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Offline Northernlight

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Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:10 PM »


Cant wait for IT to be available :))

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Offline joiner1970

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 02:36 PM »


Cant wait for IT to be available :))
You must have missed it he's already posted a thread on it :)

Offline Woodwork Wizard

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 04:49 PM »
If this system used a 5mm drill rather than a 3mm couldn't it be used to make shelf pin holes also? 

Looks like a really neat precise method and I'm sure would really appeal to anyone who hasn't got the LR-32 system.

Offline Eden1415

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2016, 02:37 PM »
Second vote for 5mm, and make it available through Lee Valley please.  Sorry I'm in the states.

Offline Mkholdings

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2016, 12:51 AM »
Have you guys seen this ? I use it for making my table tops  even a 4x8 sheet and all the holes are square to each other. By @anthonyz    

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2016, 03:03 AM »
If this system used a 5mm drill rather than a 3mm couldn't it be used to make shelf pin holes also? 

Looks like a really neat precise method and I'm sure would really appeal to anyone who hasn't got the LR-32 system.

Just widen the three mm holes? Ok so its one more operation but wouldn't take long.

Offline sylthecru

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 08:45 AM »
Ok, this is a Festool forum.. no built in dust extraction?  [tongue]
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Offline alkaline

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 01:47 PM »


Cant wait for IT to be available :))

Ups ... seeing here, yesterday I did not have to spend 90 euros for the CNC.

 [eek] [tongue] [big grin]
I have several boxes Festool, one MTF, four guide rails and big taste to play. )))

Offline Redcarjoiner

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 04:03 PM »
This kit looks a great idea and regards the 5 mm holes. If a brass bush was made to sleeve down from 20 to 5 and that would do the job and the 3mm holes are probably more accurate for the purpose of the original setting out.
Regards Mike.

Offline HappyCamper

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 10:21 PM »
Just what I have been looking for.  I ordered one and we will see how it goes. 

Offline jblair

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 12:37 AM »
A suggestion, sell just the drill bit and the guide for people who already have MFT/3's. No need for the rulers, pins or the 3 mm bit. You can just clamp a MFT top to a piece of MDF and drill through the holes. The accuracy of the top and no worries of right angles on the 3 mm bit. Shipping to US would also be much easier. Once a couple of holes are drilled, we can use the long dogs to keep alignment and to make larger sizes.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2016, 01:45 AM by jblair »

Offline Svar

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 02:58 AM »
A suggestion, sell just the drill bit and the guide for people who already have MFT/3's. No need for the rulers, pins or the 3 mm bit. You can just clamp a MFT top to a piece of MDF and drill through the holes.
No need to sell anything to those people. Drill undersized holes freehand, finish using router with pattern bit (place MFT plate on top of the work piece).

Offline Spiff

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2016, 12:22 AM »
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but it seems easier for me
to spend forty quid on eBay for a CNC produced third party MFT top - especially when the jig is three times that cost.  Nice idea for them that can be bothered though, I guess.

@Peter - those are rules, not rulers  [popcorn]

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2016, 09:27 AM »
@Spiff - if you're considering using a CNC Router to make a worktop, you can download a choice of different size CAD drawings and DXF files free from our website:
https://tsoproducts.com/plans-drawings/

if there is another size we get frequent requests for, we will create that for free download as well. We just revised the drawing pdf's to make them dual dimensioned Metric/Imperial and will put them up this weekend as revision B.
DXF files are unaffected.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2016, 09:33 AM »
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but it seems easier for me
to spend forty quid on eBay for a CNC produced third party MFT top
I've never seen MFT top that cheap.

Offline Chance B

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2016, 09:41 AM »
Try a CNC shop.

Most CNC shops charge by the minute/hour for running their machines. I was able to get 3 tops out of one 4'x8' sheet. Charged me the minimum of one hour for $65 plus the cost of sheet goods. I got 3 tops for less than the price of 1 Festool Priced top.

And remember you can flip them over so my 3 mft tops turns to 6. I should be good for a long while.

Offline skinee

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2016, 09:48 AM »
there is a new drill bit for Peters jig available from axminster,it will fit directly into both standard 1/4" hex and centrotec chucks and will solve the 'burr problem' that some people have encountered,it would be nice if the jig shipped with this new bit from now on,perhaps Peter would have some info on this?.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-d-g-20mm-cutter-for-parf-guide-system-102481

Offline clark_fork

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2016, 10:12 AM »
there is a new drill bit for Peters jig available from axminster,it will fit directly into both standard 1/4" hex and centrotec chucks and will solve the 'burr problem' that some people have encountered,it would be nice if the jig shipped with this new bit from now on,perhaps Peter would have some info on this?.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-d-g-20mm-cutter-for-parf-guide-system-102481



Thanks so much for the link. You are a cyber-ace. It went immediately out of stock but a back-order is allowed. My original bit burred so this is a worthwhile purchase. I also recently got a T18+3 for my landmark (75) birthday and I am anxious to put the new bit through its paces.  I just completed an assembly table with the PG to good advantage.

Again, I want to mention that ordering is a smooth operation with Axminster with an accommodation to reduce the VAT upon ordering. No custom officials at your door demanding tariffs.
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Offline PatR

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2016, 10:41 AM »
If you are a UK based user may I recommend RS CNC Design of Wrexham, Wales.

http://www.cncdesign.co.uk/cnc/Replacement-Festool-Type-Top.html

I live close by so went and met Rick the owner who not only supplied a top for my MFT but designed and cut a custom MFT top while I waited for a workbench I am making. Absolutely the highest quality and as a bonus he supplied two sets of aluminum bench dogs free of charge. The holes are exactly 20mm, spaced as the Festool original and not made out of plywood as the link suggests, but out of top quality 18mm MDF. The only difference twixt the original is about £50!

Smashing bloke who has a wealth of experience in fine cabinetry making and CNC design.

No connection at all, just an absolutely delighted customer.

Offline Svar

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2016, 10:55 AM »
If you are a UK based user may I recommend RS CNC Design of Wrexham, Wales.
http://www.cncdesign.co.uk/cnc/Replacement-Festool-Type-Top.html

Wow! That bloke is practically giving it away. I wonder how he manages to even make money on this.

Offline Spiff

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2016, 01:29 PM »
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but it seems easier for me
to spend forty quid on eBay for a CNC produced third party MFT top
I've never seen MFT top that cheap.

The Middle Earth currency conversion rate must be unfavourable just now  [wink]

If you go to the EvilBay and type in "MFT Top" you'll see that RS CNC Designs are selling 18mm moisture resistant Medite MDF tops for £40 - including six free CNC machined dogs.  Admittedly shipping is extra, but you could pick it up for free if passing Wrexham.  Not sure what the travel costs from Middle Earth might be though  [scared]

Offline Svar

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 01:37 PM »
Yep, I just saw that, Spiff. It's insanely cheap, considering 6 aluminum dogs are included. I doubt he'll ship to Middle Earth.  [sad]

Offline Spiff

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2016, 01:45 PM »
Yep, I just saw that, Spiff. It's insanely cheap, considering 6 aluminum dogs are included. I doubt he'll ship to Middle Earth.  [sad]

I meant to ask if you find Festool use to be hobbit forming?    [bite tongue] [drooling] [big grin]

Offline Svar

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2016, 01:50 PM »
Yep, I just saw that, Spiff. It's insanely cheap, considering 6 aluminum dogs are included. I doubt he'll ship to Middle Earth.  [sad]

I meant to ask if you find Festool use to be hobbit forming?    [bite tongue] [drooling] [big grin]
Yes, and the system is quite compact, which works well in our small houses.

Offline PatR

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2016, 04:31 PM »
If you are a UK based user may I recommend RS CNC Design of Wrexham, Wales.
http://www.cncdesign.co.uk/cnc/Replacement-Festool-Type-Top.html

Wow! That bloke is practically giving it away. I wonder how he manages to even make money on this.

I had the same thought so decided to pay a visit and was thoroughly impressed at the set up and the quality of the stuff he makes.

Rick runs a tight ship and combines a really superb product with value for money. The bench dogs are made by a chap next door to his workshop and they are beautifully machined and threaded underneath to lock onto the MFT top should you wish.

I had thought of doing my own tops with a suitable jig and my 20mm Zobo forstner bit but quite frankly I gave up out of sheer boredom and an total inability to drill straight. When I factored in the cost of a sheet of 18mm medite MDF and a jigamathig I thought bolleaux to this and bought from RS CNC. I have always used a sacrificial board when using my MFT's as the replacement tops were just too expensive but now I cut away with glee knowing that for 40 or so beer tokens I can get a brand new top (and a set of RicksDogs for gratis).

Filed under 'No Brainer'

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2016, 12:27 PM »
there is a new drill bit for Peters jig available from axminster,it will fit directly into both standard 1/4" hex and centrotec chucks and will solve the 'burr problem' that some people have encountered,it would be nice if the jig shipped with this new bit from now on,perhaps Peter would have some info on this?.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-d-g-20mm-cutter-for-parf-guide-system-102481

Hi @skinee

Sorry for the delay but I had to do some checking first. This is a new cutter suited for Centrotec bit holders and is designed to work with the PGS. It is particularly suited to anyone who may be at risk getting burr marks on straight shanked bits. I have not tested this cutter yet and will produce a video in the not too distant future.

I understand that stop collars are now provided with these 20 mm cutters to help avoid them dropping through the 20 mm guide block and being damaged on the floor.

Peter

Offline pillguy

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2016, 08:46 PM »
I really liked the concept, and thought about doing something on my own. However, if I fooled around with pricing the bits and pieces and cobble something together, I would not save much and have the headache of its not the real deal. So I ordered mine at the end of the month and got it yesterday. It was quickly shipped ~8 days from order date to delivery in metro Atlanta. It was well packed and no damage. I am really looking forward using it and finally building a custom Festool table.
Thanks so much for such a great idea Peter!!

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Re: Finally a jig for mft holes by Peter parfitt
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2017, 10:22 PM »
Maybe I'm just being lazy, but it seems easier for me
to spend forty quid on eBay for a CNC produced third party MFT top - especially when the jig is three times that cost.  Nice idea for them that can be bothered though, I guess.

I'm getting in on this thread several months late. The beauty of this stem is you can also produce custom size tops as well as custom hole patterns.

Check out a Toolify YouTube video on homemade jig for making an MFT top using the LR32 system.