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Offline nicholam77

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My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« on: July 08, 2020, 04:30 PM »
Can never have enough of these, right?  [big grin]



The ETS 125 REQ you see is actually my only Festool, but I am enamored with the "system" and the creativeness of the community that seems to surround these tools. This is my effort to incorporate some of these ideas and ways of working into an all-purpose small shop workbench.

I'm calling it a hybrid because it's a combination of several others' ideas that I borrowed. To give credit where credit is due -- the carcass is largely a copy Justin Michael's cart from this thread. The "rails" of the top are from Guy Dunlap's MFT/Outfeed table project.



The mortise and peg system from the legs you might recognize as borrowed from Timothy Wilmots System Workshop benches.



Basically I really liked bits and pieces from each of these designs, and combined them to make something that worked for me in my small garage.

The carcass is birch ply, biscuited and pocked screwed. The legs of the cart and the horizontal "rails" of the work surface are maple. The little feet that elevate the work surface are walnut, and the holey top is 3/4" MDF.

The work surface is 46" x 30", so almost the same as the official MFT/3 surface.

A bit about the construction. I realize this would arguably have been a great project to justify a Domino, but I simply don't have the funds, so all of the leg mortises were done with my DeWalt 618 router:



The Systainers have pull out drawers with indexing holes for the foot pads which I template routed with the help of a jig:









Systainers can be opened fully while in the drawer.

Here is a Sketchup of what the work surface frame looks like. Birch ply inner frame, maple outer frame. Inner frame height is recessed to accept the MDF top.



T-tracks from Orange Aluminum were added (these fit the Festool Quick Clamps), with a notch left for the track saw blade to pass through on both sides.



Then some 1/8" bar aluminum was added to accept the Festool rail support pivots (I ordered these from a parts dealer). If I could redo I'd actually use 1/16" bar aluminum instead so they slide easier:







The holey top was drilled with my router, Woodrave Etsy jig, and Bosch 20mm bit. I only use the holes for clamping, not square, so this method was accurate enough for my needs:





Above you can see I also added two short sections of T-track for positioning a cross cut fence.

I went with a Misumi aluminum extrusion for this:







Yes I have the Makita, not the TS55. [big grin]

To square I simply install the rail, install the fence loosely, position a large known square and butt the fence up to it, then tighten the L-brackets. It's easy, and accurate.

As far as function, it does all the things you might expect.

Crosscuts up to 28", really any length:



Surface for standalone cuts:



Vertical clamping for edgebanding:







Joinery:



Finishing on protective 1/8" hardboard spoil surface:



Table saw outfeed:



Sanding, assembly, Systainer storage, and more!

All in all it cost about $500 to build in materials and the Festool rail parts.

I know there are a million of these out there, but I was definitely inspired by many designs on this forum and hope someone finds this interesting!

I have ideas for more features / expansion as well, so stay tuned.  [big grin]

Cheers,
-Nick

« Last Edit: May 11, 2021, 10:33 AM by nicholam77 »
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Offline waho6o9

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2020, 05:35 PM »
Stay tuned I shall, excellent ideas, thanks for the great pictorial!

Online MikeGE

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2020, 06:00 PM »
What a great cart!  I don't see anything wrong with borrowing ideas from others to suit your needs.
What do you have planned for the vertical space between the two rows of drawers?

Offline Thompmd

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2020, 07:36 AM »
I agree, great job!! I always enjoy everyone’s pics/story especially for this beginner and rookie fesfool. I think we all see ideas and then modify for our personal needs/spaces. I read the FOG everyday for just such things and you’re is as good/better as any I’ve seen.

I’ve got the SYS-AZ’s and have some of it done now but wife side tracked me with a sewing table and some shelves.

Can’t wait to see chapter 2
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 11:47 AM »
Thanks everyone!

@MikeGE the vertical space will get some small shelves. I added a few plywood cleats on the inside of those panels before assembly that the shelves will sit on (non-adjustable I'm afraid). I just haven't made them yet.

Before this bench I made a smaller Paulk-style bench and I really loved the cutouts for placing tools and clamps under the work surface. This new bench... in order to get the Systainer height I wanted and also use for my table saw cart, I don't have as much room under the work surface to place things. So the shelves in the vertical cavity will be for that -- smaller items like the Festool Quick Clamps, my Bosch 12v drivers, boxes of screws, etc. Stuff I want quick access to but not on top of the work area.

And on a similar note, the Systainers only take up half the depth of the bench, so the whole back side of the cart is open right now for future use. Possibly a good spot for a vac, small compressor, more Systainers/drawers, etc.
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Offline John Huh

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2020, 01:45 PM »
Nick, this is a great work. I do have something similar and may integrate your ideas into mine, if you don't mind. Much appreciate it.

I did add holders for the quick clamps and tracks.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2020, 01:57 PM by johnyhuh »

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2020, 06:05 PM »
Nick, this is a great work. I do have something similar and may integrate your ideas into mine, if you don't mind. Much appreciate it.

I did add holders for the quick clamps and tracks.

Thanks! Please borrow anything you'd like... as mentioned in the original post most of these ideas are from other people in the first place.

I love the quick clamp shelf you made, that looks slick.

 [thumbs up]
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2020, 01:19 PM »
Small update, I added some hardboard shelves to the middle section as intended. The pull out Systainer drawers are nice, but sometimes you want to keep something out, but move it off the work surface, and not have to put it back in the Systainer. I think these little nooks will be very useful for that, whether it's moving some drills out of the way, setting down a sander, or a bottle of glue or box of screws.





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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2020, 11:47 AM »
Some small updates to the bench:

First, I got a nice ball tip hex wrench, extra long, for adjusting the screws on the Festrool guide rail pivots as well as my Misumi fence hardware. It is dedicated for these purposes and stays with the bench.





Next, I am often removing the front guide rail support as it sticks up above the work surface, to make room for larger workpieces. It also gets in the way of vertical clamping larger boards. But I always want to put it back in the same alignment so as not to mess up my kerf line. Previously I had a little pencil mark drawn on the bench and lined it up by eye, but then I had the genius idea to add a stop screw.





The flat head of a Kreg screw makes a perfect stop for repeatability. Now I can take it on and off and know it will go back in the exact same position.

Lastly, I built the bench's first accessory -- a track saw holster to set my saw in between cuts. Full disclosure, I found a design I liked on Pinterest and more or less copied it to suit my needs. Pretty happy with how it came out!







It can attach to any of the bench's T-tracks with 1/4-20 hardware, and the "plate" of the holster is angled nose-down to prevent the saw from accidentally falling out.

I have a TON more ideas for expansions / upgrades on this project, just a matter of finding the time to get to them  [big grin]
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Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2020, 11:50 AM »
Nice work on the track saw holster.  I was just thinking I needed to do something.  I am tired of either setting it on the ground or on top of a systainer attached to my CT26.  Both seemed like a accident waiting to happen.  Thanks for the idea, information and pictures.  Man, I love pictures..

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2020, 05:24 PM »
A few updates:

I've picked up a Woodpecker's MFT Layout and Assembly Square for squaring up the fence. Since I don't rely on the dog holes at all for square, I need a large reliable square to do the setup every time I use it. Being solid 3/4" phenolic I'm hoping it will stay true in my detached garage that is subjected to extreme temperature and humidity swings (Minnesota!).



I also made some extension wings loosely based on Timothy Wilmots' design.



The main reason I made them is for the below configuration, to breakdown full 4'x8' sheets of plywood (would put foam insulation on top):



They are going to get 1/4" MDF tops as well... still debating on whether to give them the "holey top" treatment as well.



They are not quite finished, I still need to add stops for the legs, adjustable feet for the legs, some magnets so the legs stay folded, and some french cleats so I can hang them on the wall.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2020, 06:41 PM »
Nice work on the track saw holster.  I was just thinking I needed to do something.  I am tired of either setting it on the ground or on top of a systainer attached to my CT26.  Both seemed like a accident waiting to happen.  Thanks for the idea, information and pictures.  Man, I love pictures..

I put mine on an MDF tray that I cut to fit the top of my CT26, which sits right behind where I stand when cutting at my cutting table. The holster looks like a great idea, but it wouldn't work for me as a lefty.
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Offline acer66

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2020, 07:35 PM »
That all looks great, thank you for sharing.

Online MikeGE

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2020, 08:14 PM »
Nice build!  I like the track saw holder, which I will shamelessly borrow for my workbench.   [big grin]

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2020, 12:11 PM »
Nice work on the track saw holster.  I was just thinking I needed to do something.  I am tired of either setting it on the ground or on top of a systainer attached to my CT26.  Both seemed like a accident waiting to happen.  Thanks for the idea, information and pictures.  Man, I love pictures..

Thanks Rick! I was feeling the same way... nervous to knock an expensive saw on the floor!

I put mine on an MDF tray that I cut to fit the top of my CT26, which sits right behind where I stand when cutting at my cutting table. The holster looks like a great idea, but it wouldn't work for me as a lefty.

That works too! I don't have a CT vac, but hopefully one day.

That all looks great, thank you for sharing.

Thank you, happy to share!

Nice build!  I like the track saw holder, which I will shamelessly borrow for my workbench.   [big grin]

Thanks! Borrow away, as mentioned I borrowed the design myself. Knowing your bench build, I'm sure yours will be 10x more beautiful. It's a handy add-on for sure.
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2020, 02:42 PM »
A small update, I cut my fence extrusion like @AtomicRyan and @MikeGE , thanks for the brilliant idea guys!





It's so much better. Now smaller workpieces can have proper support all the way up to the kerf.



I was able to cut my 30x60 extrusion so the short part that goes under the rail is ~7/16" tall, or just shy of 1/2".



This way I can "natively" handle 1/2" material, and if I need to cut 1/4" I can double it up on another 1/4" spacer like MDF or hardboard to total 1/2" and clear the fence.

One step closer to completing my setup.

 [big grin]
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Offline Stimpy

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2020, 05:15 PM »
Just read this, looks bloody brilliant!

I also like Timothy's builds .

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2020, 04:35 PM »
Just read this, looks bloody brilliant!

I also like Timothy's builds .

Thank you @Stimpy

It's working well for me so far  [big grin]

Yes, Timothy has some amazing ideas to be inspired by. Thanks for checking it out.
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Online MikeGE

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2020, 04:45 PM »
Looking great, Nick!  It's nice when the plan finally starts to come together.

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2020, 09:43 PM »
VERY NICE!
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Offline mkasdin

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2020, 03:36 AM »
Nice job on the MFT and base. What size are the wheels 3” or 4”? I was thinking 5” but then it would start to take up too much vertical real estate....

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2020, 02:29 PM »
Looking great, Nick!  It's nice when the plan finally starts to come together.

Thanks @MikeGE !

VERY NICE!

Thank you!

Nice job on the MFT and base. What size are the wheels 3” or 4”? I was thinking 5” but then it would start to take up too much vertical real estate....

Sorry for the late reply. They are the 3" orange locking casters from Home Depot. The wheels themselves are 3", I believe the overall height they add to the bench is ~4". Thanks for checking it out!
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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2020, 04:24 PM »
You did an awesome job of adopting ideas and executing them.
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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2021, 07:19 PM »
Loving this design. I also for me would love to add the Peter Millard sacrifical strip where the blade goes.  That usually works if doing only/mostly right angle cuts bit regardless very good idea
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2021, 12:22 PM »
You did an awesome job of adopting ideas and executing them.

Thank you!

Loving this design. I also for me would love to add the Peter Millard sacrifical strip where the blade goes.  That usually works if doing only/mostly right angle cuts bit regardless very good idea

Thanks! My plan has always been to add a sacrificial strip after I saw @AtomicRyan do it. I'll probably get around to it when the current kerf no longer works  [big grin]

Because I always set the rail up in the same place there shouldn't be a need to replace it too often. Me, personally, I only do 90 degree cuts with the rail supports. My usage of my "MFT" with the tracksaw is purely to square sheet goods. If I ever do implement a multi-angle solution it will be the fence that moves, not the rail position. I know some people cut all over their holey top, but I like my bench to look clean. Currently, if I need to cut angles, I just do pencil marks and line up the track free hand on a rigid foam backer.

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Offline Wood_Slice

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2021, 03:01 PM »
I know some people cut all over their holey top, but I like my bench to look clean.

You and me both. My heart was pounding the first time I cut into it then I remembered it was a $10 work sheet (bought a 3/4" MDF full 4x8 sheet, can make 3 tops) and if you think about it- less than $5 per work side which will take me years to damage enough to flip the bottom side. So persevere and continue on cutting. 
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2021, 03:18 PM »
Did my first ply breakdown using the extension wings the other day.





And the holster worked a treat!



I think the bench has paid off because for the first time I was able to cut up several 3/4" 4x8 sheets without pain or annoyance!

 [big grin]
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2021, 10:45 AM »
Not sure this is really an update, but I've acquired my 2nd Festool, a CT15 dust extractor, to live in the back side of the MFT:



I kind of left this side of the MFT cart "blank" to wait and see what would go in it. Once I think about it some more I'll probably add some dividers and shelves to "dock" the vacuum and store other bench accessories. I also plan to make a boom arm for it.

 [big grin]
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Offline Jack01

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2021, 10:52 AM »
Nick
Excellent,
I am planning to build one MFT table so this is very helpful
I found a MFT tool set , which includes rail, Miter gauge, rail for miter gauge, stops etc.( made for MFT 3) which I am planning to buy.
I see that you have incorporated the rail holder in your aluminum profile. What kind of modification you have to make to make that work.

Offline nicholam77

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Re: My hybrid version of a DIY MFT Sysport
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2021, 12:00 PM »
Nick
Excellent,
I am planning to build one MFT table so this is very helpful
I found a MFT tool set , which includes rail, Miter gauge, rail for miter gauge, stops etc.( made for MFT 3) which I am planning to buy.
I see that you have incorporated the rail holder in your aluminum profile. What kind of modification you have to make to make that work.

Thank you @Jack01 .

I would take a look at my original post in this thread, there are some decent pics of how it was routed out, and a resource to Guy Dunlap's youtube video. This is what I copied, and he goes over it in detail.

He also wrote about it in this FOG thread, here.

For ease of others wondering as well, I'll repost the dimensions he came up with, below:



If you have a good deal on the MFT bits, then that makes sense. Otherwise I'd also recommend looking at the Dashboard rail pivots - more precise than the Festool parts and don't require the MFT profile to mount. Let me know if you have further questions, thanks for looking!
« Last Edit: May 11, 2021, 10:34 AM by nicholam77 »
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