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Offline Cheese

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2017, 01:02 AM »
Somedays I wish I was paid in US dollars to make some of these toys a little more affordable.

Some days I wish we had Canadian health care to make some of these meds a little more affordable.   [big grin]

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Offline SouthRider

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2017, 05:57 AM »
Been playing with the LR32 for the first time this week in my shop. Built a sys-az cabinet to start, and it sure was easy. A lot less thinking necessary. I mounted an inexpensive Dewalt mini plunge router to the LR32 guide rail adapter since I don't have a 1010 or 1400, and it works fine with a 1/4" drive 5 mm bit.

The whole concept seems so much simpler than custom designing and calculating every single piece of a cabinet. It really lends itself to being able to create freely "on the fly" so to speak.

The Schmitt system seems to expand the simplicity and regularity of the concept, making it even easier and more automatic with less calculating involved. Would be great for repeatedly knocking out cabinets in a one person shop.
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Offline Ptk16

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2017, 08:08 AM »
While this is likely obvious, making sure your cabinets are designed following the 32mm principles makes things very easy. This is one of the reasons I am disappointed that we no longer have metric versions of tools in North America now. You can get stickers, but still...

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2017, 04:48 PM »
While this is likely obvious, making sure your cabinets are designed following the 32mm principles makes things very easy. This is one of the reasons I am disappointed that we no longer have metric versions of tools in North America now. You can get stickers, but still...

You just have to measure everything out manually like the good old days.  You have to using metric for the best accuracy with the 32 mm system.  Using imperial you could always be a little off. 

Both Canada and the US still use imperial in construction.  We’re the last hold outs on planet earth. 
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Offline Ptk16

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2017, 08:47 PM »
I've switched to metric for all cabinet and furniture work at this point. Still use imperial for framing.

Offline JimD

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2017, 07:06 PM »
I've never used the LR 32 but am interested in the comments from people who use it.  I have a rockler jig in a drawer somewhere but found I like the little Kreg jig a lot better.  I have also used a router to make shelf pin holes with a home made jig but I didn't like that method.  The router is too loud and the bit dulls and the holes get burned.  The drilled holes I make now may not be quite as clean but they are pretty good and the jig is very easy to use.

I drill holes for hinges on my drill press.  Only cost is for the bit.  I just set a fence the necessary distance from the bit. 


Offline Bohdan

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2017, 07:31 PM »
I have also used a router to make shelf pin holes with a home made jig but I didn't like that method.  The router is too loud and the bit dulls and the holes get burned.

Could be that you were using a regular router bit for drilling. The normal bit is designed to cut on the face and on the end only for the occasional plunge or they get hot and burn the timber. Drilling router bits are a different shape.

Offline lwoirhaye

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2017, 09:50 PM »
You may be able to find router bits that are like a spiral upcut bit but they have a point like a brad point drill.  That's probably the best kind of bit to use.  I have them in my Mafell, but of course the ones I have are designed for boring machines, not to fit router collets.  Still, the repeated plunge cuts generates a lot of heat and it's possible to burn the carbide if you don't let the cutters cool down occasionally.
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Offline BJM9818

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2017, 07:25 AM »
I normally don't build cabinets but during a remodel this spring I needed to built a set of 3 floor to ceiling bookcases.   

I already owned the 1400 so pulled the trigger on the LR32. It took a few hours watching YouTube videos in the customers garage to get everything set up, but once i got the basics down drilling the holes was a snap.  My cabinets were not in multiples of 32mm lengths but it worked fine.  Hardest part is getting everything calibrated. 

I have not used the kit again but most likely will at some point in the future. It all fits in a Sys2 so it's out of the way and can most likely recoup 75% of what I paid for it if I ever want to sell it so made sense to purchase it.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2020, 04:34 PM »
The Schmidt 32 is very well done. They have taken it to the next level in ease of use. I have a Mafell setup that I use for shelf pin holes, but this looks to be a lot easier to use. I know this puts the LR32 to shame and the price is more than fair.

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2020, 04:48 PM »
The Schmidt 32 is very well done. They have taken it to the next level in ease of use. I have a Mafell setup that I use for shelf pin holes, but this looks to be a lot easier to use. I know this puts the LR32 to shame and the price is more than fair.


WOW!!!  That Schmitt 32 sure is a sweet system!!!  I'm impressed.    [smile]
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2020, 06:03 PM »
When I first mentioned the Schmitt 32 (see reply 18) Gen I, it was only useable with a single model Dewalt, Sears or Performax router, some strange choices there.  [eek]

Well now that they've moved on to Gen II, you're now able to use a Festool 1010 or a Makita RT0701 router along with the Dewalt. The new system is 10" longer and costs $120 more than the previous system. Could be a viable alternative for some folks and they're still made in the USA.  [big grin]

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Offline jwar

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2020, 05:56 AM »
Greetings all,

   I am new to Festool Group and I own several Festool Tools that I purchased to help make my life easier when building cabinets and such. I purchased the LR-32 SYS over a year or so almost 2 years going now. I picked up the OF1400, TS55 (purchased with FS 1400/2- LR32) FS 2424/2-LR 32  and the Domino 500 at the same time. As to the ease of the LR32 system versus other systems for Shelf Pins,(5mm(1/4) Hinges(Euro) Blum), Drawer Slides (Blum) setup it beats Kreg, Rockler super jig  and I hate to say it the old one time tool from Woodpeckers. I have only built one complex custom cabinet 17" deep 94"high 48" wide  with the LR system and the ease of setup and repeatability of carrying over my pins from outside to inside and right to left top to bottom was a breeze I even lined up my draw slides and my hinge placement. Festool did not have the Festool 203170 Domino DF 500 Connector Assortment out at the time, so I did the old pocket screw joinery method before I realised I had dominos. I was so used to the old ways of dado and then pocket screw. Now I and selling the Kreg stuff. I do not even touch it anymore it just sits in the corner collecting dust.  I have also used the LR 32 to rebuild my 52in extension wing on my table saw. I used the LR 32 to drill/ well really route in holes for the drawer slides (I started using Euro style 5mm screws fit right into the hole and placed just at the right spots) that I installed into the top to make use of that space under the wing to hold my table saw blades.

  Sorry got off point I will never go back to the plexiglass jigs to do shelf pins to build new cabinets or closet systems. I do keep one setup for repair work as it is easier to fit into the tight spot of an already built cabinet and that is the Rockler super jib because it came with both the 1/4" and 5mm self centering drills. So if you are doing cabinets at volume or a whole house remodel (cabinets, closets system,vanities, built in book cases) for yourself then cutting time to get the job done faster with better control over the router and more accurate is a great value. If you only plan on doing one or two things with the jig or LR system then you have to look at the cost returns for yourself.

   For me being medically disabled from my military service, Getting off my feet quicker was worth the cost and that dividend is still paying as my wife wants all new cabinets,  closet systems, and other honey do list that will utilize those tools. The things you can do with the LR 32 system are limitless if your put your mind to it.  If anything I would change about my decision it would have been to get the OF 1010 router as it mounts easier onto the LR-32 Sys plate easier. The OF 1400 mounts, but takes a minute more.   

Online afish

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Re: Value of the LR 32 vs more affordable Jigs
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 02:54 PM »
I too have tried many of the cheaper drilling jigs before finally getting the LR32.  I am very happy with the results.  There are a few things that bother me about the system.
1. The setback rails are a PITA for any type of production however I have a work around for that you can see that in the workshop forum
2. Perhaps my biggest annoyance is the fact that festool doesnt offer the holy rail in the 118" version.  Only in 95"  which is just plain dumb.  why do they want to make me have to purchase, store and move around two long rails.  Like many I have a home based shop and its difficult to find room not only to store these long rails not to mention moving/flipping and turning them in a small garage space with other obstacles around not to mention transporting them.  Just give us one rail that can do it all... PLEASE

It can get pricey but I use a Dewalt DW621 router with my LR32 system since I already had a couple.  So that saved me a bunch of money and I have had no accuracy issues.  So $140 plus $270 for the Festool 583290 and a router I already had plus another $50 bucks or so for bits and an imperial to metric collet adaptors and you are good to go.

If i was looking now would look closer at the Mafell duo doweller but the LR32 is great option
 
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