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FESTOOL DISCUSSIONS => Festool Jigs & Tool Enhancements => Topic started by: jeffinsgf on March 25, 2021, 07:44 AM

Title: Track Storage
Post by: jeffinsgf on March 25, 2021, 07:44 AM
Like many of us here, I've been annoyed by the splinter guard strip coming loose from the ends of my tracks. I discovered some time ago that if I stored my tracks flat and fully supported, the splinter guard stays adhered. After tying up a large section of shop counter space for over a year, I finally did something about it. I made this simple shelf unit that stores 4 tracks and the pieces and parts for my MFT. Hope this helps someone else keep their shop tidy and their tools better prepared for the next project.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3d-kxFdFtn9dESulhmW_6NnwcHWJvjvSgIlGzvbov_zSI2ib36VR0i8EJrdLLHz6eQK9nC3kLhIKZfCN3iMvUB4vDSqlHqMlWg29lwkHbvEYsDvNNomqcMJHP5DHh6nC8lyV6XtJy4zvN7NizyBzjIX=w1730-h1297-no?authuser=0)
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Julie on March 25, 2021, 12:02 PM
Nice rack.

I discovered, this winter, that one of the reasons that the splinter strip comes off is doing the initial cut according to Festool's video. They say not to worry about cutting the ends. I found that leaving the start end full width helps the end come loose. The riving knife pushes it loose every time I start a cut. Now I make sure to do the initial cut from end to end.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: ChuckM on March 25, 2021, 12:15 PM
Nice rack.

I discovered, this winter, that one of the reasons that the splinter strip comes off is doing the initial cut according to Festool's video. They say not to worry about cutting the ends.

They say that? I cut the strip flush on both ends on my previous track.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Cheese on March 25, 2021, 12:28 PM
According to Festool's video, they say not to worry about cutting the ends.

Now that's odd... [scratch chin]...that makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jussi on March 25, 2021, 12:33 PM
I do the same thing except store them at a 45 degree angle. But still with the splinter guard facing up
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Mike Goetzke on March 25, 2021, 12:41 PM
I use FastCap Track Rack for my 4 rails but mount them up-side-down so the dead weight is not on the anti-splinter.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: squall_line on March 25, 2021, 12:55 PM
According to Festool's video, they say not to worry about cutting the ends.

Now that's odd... [scratch chin]...that makes no sense at all.

I haven't watched the training video, but I know that Sedge pointed out in a few of his Festool Live sessions that none of the tracks in the videos have the splinter guard trimmed end-to-end unless they've been connected to another rail.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: ChuckM on March 25, 2021, 02:55 PM


Now that's odd... [scratch chin]...that makes no sense at all.

Not only does it make no sense, it's also a nonsense to suggest leaving the strip extending beyond the ends as doing that offers no benefits of any sort. Watch from 37:03

https://youtu.be/zcxXaAifoZo?t=2223
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: elfick on March 25, 2021, 03:11 PM


Now that's odd... [scratch chin]...that makes no sense at all.

Not only does it make no sense, it's also a nonsense to suggest leaving the strip extending beyond the ends as doing that offers no benefits of any sort. Watch from 37:03

https://youtu.be/zcxXaAifoZo?t=2223
I think the conversation was around being trimmed to zero by the saw blade, not extending the strip past the end of the rail.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: elfick on March 25, 2021, 03:15 PM
FWIW, when I trim a splinter guard, I do go through the effort of connecting another rail on each end so I can trim the guard the full length. I just think the untrimmed ends look messy.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Just Bill on March 25, 2021, 11:07 PM
Frankly, I don't understand why Festool ever switched from the original black splinter guards. I have four tracks of different lengths. Three are very old with the same black splinter guards from the day they were shipped.....they are all still attached exactly as the day they arrived. My newer, longer track, has the clear splinter guard. It detached at the ends within 6 months. I have reattached with glue, cut it down in size, etc. All of these tracks have been stored exactly the same way in the same shop. I think the black ones are easier to see next to pencil lines too. I have a replacement black Makita splinter guard that I will replace the Festool clear guard with at some point.
Does anyone see any advantage to the newer, clear splinter guards?
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jeffinsgf on March 26, 2021, 06:33 AM
I agree with you Bill. One of mine still has the old black strip. I changed the other two when the clear strip came out and have kicked myself for it since.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Steve1 on March 26, 2021, 08:10 AM
I don't understand why Festool ever switched from the original black splinter guards.

I didn't realize they used to be black.    With the clear, I have trouble seeing if the edge is on my line, so I put some black marker on mine.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jobsworth on March 26, 2021, 12:04 PM
excuse the mess

this is how I store my 1400 (3ea) and 1080 (2 ea) rails. Plus my 800mm and a few smaller custom rails. This takes up very shop little space.

The 3000 and 1900 are stored using fast caps rail clamps (guess thats what ya'd call them)
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: hdv on March 26, 2021, 12:57 PM
Last time I replaced a splinter guard I applied activator before applying/glueing the strip to the guide rail. That really does make a difference! The strip is still attached to the guide rail like it will never come off again. Activator is relatively cheap, so it is worth a try I'd say.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jeffinsgf on March 26, 2021, 01:05 PM
HDV...you're saying you used cyanoacrylate accelerator with the adhesive on the splinter guard, or were you using CA glue?
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: hdv on March 26, 2021, 01:46 PM
To be honest I didn't even verify that before I did this. In hindsight maybe I should have done that, just to be sure. It is just that I have used this type of activator so often without any mishap on non-porous surfaces that I never thought to check the compatibility of the chemicals before I did this.

Anyway, I used standard activator as it is used in the automotive industry (to be precise Den Braven Activator and Cleaner Aerosol). I removed the original splinter guard that had come of partially. Then I cleaned the guide rail with the activator. I let that dry. Then I applied a new splinter guard. I never thought to check the compatibility of the chemicals before I did this. Luckily it seems there were no problems, because the splinter guard is still in good shape.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: ChuckM on March 26, 2021, 02:24 PM
An activator cleaner is in essence a cleaner. Some commercial shops also like to say they use activator cleaners (instead of cleaners) to sound more specialized. If I were to clean a track before applying the strip, I'd use acetone. I used to clean metal with acetone before an etching process.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jeffinsgf on March 26, 2021, 03:40 PM
Well...this goes on the list for what I learned today.  [big grin]

https://www.grainger.com/category/adhesives-sealants-and-tape/adhesives-and-glues/adhesive-primers-activators-accelerators-and-removers

Who knew??
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Bob D. on March 27, 2021, 04:26 AM
That's a handy reference, thanks Jeff.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: festoolgolfer on March 27, 2021, 10:25 AM
I don't understand why Festool ever switched from the original black splinter guards.

I didn't realize they used to be black.    With the clear, I have trouble seeing if the edge is on my line, so I put some black marker on mine.

I used the Dewalt guide strips, ther're black.https://www.authorizedtooloutlet.com/products/dewalt-dws5032-replacement-friction-strip-for-tracksaw?variant=18962870087&currency=USD&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google+shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwr_uCBhAFEiwAX8YJgdatcJon6iA5ru-6zCpZv286SeyhJfq2r4HxiUsOZvTp55tcva_BNxoC2kwQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: ChuckM on March 27, 2021, 11:18 AM
The link you provided shows a friction strip. Got a link for the splinter strip?
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Bob D. on March 27, 2021, 11:19 AM
I try to position the TS on the good or keeper side. I put a couple crows foot on the waste or cut side of my mark to make it easier to find. It also helps with positioning the track as you can see the crows foot easier than the line which as said disappears when you bring the track up close for me with either the clear or the black splinter guard on either my DeWalt TS or the TSC55.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: festoolgolfer on March 27, 2021, 12:31 PM
The link you provided shows a friction strip. Got a link for the splinter strip?

Sorry about that I bought mine yrs ago and forgot where, here's one on Amazon.https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWS5029-TrackSaw-Anti-Splinter-Replacement/dp/B001J34IQE/ref=asc_df_B001J34IQE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309813767497&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16946303831768808006&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003433&hvtargid=pla-434488982539&psc=1
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: ForumMFG on March 27, 2021, 03:18 PM
What about mobile storage?  I have been looking for something for my FSK420 guide rail for my HK saw.  It has plastic parts on the bottom if the guide rail and I definitely want to keep it protected.  I can’t justify spending $80 on the Festool bag just because it says festool on it.  Probably costs $10 to make, slap the logo on it and its now $80.   I just bought a off brand bag to store my (2) FS guide rails that are 55” and it sells for $22, made really well.  But i cant find a off brand for this specific rail.   So right now I use the box it came in.   I think the price festool sells their tools at are worth every penny.  However, their accessories I don’t get it at all.   So if anyone has come up with a mobile storage solution for FSK guide rails, let me know.  Right now I use the box it came in. 
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: squall_line on March 27, 2021, 03:28 PM
What about mobile storage?  I have been looking for something for my FSK420 guide rail for my HK saw.  It has plastic parts on the bottom if the guide rail and I definitely want to keep it protected.  I can’t justify spending $80 on the Festool bag just because it says festool on it.  Probably costs $10 to make, slap the logo on it and its now $80.   I just bought a off brand bag to store my (2) FS guide rails that are 55” and it sells for $22, made really well.  But i cant find a off brand for this specific rail.   So right now I use the box it came in.   I think the price festool sells their tools at are worth every penny.  However, their accessories I don’t get it at all.   So if anyone has come up with a mobile storage solution for FSK guide rails, let me know.  Right now I use the box it came in.

If you have a local upholsterer or sewing guild, you may be able to get something custom cut and made from cordura with a zipper.  Locally one-off might not be any cheaper than the official bag, though, depending on labor rates and material sourcing.

I'm guessing the width of the rail is what makes it harder to find something with a different logo on it.  I'm definitely interested in knowing what you find out, since I have a 420 also and it just hangs on a hook in my garage.  Luckily I haven't needed to transport it yet.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: guybo on March 27, 2021, 04:12 PM
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Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Dr. P. Venkman on April 15, 2021, 09:52 AM
@jeffinsgf - love the shelves.  That looks like 1/2" ply, correct?  How are the shelves attached to the back piece/supported? Are they just glued into a dado?
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Chainring on April 15, 2021, 11:00 AM
Are the Festool rail bags available in anything larger than 1400/55"? That's all I've seen.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: jeffinsgf on April 15, 2021, 11:28 AM
@jeffinsgf - love the shelves.  That looks like 1/2" ply, correct?  How are the shelves attached to the back piece/supported? Are they just glued into a dado?

Thanks. It's 9mm (3/8") Baltic Birch. The back is the same material.  Shelves are glued and stapled into dadoes in the back. French cleats to hang it on the wall. I've been living with it for a few weeks now, and so far, I love it. When they were on the counter, they invariably got covered up with other stuff. Now I don't have to dig them out when I want them.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: tallgrass on April 17, 2021, 05:58 AM
I use the Makita strip. IT works extremely well.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: Vondawg on April 17, 2021, 07:50 AM
Are the Festool rail bags available in anything larger than 1400/55"? That's all I've seen.
Festool bags=1400 only....but Lee Valley sells guild rail bags, about $80 for the long one...very good quality

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/carrying-and-moving/110983-lee-valley-track-saw-guide-rail-bag-for-3000mm-120-inch-guide-rail?item=50K6042&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzbSk7pyF8AIVz21vBB0CBQaBEAQYAiABEgL68PD_BwE
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: afish on April 25, 2021, 06:33 PM
Nice rack.

I discovered, this winter, that one of the reasons that the splinter strip comes off is doing the initial cut according to Festool's video. They say not to worry about cutting the ends.

They say that? I cut the strip flush on both ends on my previous track.

If they say that they are full of it. I had a LR32 rail that I NEVER used for cutting and the clear strip was never cut/trimmed or hardly ever even touched.  It only took about 6 months before it started peeling off.  THe only thing that might work to keep those on is 3M VHB primer.  We used to use it at my old shop and that stuff is pretty amazing when done correctly.  I have used the primer a few times when not using the VHB and it seems to work well helping other adhesives stick.  Its nasty stuff so make sure you use it outside.
Title: Re: Track Storage
Post by: pettyconstruction on April 25, 2021, 07:44 PM
Are the Festool rail bags available in anything larger than 1400/55"? That's all I've seen.
Festool bags=1400 only....but Lee Valley sells guild rail bags, about $80 for the long one...very good quality

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/carrying-and-moving/110983-lee-valley-track-saw-guide-rail-bag-for-3000mm-120-inch-guide-rail?item=50K6042&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzbSk7pyF8AIVz21vBB0CBQaBEAQYAiABEgL68PD_BwE
Fastcap has a rail bag also,fits up to a 1900 rail
Charlie


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