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Hello, FOG friends, some exciting news!

Festool USA has announced that the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver will be coming to the U.S. market on July 1st starting at only $199, pre-order now!

PRE-ORDER NOW!

With the new TID 18 also comes seven combo kits which include the impact driver and one or more other tools, offering a savings of up to $499 versus purchasing separately.

Also, we're getting a new version of the T 18 with a permanent fixed keyless chuck called the T 18 E (Easy). It is not compatible with Centrotec chucks and the included chuck cannot be removed. For those who do not need the capability offered by the Centrotec chucks, this will offer a better value and affordable option for a Festool drill driver.

As a reminder, all Festool power tools (including batteries and chargers) come with a comprehensive 3-year warranty that covers wear and tear while including free shipping to and from the repair center if needed. This is a great value, and it's virtually unheard of for a warranty to cover wear and tear.

PRE-ORDER NOW!





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Sign me up for a impact!!


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Pre order link not working.  Just takes you to a page showing new products which does not include the impact


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Pre order link not working.  Just takes you to a page showing new products which does not include the impact

@ForumMFG  Try this link - Festool TID 18 Impact Driver or refresh your browser.
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I see it now, the original link is also working


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Wow. The page also shows a new HKC that looks like a jigsaw.

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Wow. The page also shows a new HKC that looks like a jigsaw.

Lol, oops, fixed  [embarassed]
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Wow. The page also shows a new HKC that looks like a jigsaw.

Lol, oops, fixed  [embarassed]

I think you are going to be busy with this one?  🤓

I have a few questions.

C18, TID 18 Combo kit?

4.0 compact batteries or 3.1?

Any images of the combo inserts yet?

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C18, TID 18 Combo kit?

4.0 compact batteries or 3.1?

Any images of the combo inserts yet?

@Samo

No combo kits with the C18 unfortunately.

Festool is transitioning all cordless tools that used to come with 3.1Ah to 4.0Ah batteries. The new kits have 4.0Ah batteries. Some of the kits that have saws have 5.2Ah batteries.

The PDC + TID and T18 + TID kits share a single Systainer. I think I saw a photo of the inside of the Sys³ with these two drills, let me see if I can find a photo for you. The 4-tool kits will come in multiple Systainers.
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Hey Shane - on the ToolNut site it says 3.1 batteries: "Festool 576480 TID 18 Cordless 18V Impact Driver PLUS 3.1Ah Kit"

The 4.0ah batteries sound great.  I've been holding out on getting new batteries.

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Hey Shane - on the ToolNut site it says 3.1 batteries: "Festool 576480 TID 18 Cordless 18V Impact Driver PLUS 3.1Ah Kit"

The 4.0ah batteries sound great.  I've been holding out on getting new batteries.

@jarbroen, yes, this is my mistake and it has been corrected.

The new Festool 4.0Ah battery is also available separately.
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Does the purchase come with a bit holder/adapter for the chuck like most of their drills have in the past? I dont see it in the description?

If not, is there one that can handle both standard drivers AND centrotec?

Pre-order placed! Ive been waiting for a festool impact for a long time.  My 10 year old makita has served me well and is about to be retired. 


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Wow! $199  you ‘mericans got it good in this one.

And what’s this about the T18 Easy? Is this another rare example of OAINA? (Only available in North America)
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Does the purchase come with a bit holder/adapter for the chuck like most of their drills have in the past? I dont see it in the description?

If not, is there one that can handle both standard drivers AND centrotec?

@ForumMFG the Festool impact driver uses standard 1/4" hex bits, no adapter or bit holder required. Festool has some impact-ready bits available and there are also bits in lengths up to at least 6" available from other brands.
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I didn't investigate this tool because I figured it would be at least a year before it got to the US, but has there been any discussion about why the TID is better than other brands' impact drivers? (Other than it is Festool and uses the same batteries). In particular, I'm curious about how loud it is compared to other impacts, specifically the "Surge" type hydraulic impacts. Thanks!

@elfick replying in this thread to keep it with the topic of the TID 18.

There's nothing in Festool's communication to indicate that the TID 18 uses oil or some other method for reducing noise like the SURGE series from another brand.
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@elfick replying in this thread to keep it with the topic of the TID 18.

There's nothing in Festool's communication to indicate that the TID 18 uses oil or some other method for reducing noise like the SURGE series from another brand.
Thanks for the quick response Shane!
Do you know if they have published noise specs?
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From my minimal lockdown usage, the festool TID is no quieter than the average impact driver.

It’s very similar in weight and form as the std 18v Makita impact that has been common for 5+ years.

It does feel quite refined in usage. I’ve been picking it up around the house for some very small screws and it’s been perfectly delicate in power delivery.

But I think that ultimately there is no reason to buy this other than already owning the festool battery platform and wanting to add an impact driver to your kit. But that’s fine by me. Although I’d have preferred a ‘quiet’ one :)
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Thanks for the quick response Shane!
Do you know if they have published noise specs?
Thanks!

@elfick from the UK website:

Fastening: Uncertainty (noise) K   3.00 dB
Fastening: Uncertainty (vibration) K   4.00 m/s²
Fastening: A-weighted sound pressure level, LpA   97.00 dB(A)
Fastening: Total vibration average, Ah   24.00 m/s²
Fastening: A-weighted sound power level, LWA   108.00 dB(A)
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@Shane Holland , how long are the package deals going to be around for?

Here's where Festool screwed the pooch...  If they had shipped the Kapex package deals when they said they would, then I would have had that almost a month ago, and maybe taken advantage of one of these packages.  But with the Kapex deals not shipping until August 1 (and I'm not holding my breath) and then the STM shipping October 1, it's way too much $$$ in too short a time. 

Hopefully these package deals will be around for a while.

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@Shane Holland , how long are the package deals going to be around for?

@ADKMedic Andy, the combo kits with the impact are a permanent offering. No end date.
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For anyone interested in the range of Festool drills, here's a video posted only a few days ago going over the various tools. The TID 18 is near the end around the 40-minute mark.

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Will it be possible to get the impact only with the combo systainer?  I already own a PDC and would like to have both drills in one systainer. If I recall Festool offered something like that in the past.
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Will it be possible to get the impact only with the combo systainer?  I already own a PDC and would like to have both drills in one systainer. If I recall Festool offered something like that in the past.

@Bhend18 Festool USA offers the inserts as spare parts. HOWEVER, the Systainer3 is not available in the U.S. separately at the moment. So, eventually, you would be able to get both. No ETA on the new Systainers at this time.
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been waiting on this to get into the Festool 18v game...seems like the "deal" is to get the t18 e with batteries and then buy the TID bare.  Two systainers, and still cheaper than the T18/TID set...am I missing something? 

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been waiting on this to get into the Festool 18v game...seems like the "deal" is to get the t18 e with batteries and then buy the TID bare.  Two systainers, and still cheaper than the T18/TID set...am I missing something?

@rexdp10 The T18 E (Easy) does not support the Centrotec chuck system. The chuck is fixed and cannot be removed. So, it's not identical to the T18 that comes in the combo kit. If you don't need the interchangeable chucks, the T18 E may be the right choice for you.
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Will it be possible to get the impact only with the combo systainer?  I already own a PDC and would like to have both drills in one systainer. If I recall Festool offered something like that in the past.

@Bhend18 Festool USA offers the inserts as spare parts. HOWEVER, the Systainer3 is not available in the U.S. separately at the moment. So, eventually, you would be able to get both. No ETA on the new Systainers at this time.

Will the insert fit the T-Loc systainer?
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Will the insert fit the T-Loc systainer?

@Bhend18 I am going to have to ask some of our forum friends to answer this question. I'm not 100% sure of the compatibility between T-LOC and Sys Gen 3 inserts. I know the footprint is the same but unsure if any internal changes would be an issue. Or, potentially the height which has changed.

Maybe @DerickC or @Festool USA can answer including potential availability of the insert as a spare part.
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These prices are in line with massive multinationals, hundreds of times the size of Festool, that are large enough to spread smaller margins and manufacture in countries with low wages and minimal health, safety and environmental regulations.   I’m very impressed. 


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Will it be possible to get the impact only with the combo systainer?  I already own a PDC and would like to have both drills in one systainer. If I recall Festool offered something like that in the past.

@Bhend18 Festool USA offers the inserts as spare parts. HOWEVER, the Systainer3 is not available in the U.S. separately at the moment. So, eventually, you would be able to get both. No ETA on the new Systainers at this time.

Will the insert fit the T-Loc systainer?

The insert for my TID 18 will fit into a T-loc Systainer. It’s very tight, but no damage was done inserting and removing it.
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been waiting on this to get into the Festool 18v game...seems like the "deal" is to get the t18 e with batteries and then buy the TID bare.  Two systainers, and still cheaper than the T18/TID set...am I missing something?

@rexdp10 The T18 E (Easy) does not support the Centrotec chuck system. The chuck is fixed and cannot be removed. So, it's not identical to the T18 that comes in the combo kit. If you don't need the interchangeable chucks, the T18 E may be the right choice for you.

The TID + T18 bundle seems a bit odd - you get the drill with the FastFix interface but only the keyless chuck, not the offset, right angle or even Centrotec.  To me it seems like a bundle with the TID and T18E (fixed keyless chuck) would make more sense especially for the U.S. & Canada market where Centrotec bits are much less common than conventional round or hex shank bits.

As best I can tell the only way to get the TID + T18E is to get each separately, maybe one set and one bare tool.  But you end up paying for an additional Systainer and I am not sure if either of the separate items has an insert suitable for both tools.


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These prices are in line with massive multinationals, hundreds of times the size of Festool, that are large enough to spread smaller margins and manufacture in countries with low wages and minimal health, safety and environmental regulations.   I’m very impressed.

Wow the prices are amazing! The Drill kit prices are less Dollars than our UK prices in Pounds! And that’s after the notable dealer discount!

Examples:

TID18 & T18 kit:
US Price $549
UK Price £584  /  RRP £756

TID18 & PDC kit:
US Price $599
UK Price £723  /  RRP £928

There seems to be some slight variation in what comes with it, mostly that we still have the 3.1ah batteries in some kits.

It’s suddenly clear why the festool Impact took so long I think. Drills and impacts really are the key to getting people to buy your cordless tools, unless it’sa very specialised tool. Until now festool haven’t been able to persuade many people because of their expensive drills and no impact driver.
To make a sales pitch as big as the one they’re about to make in the US this July, I reckon  they’ve spent the last few years hammering the junk out of their impact driver to make absolutely sure the whole investment isn’t based around a weak link that will break them in repair costs.
They’ve mentioned toughness several times in the TID marketing material too.

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Yes you guys are getting an absolute bargain.

I just paid almost as much in the UK for a body only Makita impact (not even their flagship model) as you guys are paying for the body only Festool impact and you get a systainer thrown in  [crying]

If our prices were the same in the UK I would be back on the Festool cordless platform.

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The web page says, 'Bare Tool' for $199, but shows it with a Systainer.


Does it ship with a Systainer, @Shane Holland ?


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The web page says, 'Bare Tool' for $199, but shows it with a Systainer.

Does it ship with a Systainer, @Shane Holland ?

Yes, sir, it comes with a Systainer for $199. Bare tool is our language for saying no batteries or charger. @neilc
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@Shane Holland,

If I buy the basic, will my bateries for the C12/C18 work with this impact?

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Hi -

If you're looking at more than one of these drills - it is worth your while to study the combinations, as the upcharge for the "plus" kits (which include two batteries and a charger) varies from product to product....

For example - T18+3 Easy plus bought with TID Basic would cost $498. Buying T18+3 Easy Basic and TID 18 Plus would cost $548 - and you get exactly the same products either way.

The T18+3 Plus kit is really the odd man out here, at $499. For $498, you could get the TID18 and the T18+3 Easy with two batteries and a charger. This is the best deal (I think).

Or, for $549 - you can get the T18+3 and the TID with two batteries and a charger.... but only one chuck between the two drills, and both in the SYS3 M 237. I don't really see the appeal of this kit. A second chuck will set you back $40-80, and both chucks that would come with either T18+3 kit would add $118 (total cost $667) which is more than buying the TID 18 plus kit and the T18+3 basic kit at $648 - which would come in two SYS3 M 187's.

Hopefully I got all the model numbers and prices correct... it isn't very intuitive to work out, and the nomenclature chosen sure doesn't help....

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Yes you guys are getting an absolute bargain.

I just paid almost as much in the UK for a body only Makita impact (not even their flagship model) as you guys are paying for the body only Festool impact and you get a systainer thrown in  [crying]

If our prices were the same in the UK I would be back on the Festool cordless platform.

I just paid almost $200 for the XDT16/DTD171 in December and anything longer than a 50mm bit starts doing windmills.


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Hi -

If you're looking at more than one of these drills - it is worth your while to study the combinations, as the upcharge for the "plus" kits (which include two batteries and a charger) varies from product to product....

For example - T18+3 Easy plus bought with TID Basic would cost $498. Buying T18+3 Easy Basic and TID 18 Plus would cost $548 - and you get exactly the same products either way.

The T18+3 Plus kit is really the odd man out here, at $499. For $498, you could get the TID18 and the T18+3 Easy with two batteries and a charger. This is the best deal (I think).

Or, for $549 - you can get the T18+3 and the TID with two batteries and a charger.... but only one chuck between the two drills, and both in the SYS3 M 237. I don't really see the appeal of this kit. A second chuck will set you back $40-80, and both chucks that would come with either T18+3 kit would add $118 (total cost $667) which is more than buying the TID 18 plus kit and the T18+3 basic kit at $648 - which would come in two SYS3 M 187's.

Hopefully I got all the model numbers and prices correct... it isn't very intuitive to work out, and the nomenclature chosen sure doesn't help....

Cheers -

Rob

The way I figured it is:

PDC combo = PDC Kit + impact driver for $50 (save $150)
T18 combo = T18 Kit + impact driver for $50  (save $150)
Impact driver kit = 2 batteries and charger + impact driver for $35 (save $165)

I’m not including the less 1 Systainer into the equation because the $7 insert that holds both a drill and an impact is priceless for onsite/mobile.  Empty Systainers keep going up in price, so I understand why others would look at that differently from a pure dollar value perspective.

The new $499 T18 plus does not come with the right angle and eccentric chuck.  You get the same rohm keyless chuck and centrotec chuck with the T18 basic, plus and impact combo.

In an odd twist, the PDC 18 basic (bare tool) now comes WITH the previously additional $100+
right angle chuck along with the rohm keyless and centrotec.  This is included with the Basic, Plus and Impact combo.   

More confused than before?  [big grin]


EDIT:  Wait a minute.  Do the combination TID18 + T18/PDC18 kits not include a centrotec chuck and bit holder?  They are specifically absent from the photo mock up and from the description.  Festool usually has one of the two incorrect on their products, I know, but...both details leading to an absence..




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Or, for $549 - you can get the T18+3 and the TID with two batteries and a charger.... but only one chuck between the two drills, and both in the SYS3 M 237. I don't really see the appeal of this kit.

Cheers -

Rob

The kit certainly doesn't make sense; why sell the regular T18 with only 1 chuck?  It doesn't highlight the benefit of the replaceable chucks or centrotec.  They would have been better off bundling the T18 easy with the TID 18 and then the price point would be just a bit more then the milwaukee drill/impact kit with 5AH batteries and packout case.  The milwaukee drill and impact are both unrefined so Festool would have a winner to convert people over to their brand.  Seems like a missed opportunity.

What happened to the T18/C18 kits will all the different chucks?  I was waiting for that kit with the updated 4.0 batteries

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Just my luck I bought a TSC 55 Set as a pre-tax season motivation gift to myself for $860, haven't even turned in on and they go and "beat the price increase" by April 1st as i had intended by selling the same saw with an impact for $15 more?

Is the TSC 55 576816 any difference than the 575690 that i purchased?

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Just my luck I bought a TSC 55 Set as a pre-tax season motivation gift to myself for $860, haven't even turned in on and they go and "beat the price increase" by April 1st as i had intended by selling the same saw with an impact for $15 more?

Is the TSC 55 576816 any difference than the 575690 that i purchased?

Hi -

I think the only difference is that you got two chargers with the 575690.... and the 576816 appears to comes with one.... not 100% sure though.

Cheers -

Rob

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I didn't even notice that - thank you

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Can anyone confirm whether or not the drills in the impact kits come with a centrotec chuck and bit holder? Also ran, the carvex and bhc bare tools are coming down in price a tiny bit in case nobody caught that yet.

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Can anyone confirm whether or not the drills in the impact kits come with a centrotec chuck and bit holder?

@yetihunter it will not include a Centrotec chuck or bit holder. Nor will it be compatible with Centrotec chucks.

The TID 18 will be compatible with standard 1/4" hex bits like impact drivers from other brands. No special chuck or bit holder required.

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Hi Shane,  Please clarify a few things about the new 576490 TID 18 and PDC 18 combo kit.

1.  ToolNut website description for the 576490 Combo has the kit coming with two new 4.0 Airstream Compact batteries.  While the picture shows one 4.0 and one 5.2 battery.  Which is correct?

2.  Does the PDC in the 576490 combo kit come with a Centrotec chuck and bit holder or just the Jacobs chuck and right angle adapter?  I understand that the impact is 1/4" hex, but I am asking about the PDC application only.

3. What happened to kits with Airstream batteries coming with the SCA 8 Fan-cooled charger?  It appears the TCL 6 is now what you receive.

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1.  ToolNut website description for the 576490 Combo has the kit coming with two new 4.0 Airstream Compact batteries.  While the picture shows one 4.0 and one 5.2 battery.  Which is correct?

2.  Does the PDC in the 576490 combo kit come with a Centrotec chuck and bit holder or just the Jacobs chuck and right angle adapter?  I understand that the impact is 1/4" hex, but I am asking about the PDC application only.

3. What happened to kits with Airstream batteries coming with the SCA 8 Fan-cooled charger?  It appears the TCL 6 is now what you receive.

@Scott in Bend, glad to answer your questions.

1) Good catch on the photo. The kit comes with two of the 4.0Ah HighPower batteries. Photo has been corrected from the original incorrect photo we were provided. Only saws will come with 5.2Ah moving forward.

2) A Centrotec chuck and bit holder are not provided (see comment below about pricing).

3) Obviously, we have no control over the scope of delivery for provided and Festool doesn't share the reasons for such changes, but I think it's safe to assume this was done to be able to lower the prices. Only the TSC 55 will come with the SCA 8 chargers included.
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2) A Centrotec chuck and bit holder are not provided.....





That is the wikkity wikkity whackest whack in the history of calling things whack.






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The TID 18 will be compatible with standard 1/4" hex bits like impact drivers from other brands. No special chuck or bit holder required.

Shane

Ahh, thats good news, I've kind of avoided Festool drills upto now and part of the reason was the spazzy centrotec thing. Supposedly a better system but nobody local sells it.
The lack of an 18 volt rattle gun has been a massive gaping hole in Festools lineup as impact screwdrivers and drills are often the first tool someone buys.
During the Reagon era it would have been called a "Gateway Drug" and with the prices of the drills and lack of rattle guns Festool weren't getting people started on the Festool ladder.

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Hello, FOG friends, some exciting news!

Festool USA has announced that the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver will be coming to the U.S. marketing on July 1st starting at only $199, pre-order now!


I'm looking at the TID 18 + PSC420 EB combo... Toolnut has a very nice description of the overall contents but I'm wondering if you may have more info on the Sys-1 and how it's layout will be? What exact accessories?
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Hello, FOG friends, some exciting news!

Festool USA has announced that the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver will be coming to the U.S. marketing on July 1st starting at only $199, pre-order now!


I'm looking at the TID 18 + PSC420 EB combo... Toolnut has a very nice description of the overall contents but I'm wondering if you may have more info on the Sys-1 and how it's layout will be? What exact accessories?


It’s just an empty systainer.

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I'm looking at the TID 18 + PSC420 EB combo... Toolnut has a very nice description of the overall contents but I'm wondering if you may have more info on the Sys-1 and how it's layout will be? What exact accessories?

@Staniam, like Yeti said, it's an empty Systainer. The accessories included are listed on our website, but for the jigsaw it's a 25-pack of blades.

Includes:

(1) TID 18 Impact Driver
(1) PSC 420 Carvex Jigsaw
(2) 18V Li 4.0Ah HighPower Bluetooth Battery Packs
(1) TCL 6 Rapid Charger
(1) 25-Piece Jigsaw Blade Assortment
(1) Belt Clip
(1) Systainer³ M 187 for TID 18 Impact Driver
(1) Systainer T-LOC SYS 3 for PSC 420 Jigsaw
(1) Systainer T-LOC SYS 1 for Accessories
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Are there any internal pictures of the TID/PDC combo systainer?

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Are there any internal pictures of the TID/PDC combo systainer?

@elfick this is the closest thing I can find quickly.
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For anyone who missed the live broadcast yesterday, here's the video with Festool USA's Brian Sedgeley. Reminder that you can now pre-order the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver and other new products including T 18 E Drill at toolnut.com or festoolproducts.com.

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Shane, are the cordless tool packages limited release or permanent packages?

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Shane, are the cordless tool packages limited release or permanent packages?

@NVA_WW, great question. The packages are permanent offerings.
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Regarding oil pulse impact drivers, they are quieter but less powerful than the non oil equivalents.

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Shane, are the cordless tool packages limited release or permanent packages?

@NVA_WW, great question. The packages are permanent offerings.
Awesome!

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Shane, are the combo kits unaffected by the July 1 prize increase? Your page doesn’t indicate any change in prize. That would basically make them a better deal compared to now. Thanks.

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Shane, are the combo kits unaffected by the July 1 price increase? Your page doesn’t indicate any change in prize. That would basically make them a better deal compared to now. Thanks.

@Josh2 the new cordless combo kits, the new TID 18 impact driver, and the new T18 E are not going to see price increases. Those prices will remain the same after 7/1. Great question.
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Reminder that Festool USA has announced that the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver will be coming to the U.S. on July 1st starting at only $199, pre-order now!

PRE-ORDER NOW!

With the new TID 18 also comes seven combo kits which include the impact driver and one or more other tools, offering a savings of up to $499 versus purchasing separately.

Also, we're getting a new version of the T 18 with a permanent fixed keyless chuck called the T 18 E (Easy). It is not compatible with Centrotec chucks and the included chuck cannot be removed. For those who do not need the capability offered by the Centrotec chucks, this will offer a better value and affordable option for a Festool drill driver.

As a reminder, all Festool power tools (including batteries and chargers) come with a comprehensive 3-year warranty that covers wear and tear while including free shipping to and from the repair center if needed. This is a great value, and it's virtually unheard of for a warranty to cover wear and tear.

PRE-ORDER NOW!





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Just announced by Festool USA:  [sad]

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Due to supply chain challenges, we regret to inform you that the Cordless Jigsaws (PSC, PSBC) and their various versions are delayed – including the PRO Finish Pack. We expect to be able to ship those items starting in early August. We apologize for any inconvenience.

This will include any new combo kit (205603) that includes the jigsaws, as well.
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Reminder, the new Festool TID 18 impact driver begins shipping in just 4 days. Pre-order and reserve yours now! We don't charge your card until it ships.
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Re: [NEW] Festool TID 18 Impact Driver - IN STOCK (US)
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2020, 02:37 PM »
Good afternoon, FOG friends.

Curious to see what the opinions are of the folks who preordered the Festool TID 18 Impact Driver and now have it in their hands.

If you didn't get one already, we have them in stock with free shipping.

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To Shane's question...  The new TID 18 feels great in the hand like all of their drills. I like the feel better than my Milwaukee Surge and Dewalt Impact. The new systainer seems really nice as well. I actually like the new design. My only fault with the TID is the runout is way worse than I was expecting. The centrotec drills I own don't have hardly any runout. I assumed going to the standard bit holder would have some but it's actually worse than my other impacts. Shouldn't be a big deal driving long screws but the shorter screws will probably struggle with how much it has.

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The runout was why I was looking forward to the TID18 and I concur, Festool delivered an impact driver with waaaaay more runout than any of my other impacts.   [mad] I first used it with a 70mm wera rapidaptor and my god, the windmills.  It was a horrible first impression and a huge disappointment coming from Festool.  It’s literally their thing, y’know?

The whole front end slides back and forth, too (the fan isn’t moving back and forth, so seems just from the hammer/impact mechanism and down the shaft to the bit holder).  I pick it up and hear a clunk as it slides either back or forward.  Again, none of my Chinese home store impacts do this. 

The belt clip is thin, pliable garbage.  It’s not deburred, either, but it does have a captive screw.  [blink]

That’s the negative nancy material up front.

In actual use, sweating bucketloads in the sun and stinking up my Thorogoods, I haven’t paid attention to that stuff (keeping the length down to 2”/50mm power bits and 2”/50mm bit holders).  The trigger doesn’t blast off like a Makita.  It’s closer to a PDC/C18/T18 and so it at least shows off in that area.  Initially, I found it to be poorly balanced, slippery and uncomfortable.  The flush over-molding has “worn in” and so it isn’t sliding around in my hand anymore resulting in those thoughts going away. 

The driving power is there.  I was expecting it to be less powerful and so I am pleasantly surprised. 

Outside of the issues I mentioned, the build quality, fit and finish is all good.  Despite the play, the bit retaining chuck is heavy duty with nice knurling on the ball detent release collar.  You can hear a nice affirmative “ca-chunk” when you push a power bit in.  The speed selector feels to be a true (albeit tiny) mechanical switch underneath the rubbery plastic as opposed to the membrane panels on some competitor products.

Since the other manufacturers have no common sense, Festool scores an easy win once again with magnetic bit storage built into the housing.  This is a huge deal for me at my job as I am frequently faced with repairing something that has been “fixed” many times over across four or five decades with zero consistencies.  I honestly often find slotted, phillips, robertson and torx screws mixed together in a hodge podge on individual wall fixtures, jambs, furnaces, railings and so on.

The systainer should have been a smaller size but, as a positive, this allows room for fasteners and other miscellany of the moment and the TID18 is controllable enough that I can do without carrying another driver.  Meaning, it’s a lightweight package that fits a box of anchors or screws. All of the other drills and impacts are in combo drawer systainers with attic lids, loaded with accessories (including socket sets).  I usually pull what I need from them atm while the TID18 systainer I’ve been carrying around.  The side handle built into the new and very much improved systainer has a lot to do with that, too.

Just to make sure everyone is on the same page as me: the new systainers are absolutely excellent.

I obviously haven’t had the impact long enough to give a true opinion on it, but I do say it is growing on me.   It may turn out to be my favourite.  Earlier in another post I rated it behind the Makita and Bosch I’m currently running but I’m putting it ahead of the bosch now (not counting the socket capability) and it’s kind of getting neck and neck with the Makita on personal preference. 


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The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

Jack

The runout was why I was looking forward to the TID18 and I concur, Festool delivered an impact driver with waaaaay more runout than any of my other impacts.   [mad] I first used it with a 70mm wera rapidaptor and my god, the windmills.  It was a horrible first impression and a huge disappointment coming from Festool.  It’s literally their thing, y’know?

The whole front end slides back and forth, too (the fan isn’t moving back and forth, so seems just from the hammer/impact mechanism and down the shaft to the bit holder).  I pick it up and hear a clunk as it slides either back or forward.  Again, none of my Chinese home store impacts do this. 

The belt clip is thin, pliable garbage.  It’s not deburred, either, but it does have a captive screw.  [blink]

That’s the negative nancy material up front.

In actual use, sweating bucketloads in the sun and stinking up my Thorogoods, I haven’t paid attention to that stuff (keeping the length down to 2”/50mm power bits and 2”/50mm bit holders).  The trigger doesn’t blast off like a Makita.  It’s closer to a PDC/C18/T18 and so it at least shows off in that area.  Initially, I found it to be poorly balanced, slippery and uncomfortable.  The flush over-molding has “worn in” and so it isn’t sliding around in my hand anymore resulting in those thoughts going away. 

The driving power is there.  I was expecting it to be less powerful and so I am pleasantly surprised. 

Outside of the issues I mentioned, the build quality, fit and finish is all good.  Despite the play, the bit retaining chuck is heavy duty with nice knurling on the ball detent release collar.  You can hear a nice affirmative “ca-chunk” when you push a power bit in.  The speed selector feels to be a true (albeit tiny) mechanical switch underneath the rubbery plastic as opposed to the membrane panels on some competitor products.

Since the other manufacturers have no common sense, Festool scores an easy win once again with magnetic bit storage built into the housing.  This is a huge deal for me at my job as I am frequently faced with repairing something that has been “fixed” many times over across four or five decades with zero consistencies.  I honestly often find slotted, phillips, robertson and torx screws mixed together in a hodge podge on individual wall fixtures, jambs, furnaces, railings and so on.

The systainer should have been a smaller size but, as a positive, this allows room for fasteners and other miscellany of the moment and the TID18 is controllable enough that I can do without carrying another driver.  Meaning, it’s a lightweight package that fits a box of anchors or screws. All of the other drills and impacts are in combo drawer systainers with attic lids, loaded with accessories (including socket sets).  I usually pull what I need from them atm while the TID18 systainer I’ve been carrying around.  The side handle built into the new and very much improved systainer has a lot to do with that, too.

Just to make sure everyone is on the same page as me: the new systainers are absolutely excellent.

I obviously haven’t had the impact long enough to give a true opinion on it, but I do say it is growing on me.   It may turn out to be my favourite.  Earlier in another post I rated it behind the Makita and Bosch I’m currently running but I’m putting it ahead of the bosch now (not counting the socket capability) and it’s kind of getting neck and neck with the Makita on personal preference.

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I like the new systainer3 more than the impact driver. 

The TID18 features are now where my 4-year old Makita XDT12 was back when.  Plus, the TID18 is larger than the Makita XDT12.  No runout problems with the TID18 using 2" power bits.  Most bit extensions tend to not run true and wobble to some degree.  That is not the fault of the driver.

The new Festool 4.0 Ah battery is awesome and is perfect on the T18 and PDC drills.  I really just bought the TID18 kit to get the 4.0 batteries.  Too bad the cooling fan-equipped SCA 8 Air Stream charger is not included in many of the new kits.  I guess using the TCL 6 was a cost-down decision.

Anyone notice that the new systainer3 has a different shaped T-LOC latch?  The new latches seem to be interchangeable with the original T-LOC latches.


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I like the new systainer3 more than the impact driver. 

The TID18 features are now where my 4-year old Makita XDT12 was back when.  Plus, the TID18 is larger than the Makita XDT12.  No runout problems with the TID18 using 2" power bits.  Most bit extensions tend to not run true and wobble to some degree.  That is not the fault of the driver.

The new Festool 4.0 Ah battery is awesome and is perfect on the T18 and PDC drills.  I really just bought the TID18 kit to get the 4.0 batteries.  Too bad the cooling fan-equipped SCA 8 Air Stream charger is not included in many of the new kits.  I guess using the TCL 6 was a cost-down decision.

Anyone notice that the new systainer3 has a different shaped T-LOC latch?  The new latches seem to be interchangeable with the original T-LOC latches.

One of the criteria for the new tloc designs is so that their customers (b2b, not retail) can specify two tone tloc catches and have it appear classy.  It’s a good look. They definitely looked at what everyone else was doing and responded accordingly (which is great).

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I’ve been running three impacts the past hour only for comparison’s sake and it’s kind of sad how outclassed the Festool is.  It’s last in class in power and last in class in precision.  I’m one handing pozidriv screws with the others.  Trying that with the TID18 and the bit falls out after the screw decides to wander.  Runout is that bad. Tried it with torx.  Bit doesn’t fall out but only the Festool sends my had on an orbital ride while starting a screw that can’t go straight.

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One of the criteria for the new tloc designs is so that their customers (b2b, not retail) can specify two tone tloc catches and have it appear classy.  It’s a good look. They definitely looked at what everyone else was doing and responded accordingly (which is great).

  The "old" T-Loc latch is two pieces as well. The flat center pops out.


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Yes, but it looks weird when you mix two colors.  [big grin]

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Festool's pricing is all over the place.  I'm scratching my head over why you can buy either the TID18 or T 18+3  (without batteries and charger) for $199.00, but if you get the set which includes the two batteries and charger plus a belt clip, the TID18 is $349 while the T18+3 is $299.00? if both are priced at $199.00 without them, can Festool please explain why the extra $49.00 for the TID18?

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My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

@Claimdude — did you mean to say TID18? I wonder if we could do an accurate  comparison. I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

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Festool's pricing is all over the place.  I'm scratching my head over why you can buy either the TID18 or T 18+3  (without batteries and charger) for $199.00, but if you get the set which includes the two batteries and charger plus a belt clip, the TID18 is $349 while the T18+3 is $299.00? if both are priced at $199.00 without them, can Festool please explain why the extra $49.00 for the TID18?
@alfonsoc I think you mean the T18+3E, the T18+3 starts at $299... but still a fair question/point.

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Yes I meant TID18. Sure we can compare. Let me know what you want.

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My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

@Claimdude — did you mean to say TID18? I wonder if we could do an accurate  comparison. I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

Jack


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I agree...pricing is all over the place. Also, why is the Vecturo kit without batteries and charger $599 but with, it is $799? That is a $200 dollar difference. You have to pay attention to the different configurations.

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An employee recently bought one (combo), and after a few days returned them for refund. I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

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An employee recently bought one (combo), and after a few days returned them for refund. I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

I mean, the Festool/Protool drills actually are almost twenty years old, aren’t they? 😁
To be fair if you want to do what the T18 and C18 do, they still do that better than the attempts from Bosch, Fein, Metabo and Milwaukee. 



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My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

You should print that out on a t-shirt. 

I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

Well, the good news is that their turnaround is about one day.  They were lightning fast at repairing a brand new of2200 before I had a chance to turn it on, a brand new Kapex before I had a chance to turn it on, a Pro 5 after using it for ten seconds and.....well, let’s just say they’re fantastic at making lemons into lemonade. 

I didn’t purchase mine from Toolnut, but if you did, I’m confident that they can help walk you through the process.

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I send my TID18 to the Service. A lot of noise in gears + runout.

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I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

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So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

Anti-kickback. Bosch has it, I believe Makita has it too. It's a really nice feature. C15/T15 is powerful enough to damage your wrist under certain circumstances.

Better LED light that doesn't fade the moment you release the trigger.

Also, I wish Festool would add stronger magnets to their magnetic storage. While bits feel somewhat secure on my C15, on the CXS they often fall out of the storage area. Milwaukee's multidriver has way stronger magnets in comparison.


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I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

Batteries are way too big, and many of the drill bodies too long, I know that some can have angled attachments etc, as an all day every day user, I just want something I can pickup and used in all situations. The LED’s aren’t anything special either.
I have other makes of drill/drivers that have built in anti kick back, total torque control and many other features that Festool seem to have over looked.

I love most of the Festool range but, just don’t rate their drills, cordless or mains, never have. Similarly, I don’t like Metabo drills either.
I have a vast amount of drills and drivers of all types, they get used in every sense of the word, every day, and on site usually all day. We have been lucky to have had no issues at all with drills, only replacing batteries when the time comes. When we upgrade, our old drills are still working perfectly.
Why would I try and fix a problem that doesn’t exist, going to a product I’m not over excited about.
When I look and hold even the latest Festool drills, they resemble and feel like drills I was using 15-20 years ago.
I spoke to two Festool reps at a tool fair last year, they asked me if I would take part in a survey in exchange for a goody bag. I agreed and would have done so without the goodies.

So, we got to the survey which was mainly drills. My comments were on the same lines as I have made here.
One if the guys was reading my notes as the other put a goody bag together.
I said no offence but, these are my thoughts, and show him I wasn’t a Festool basher, I showed him my Festool warranty list of tools, which adds up to a lot of money.
He said no problem, and told me half of the survey that day and from other days, listed the dislikes I mentioned. He said it helps them develop tools that are what people like and need. So I was a bit surprised to see the latest offerings. Sure there may well be people that love them, or even buy them because they will look no further than Festool.

I meet many Festool owner users on sites, and when any conversation gets to drills, they tell me how great they are. Some of them have never used anything but Festool drills, so you could say this is total faith in a product, or you could say, they don’t know any different as they have never dared buy a tool without a Festool badge on it, and are in no position to judge or compare.
Most of the power tools I buy now, are Festool or Mafell, simply because any employees I of mine, have and prefer to use their own tools, apart from an apprentice. Which is how it should be.

Many of them, have a lot of Festool kit, one who does the majority of kitchen fitting, has just about every tool Festool ever made, including many drills, he loves them!
Each to their own eh?  [wink]

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No perceptible run out on my TID 18. So it’s not the standard for the tool, sorry to hear some of you are having this issue.

On a side note, I found today that the TID 18 will not trigger my CTL Mini over Bluetooth. I occasionally use a drill as the remote trigger as I walk around doing clean up and today I discovered that the TID18 will not pair or trigger an already paired battery. The battery was my first Bluetooth, received in promotion with the TID 18 this year. I put the battery in my c18 and all went as normal. . . Slightly weird, not that an impact really needs this functionality. .
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Offline DzordanoBruno

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My promo battery was dead. BT didnt work, didnt work with TCL3, red blinkink light. I send it 3weeks ago. Yestarday arrived New battery from Service. It works now:) But my impact dont.

Offline Shane Holland

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.

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Offline grobkuschelig

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.
Thank you Shane!

Would you be so kind to share the part number of the insert?

Offline Shane Holland

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.
Thank you Shane!

Would you be so kind to share the part number of the insert?

@DerickC @Festool USA can you please provide a part number for the TID/T18 combo kit insert? Thanks!
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Offline yetihunter

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No perceptible run out on my TID 18. So it’s not the standard for the tool, sorry to hear some of you are having this issue.

On a side note, I found today that the TID 18 will not trigger my CTL Mini over Bluetooth. I occasionally use a drill as the remote trigger as I walk around doing clean up and today I discovered that the TID18 will not pair or trigger an already paired battery. The battery was my first Bluetooth, received in promotion with the TID 18 this year. I put the battery in my c18 and all went as normal. . . Slightly weird, not that an impact really needs this functionality. .

That’s the rub.  Literally half the feedback I’ve heard is that it has the worst runout the user has ever experienced.  Likewise, literally half the feedback I’ve heard is that it is the most precise impact driver the user has ever experienced.  Most people don’t have a spare coin to flip right now, let alone the patience to flip said coin. No other power tool manufacturer hands me inconsistencies like this.   Although, I guess you can say Festool has been very consistent about their quality management....