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Offline Mike35x95x1

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To wheel or not to wheel?
« on: November 09, 2020, 08:05 AM »
Hi guys,

I have finished the SYS-PORT 2x1000 and considering to add four massive wheels to make it moveable (just in case in the workshop - not intend to make it really portable). The wheels are massive, stable and were expensive.

Do you think it will be stable when pulling out the systainers?







Thanks a lot
Mike


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Offline MikeGE

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2020, 08:35 AM »
I use similar wheels on my equipment, such as the bandsaw and jointer/planer.  The wheels I use prevent the wheel from turning as well as from rotating on the swivel.  I never have to lock more than two of the wheels to keep the equipment in place.

I would be more concerned about the OSB standing up to the loads at the points where the wheels attach.

Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2020, 08:38 AM »
I use similar wheels on my equipment, such as the bandsaw and jointer/planer.  The wheels I use prevent the wheel from turning as well as from rotating on the swivel.  I never have to lock more than two of the wheels to keep the equipment in place.

I would be more concerned about the OSB standing up to the loads at the points where the wheels attach.
I have no plans to use screws. Just bolts, nuts and washers on both sides to protect the material.


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Offline MikeGE

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 09:58 AM »

I have no plans to use screws. Just bolts, nuts and washers on both sides to protect the material.

I wasn't questioning the fastening method, as I assumed you would be using bolts, washers, and nuts.  My concern is with the overall strength of the OSB base holding up to the loads. 

I've never made a rolling cabinet with OSB, so I have no point of reference, but I suppose if you're not racing the cart around the parking lot, it might be fine.  ;D

Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 10:31 AM »

I have no plans to use screws. Just bolts, nuts and washers on both sides to protect the material.

I wasn't questioning the fastening method, as I assumed you would be using bolts, washers, and nuts.  My concern is with the overall strength of the OSB base holding up to the loads. 

I've never made a rolling cabinet with OSB, so I have no point of reference, but I suppose if you're not racing the cart around the parking lot, it might be fine.  ;D
No such a plans


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Offline Bob D.

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 11:09 AM »
I think I would keep the casters out as close to the corners as I could for as much stability as possible. This cabinet is more than twice as high as it is in its narrowest dimension, making it unstabil to begin with. Putting it on wheels compounds the problem.

Maybe give it a wider (deeper front to back) base with additional layer of PSB or ply. That would let the wheels be spread out further and strengthen the base for the weight over a single layer of OSB.
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Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2020, 11:13 AM »
I think I would keep the casters out as close to the corners as I could for as much stability as possible. This cabinet is more than twice as high as it is in its narrowest dimension, making it unstabil to begin with. Putting it on wheels compounds the problem.

Maybe give it a wider (deeper front to back) base with additional layer of PSB or ply. That would let the wheels be spread out further and strengthen the base for the weight over a single layer of OSB.
I was thinking of ”skateboard” as well. however the moving platform is less important than stability. I can see that more of you have concerns so I become warried and consider to leave the wheels out...


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Offline Peter_C

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020, 12:41 PM »
As it doesn't appear it will be used as a work bench, then wheels are the way to go. Being able to rearrange and clean around equipment is very nice. I have wheels on just about everything. With locking casters I have never found it to be a problem.

There are two types of locking wheels. Those that stop the wheels from rolling, and those that stop the wheels from rolling and turning around. Ideally you want two turning wheels and two fixed wheels, so only one end steers like a shopping cart/tool box/etc.

Also agree a second layer of OSB on the outside edge that would be maybe 250mm wide glued on should give it enough strength to handle double the weight you are going to put on the cart.


Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2020, 12:52 PM »
As it doesn't appear it will be used as a work bench, then wheels are the way to go. Being able to rearrange and clean around equipment is very nice. I have wheels on just about everything.

I also love wheels anywhere possible such as my Monster Matroska drawer. Thanks I'll think up how to strengthen/expand the bottom to expand the center of gravity.

Mike

Offline Bob D.

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2020, 04:05 PM »
When you make the base deeper maybe incorporate some additional storage on the back side.
A couple racks for clamps or some track saw rails if you have one.

Some weight on the back side would also offset the imbalance when opening a drawer.

Remember there is no interlock between the drawers like on some file cabinets, so open one drawer at a time. Hate to see your stack of FT go crashing to the floor.
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Offline woodferret

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2020, 05:21 PM »
Bigger wheels aren't necessarily better in this case.  A SYS-PORT is already so narrow, having a bigger wheel just means the contact point is further away from the front/back edge half the time.  If this is just shop use only, use smaller wheels.  If you want big wheels, then you should make sure that when it pivots inward, that the ground-contact is still close to at least the edges (see SYS-CART).  Your double-width SYS-PORT wouldn't need the side-side stability extensions though - a boon if you want to sneak two of these next to each other.

Offline Bertotti

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2020, 05:28 PM »
I built flat carts so I could move bins and such. That way things are stable while stationary but if I want to move something I just tile them and slide carts under move them and set them again.
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Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2020, 01:52 PM »
It seems I need to double my Festool arsenal as the empty half looks ugly.

No wheels so far. I wanted to test it first without and next I’ll try to figure out the wheels.




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Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2020, 02:54 PM »
Target achieved. The sys-port is on the skateboard and can even carry heavy load on the back






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Offline Mike35x95x1

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To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2020, 03:39 PM »
Sys-Port in action:



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« Last Edit: November 11, 2020, 04:21 PM by Mike35x95x1 »

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2020, 04:19 PM »
Rolls nice and smoothly!

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Offline jobsworth

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Re: To wheel or not to wheel?
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2020, 10:00 AM »
Nice, I build some of those for my old shop. I should have brought them with me. But now I can refine them.  I didnt use the skate board under the sysports. Though I should have. I made mine to sit under my MFT.