM »
@systainer.store

I’m interested and willing to participate.


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2019, 04:48 PM »
@Systainer.Store , when WOW was going down the path of getting his first aid kits going he reached out to me for advice on printing whereas I had trials and tribulations with all the Fogtainers.  Printing thru Tanos was not really an option for a small batch.  Wayne lived in Minneapolis and I found him a printer that was actually only about 4 blocks from his house.

If you end up needing a resource for printing give me a shout and I will go thru all my saved messages and emails and try and find you a name.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2019, 04:53 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2019, 05:20 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2019, 05:40 PM »
Thank you guys for the feedback and encouragement on this idea.   

On Friday I got printing cost from Tanos and I'll have to work through the calculations to see where it ends up.  Then we can explore how many people may be interested and if we need to get printing done with a smaller batch.

I see there being a couple design decisions:

Size :: SYS-I, MINI-sys I, or some other size

First aid scheme :: Here is a quick Wikipedia blurb on First Aid kits.  It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid_kit

Color scheme :: once we get the above figured out, we then think about box body color, handle color and T-LOC color.  Then where the logo may be printed.  The more variety in this, then the harder or more costly it may be to source.  Yet to be validated though.  Here is Tanos colors:  https://www.tanos.de/007/En/HOME/PRODUCT_AREAS/systainer/Colours.html

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.
Yep, I can treat a village with the big one . Lol


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?). 

Here's a Festool version that's probably at least 8 years old.



And here's the WOW mini version.


Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2019, 01:52 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2019, 07:41 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.

Yes, yes - of course. 

Another thought I was exploring last night was to get high quality die cut stickers and an all red systainer.  This would be instead of printing directly on the systainer.  It may be lower cost.  Any opinion one way or the other?


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2019, 08:37 AM »
Stickers can work well with the right adhesive.  These images were of stickers made to cure botched printing.  Labels were over laminated with durable plastic film.  The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.





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« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 08:46 AM by Peter Halle »

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2019, 09:22 AM »
The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.

As an ex 3M'er in the tape division, that adhesive was specifically made for low energy surfaces such as plastics. It's an acrylic adhesive with a very high initial bond strength. Better yet though, is the bond strength will become even higher over time.  It goes through kind of an on-product curing process.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 09:24 AM by Cheese »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2019, 12:07 PM »
I own a First Aid systainer sold by GereedschapPro, over here in the Low Countries:
https://www.[insert name of company as mentioned above, no space].nl/artikel/10000/medi-tainer-de-ehbo-doos-voor-de-zzp-er-en-klusser.html

Its contents have been curated by woodworkers and care professionals. The list is in Dutch of course, but auto-translate should be able to make sense for you non-Dutch speakers.

Modified because url of website banned...
« Last Edit: April 08, 2019, 02:59 PM by Bert Vanderveen »
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2019, 06:56 PM »
Couldn't we just use the standard mini with the replacement red mini tloc latch? Lee Valley has the red in stock.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2019, 10:47 PM »
Well FWIW...here's what a mini Systainer will hold.



And here's a list of the individual items.



And remember, some of these items have a shelf life, so unless your vocation in life is to service an entire village like @pettyconstruction aspires... [poke]   less may be more.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2019, 02:27 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.