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Offline Shane Holland

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Shane, are the combo kits unaffected by the July 1 price increase? Your page doesn’t indicate any change in prize. That would basically make them a better deal compared to now. Thanks.

@Josh2 the new cordless combo kits, the new TID 18 impact driver, and the new T18 E are not going to see price increases. Those prices will remain the same after 7/1. Great question.
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Reminder that Festool USA has announced that the new Festool TID 18 Impact Driver will be coming to the U.S. on July 1st starting at only $199, pre-order now!

PRE-ORDER NOW!

With the new TID 18 also comes seven combo kits which include the impact driver and one or more other tools, offering a savings of up to $499 versus purchasing separately.

Also, we're getting a new version of the T 18 with a permanent fixed keyless chuck called the T 18 E (Easy). It is not compatible with Centrotec chucks and the included chuck cannot be removed. For those who do not need the capability offered by the Centrotec chucks, this will offer a better value and affordable option for a Festool drill driver.

As a reminder, all Festool power tools (including batteries and chargers) come with a comprehensive 3-year warranty that covers wear and tear while including free shipping to and from the repair center if needed. This is a great value, and it's virtually unheard of for a warranty to cover wear and tear.

PRE-ORDER NOW!





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Just announced by Festool USA:  [sad]

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Due to supply chain challenges, we regret to inform you that the Cordless Jigsaws (PSC, PSBC) and their various versions are delayed – including the PRO Finish Pack. We expect to be able to ship those items starting in early August. We apologize for any inconvenience.

This will include any new combo kit (205603) that includes the jigsaws, as well.
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Reminder, the new Festool TID 18 impact driver begins shipping in just 4 days. Pre-order and reserve yours now! We don't charge your card until it ships.
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Re: [NEW] Festool TID 18 Impact Driver - IN STOCK (US)
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2020, 02:37 PM »
Good afternoon, FOG friends.

Curious to see what the opinions are of the folks who preordered the Festool TID 18 Impact Driver and now have it in their hands.

If you didn't get one already, we have them in stock with free shipping.

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Offline Chance B

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To Shane's question...  The new TID 18 feels great in the hand like all of their drills. I like the feel better than my Milwaukee Surge and Dewalt Impact. The new systainer seems really nice as well. I actually like the new design. My only fault with the TID is the runout is way worse than I was expecting. The centrotec drills I own don't have hardly any runout. I assumed going to the standard bit holder would have some but it's actually worse than my other impacts. Shouldn't be a big deal driving long screws but the shorter screws will probably struggle with how much it has.

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The runout was why I was looking forward to the TID18 and I concur, Festool delivered an impact driver with waaaaay more runout than any of my other impacts.   [mad] I first used it with a 70mm wera rapidaptor and my god, the windmills.  It was a horrible first impression and a huge disappointment coming from Festool.  It’s literally their thing, y’know?

The whole front end slides back and forth, too (the fan isn’t moving back and forth, so seems just from the hammer/impact mechanism and down the shaft to the bit holder).  I pick it up and hear a clunk as it slides either back or forward.  Again, none of my Chinese home store impacts do this. 

The belt clip is thin, pliable garbage.  It’s not deburred, either, but it does have a captive screw.  [blink]

That’s the negative nancy material up front.

In actual use, sweating bucketloads in the sun and stinking up my Thorogoods, I haven’t paid attention to that stuff (keeping the length down to 2”/50mm power bits and 2”/50mm bit holders).  The trigger doesn’t blast off like a Makita.  It’s closer to a PDC/C18/T18 and so it at least shows off in that area.  Initially, I found it to be poorly balanced, slippery and uncomfortable.  The flush over-molding has “worn in” and so it isn’t sliding around in my hand anymore resulting in those thoughts going away. 

The driving power is there.  I was expecting it to be less powerful and so I am pleasantly surprised. 

Outside of the issues I mentioned, the build quality, fit and finish is all good.  Despite the play, the bit retaining chuck is heavy duty with nice knurling on the ball detent release collar.  You can hear a nice affirmative “ca-chunk” when you push a power bit in.  The speed selector feels to be a true (albeit tiny) mechanical switch underneath the rubbery plastic as opposed to the membrane panels on some competitor products.

Since the other manufacturers have no common sense, Festool scores an easy win once again with magnetic bit storage built into the housing.  This is a huge deal for me at my job as I am frequently faced with repairing something that has been “fixed” many times over across four or five decades with zero consistencies.  I honestly often find slotted, phillips, robertson and torx screws mixed together in a hodge podge on individual wall fixtures, jambs, furnaces, railings and so on.

The systainer should have been a smaller size but, as a positive, this allows room for fasteners and other miscellany of the moment and the TID18 is controllable enough that I can do without carrying another driver.  Meaning, it’s a lightweight package that fits a box of anchors or screws. All of the other drills and impacts are in combo drawer systainers with attic lids, loaded with accessories (including socket sets).  I usually pull what I need from them atm while the TID18 systainer I’ve been carrying around.  The side handle built into the new and very much improved systainer has a lot to do with that, too.

Just to make sure everyone is on the same page as me: the new systainers are absolutely excellent.

I obviously haven’t had the impact long enough to give a true opinion on it, but I do say it is growing on me.   It may turn out to be my favourite.  Earlier in another post I rated it behind the Makita and Bosch I’m currently running but I’m putting it ahead of the bosch now (not counting the socket capability) and it’s kind of getting neck and neck with the Makita on personal preference. 


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The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

Jack

The runout was why I was looking forward to the TID18 and I concur, Festool delivered an impact driver with waaaaay more runout than any of my other impacts.   [mad] I first used it with a 70mm wera rapidaptor and my god, the windmills.  It was a horrible first impression and a huge disappointment coming from Festool.  It’s literally their thing, y’know?

The whole front end slides back and forth, too (the fan isn’t moving back and forth, so seems just from the hammer/impact mechanism and down the shaft to the bit holder).  I pick it up and hear a clunk as it slides either back or forward.  Again, none of my Chinese home store impacts do this. 

The belt clip is thin, pliable garbage.  It’s not deburred, either, but it does have a captive screw.  [blink]

That’s the negative nancy material up front.

In actual use, sweating bucketloads in the sun and stinking up my Thorogoods, I haven’t paid attention to that stuff (keeping the length down to 2”/50mm power bits and 2”/50mm bit holders).  The trigger doesn’t blast off like a Makita.  It’s closer to a PDC/C18/T18 and so it at least shows off in that area.  Initially, I found it to be poorly balanced, slippery and uncomfortable.  The flush over-molding has “worn in” and so it isn’t sliding around in my hand anymore resulting in those thoughts going away. 

The driving power is there.  I was expecting it to be less powerful and so I am pleasantly surprised. 

Outside of the issues I mentioned, the build quality, fit and finish is all good.  Despite the play, the bit retaining chuck is heavy duty with nice knurling on the ball detent release collar.  You can hear a nice affirmative “ca-chunk” when you push a power bit in.  The speed selector feels to be a true (albeit tiny) mechanical switch underneath the rubbery plastic as opposed to the membrane panels on some competitor products.

Since the other manufacturers have no common sense, Festool scores an easy win once again with magnetic bit storage built into the housing.  This is a huge deal for me at my job as I am frequently faced with repairing something that has been “fixed” many times over across four or five decades with zero consistencies.  I honestly often find slotted, phillips, robertson and torx screws mixed together in a hodge podge on individual wall fixtures, jambs, furnaces, railings and so on.

The systainer should have been a smaller size but, as a positive, this allows room for fasteners and other miscellany of the moment and the TID18 is controllable enough that I can do without carrying another driver.  Meaning, it’s a lightweight package that fits a box of anchors or screws. All of the other drills and impacts are in combo drawer systainers with attic lids, loaded with accessories (including socket sets).  I usually pull what I need from them atm while the TID18 systainer I’ve been carrying around.  The side handle built into the new and very much improved systainer has a lot to do with that, too.

Just to make sure everyone is on the same page as me: the new systainers are absolutely excellent.

I obviously haven’t had the impact long enough to give a true opinion on it, but I do say it is growing on me.   It may turn out to be my favourite.  Earlier in another post I rated it behind the Makita and Bosch I’m currently running but I’m putting it ahead of the bosch now (not counting the socket capability) and it’s kind of getting neck and neck with the Makita on personal preference.

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I like the new systainer3 more than the impact driver. 

The TID18 features are now where my 4-year old Makita XDT12 was back when.  Plus, the TID18 is larger than the Makita XDT12.  No runout problems with the TID18 using 2" power bits.  Most bit extensions tend to not run true and wobble to some degree.  That is not the fault of the driver.

The new Festool 4.0 Ah battery is awesome and is perfect on the T18 and PDC drills.  I really just bought the TID18 kit to get the 4.0 batteries.  Too bad the cooling fan-equipped SCA 8 Air Stream charger is not included in many of the new kits.  I guess using the TCL 6 was a cost-down decision.

Anyone notice that the new systainer3 has a different shaped T-LOC latch?  The new latches seem to be interchangeable with the original T-LOC latches.


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I like the new systainer3 more than the impact driver. 

The TID18 features are now where my 4-year old Makita XDT12 was back when.  Plus, the TID18 is larger than the Makita XDT12.  No runout problems with the TID18 using 2" power bits.  Most bit extensions tend to not run true and wobble to some degree.  That is not the fault of the driver.

The new Festool 4.0 Ah battery is awesome and is perfect on the T18 and PDC drills.  I really just bought the TID18 kit to get the 4.0 batteries.  Too bad the cooling fan-equipped SCA 8 Air Stream charger is not included in many of the new kits.  I guess using the TCL 6 was a cost-down decision.

Anyone notice that the new systainer3 has a different shaped T-LOC latch?  The new latches seem to be interchangeable with the original T-LOC latches.

One of the criteria for the new tloc designs is so that their customers (b2b, not retail) can specify two tone tloc catches and have it appear classy.  It’s a good look. They definitely looked at what everyone else was doing and responded accordingly (which is great).

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I’ve been running three impacts the past hour only for comparison’s sake and it’s kind of sad how outclassed the Festool is.  It’s last in class in power and last in class in precision.  I’m one handing pozidriv screws with the others.  Trying that with the TID18 and the bit falls out after the screw decides to wander.  Runout is that bad. Tried it with torx.  Bit doesn’t fall out but only the Festool sends my had on an orbital ride while starting a screw that can’t go straight.

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One of the criteria for the new tloc designs is so that their customers (b2b, not retail) can specify two tone tloc catches and have it appear classy.  It’s a good look. They definitely looked at what everyone else was doing and responded accordingly (which is great).

  The "old" T-Loc latch is two pieces as well. The flat center pops out.


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Yes, but it looks weird when you mix two colors.  [big grin]

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Festool's pricing is all over the place.  I'm scratching my head over why you can buy either the TID18 or T 18+3  (without batteries and charger) for $199.00, but if you get the set which includes the two batteries and charger plus a belt clip, the TID18 is $349 while the T18+3 is $299.00? if both are priced at $199.00 without them, can Festool please explain why the extra $49.00 for the TID18?

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My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

@Claimdude — did you mean to say TID18? I wonder if we could do an accurate  comparison. I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

Jack


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Festool's pricing is all over the place.  I'm scratching my head over why you can buy either the TID18 or T 18+3  (without batteries and charger) for $199.00, but if you get the set which includes the two batteries and charger plus a belt clip, the TID18 is $349 while the T18+3 is $299.00? if both are priced at $199.00 without them, can Festool please explain why the extra $49.00 for the TID18?
@alfonsoc I think you mean the T18+3E, the T18+3 starts at $299... but still a fair question/point.

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Yes I meant TID18. Sure we can compare. Let me know what you want.

Jack
My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

@Claimdude — did you mean to say TID18? I wonder if we could do an accurate  comparison. I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

The runout on my TI18 is minimal and likely due to the use of the universal 1/4" chuck. Run out has been a pet peave of mine and is a main reason I have 4 or 5 Festool drills. I have sent 2 back when received because of run out but received replacements that met my criteria. I would send mine back if the run out was bad. I think Festool knocked a home run on this tool!

Jack


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I agree...pricing is all over the place. Also, why is the Vecturo kit without batteries and charger $599 but with, it is $799? That is a $200 dollar difference. You have to pay attention to the different configurations.

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An employee recently bought one (combo), and after a few days returned them for refund. I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

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An employee recently bought one (combo), and after a few days returned them for refund. I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

I mean, the Festool/Protool drills actually are almost twenty years old, aren’t they? 😁
To be fair if you want to do what the T18 and C18 do, they still do that better than the attempts from Bosch, Fein, Metabo and Milwaukee. 



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My TID18 has terrible run out also. It makes DeWalt look good.

You should print that out on a t-shirt. 

I’m debating whether or not to send mine in as warranty or to return on the 30 day guarantee. 

Well, the good news is that their turnaround is about one day.  They were lightning fast at repairing a brand new of2200 before I had a chance to turn it on, a brand new Kapex before I had a chance to turn it on, a Pro 5 after using it for ten seconds and.....well, let’s just say they’re fantastic at making lemons into lemonade. 

I didn’t purchase mine from Toolnut, but if you did, I’m confident that they can help walk you through the process.

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I send my TID18 to the Service. A lot of noise in gears + runout.

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I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

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So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

Anti-kickback. Bosch has it, I believe Makita has it too. It's a really nice feature. C15/T15 is powerful enough to damage your wrist under certain circumstances.

Better LED light that doesn't fade the moment you release the trigger.

Also, I wish Festool would add stronger magnets to their magnetic storage. While bits feel somewhat secure on my C15, on the CXS they often fall out of the storage area. Milwaukee's multidriver has way stronger magnets in comparison.


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I never got to try them but, to me, they looked like a design from 20 years ago. Saying that, I've never been a fan of Festool drills or drivers. in 2020, I was expecting more from Festool, a lot more actually.

So what exactly is it that changed so much the last 20 years, that Festool drills don't have?

Because my T15 is 12 years old now, and it is still the best drill on the market.

Batteries are way too big, and many of the drill bodies too long, I know that some can have angled attachments etc, as an all day every day user, I just want something I can pickup and used in all situations. The LED’s aren’t anything special either.
I have other makes of drill/drivers that have built in anti kick back, total torque control and many other features that Festool seem to have over looked.

I love most of the Festool range but, just don’t rate their drills, cordless or mains, never have. Similarly, I don’t like Metabo drills either.
I have a vast amount of drills and drivers of all types, they get used in every sense of the word, every day, and on site usually all day. We have been lucky to have had no issues at all with drills, only replacing batteries when the time comes. When we upgrade, our old drills are still working perfectly.
Why would I try and fix a problem that doesn’t exist, going to a product I’m not over excited about.
When I look and hold even the latest Festool drills, they resemble and feel like drills I was using 15-20 years ago.
I spoke to two Festool reps at a tool fair last year, they asked me if I would take part in a survey in exchange for a goody bag. I agreed and would have done so without the goodies.

So, we got to the survey which was mainly drills. My comments were on the same lines as I have made here.
One if the guys was reading my notes as the other put a goody bag together.
I said no offence but, these are my thoughts, and show him I wasn’t a Festool basher, I showed him my Festool warranty list of tools, which adds up to a lot of money.
He said no problem, and told me half of the survey that day and from other days, listed the dislikes I mentioned. He said it helps them develop tools that are what people like and need. So I was a bit surprised to see the latest offerings. Sure there may well be people that love them, or even buy them because they will look no further than Festool.

I meet many Festool owner users on sites, and when any conversation gets to drills, they tell me how great they are. Some of them have never used anything but Festool drills, so you could say this is total faith in a product, or you could say, they don’t know any different as they have never dared buy a tool without a Festool badge on it, and are in no position to judge or compare.
Most of the power tools I buy now, are Festool or Mafell, simply because any employees I of mine, have and prefer to use their own tools, apart from an apprentice. Which is how it should be.

Many of them, have a lot of Festool kit, one who does the majority of kitchen fitting, has just about every tool Festool ever made, including many drills, he loves them!
Each to their own eh?  [wink]

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No perceptible run out on my TID 18. So it’s not the standard for the tool, sorry to hear some of you are having this issue.

On a side note, I found today that the TID 18 will not trigger my CTL Mini over Bluetooth. I occasionally use a drill as the remote trigger as I walk around doing clean up and today I discovered that the TID18 will not pair or trigger an already paired battery. The battery was my first Bluetooth, received in promotion with the TID 18 this year. I put the battery in my c18 and all went as normal. . . Slightly weird, not that an impact really needs this functionality. .
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My promo battery was dead. BT didnt work, didnt work with TCL3, red blinkink light. I send it 3weeks ago. Yestarday arrived New battery from Service. It works now:) But my impact dont.

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.
Thank you Shane!

Would you be so kind to share the part number of the insert?

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We had a question about the TID combo kit and whether a C18 will fit in the Systainer insert. The answer is yes.
Thank you Shane!

Would you be so kind to share the part number of the insert?

@DerickC @Festool USA can you please provide a part number for the TID/T18 combo kit insert? Thanks!
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