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Offline phr0Ze

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One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« on: January 14, 2023, 06:48 PM »
I came up with some track holders. I didn't want anything near the splinter guard. I also didn’t want to have to turn knobs. Just lift and go. Being a garage door it needed to hold on even upside down.

So far so good in limited testing. The holder does not work with track squares attached so I’m making a separate holder for that.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2023, 07:07 PM »
Apparently I am missing something, How do they work?
If those little clamps are screwed to the door, it seems that the track slides in from the side? That's hardly "lift and go"
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Offline phr0Ze

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2023, 07:14 PM »
You lift the track and pull the bottom towards you. Thats it. The design uses gravity to keep the track from coming out while upside down.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2023, 07:21 PM »
Not a track owner, and living at a place with very very cold winters, even if I were one, I dare not hold anything of weight on the garage door. But looking at the nice (friction fit?) design, I have one question: would wear and tear on the the contact points of the plastic clips be a concern in the long run?

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2023, 09:20 PM »
Folks,
your missing the principle behind the design of this type of track storage bracket:
expect to see more on the internet by Dead On Workshop.
The principle works entirely based on gravity.

If interested, email me: info@tsoproducts.com  attention Hans

Offline ChuckS

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2023, 11:00 PM »
Obviously we did miss something. But to be fair, there wasn't much explanation given about how it actually worked.

Offline hdv

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2023, 05:55 AM »
I suspect there's a lip behind the rail that hooks into the slot at the backside.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2023, 07:59 AM »
I suspect there's a lip behind the rail that hooks into the slot at the backside.

A pic of the thing without the rail, might have made that more obvious.
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Offline hdv

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2023, 08:05 AM »
Indeed

Offline Vondawg

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2023, 08:31 AM »
Wow quite the welcome to someone new to the forum, just sharing a solution to their problem
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2023, 08:36 AM »
Someone is sharing and others are asking for more info. sincerely -- a good sign of interests -- and that's a problem?!

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2023, 08:54 AM »
Wow quite the welcome to someone new to the forum, just sharing a solution to their problem

I'm certainly not condemning the thing, looks interesting actually. The post is odd though? It's just a "throwing this out there" rather vaguely, and leaving no information about either making them for yourself, or when/if someone could be making them for sale?
Even a simple "would anyone be interested" would have been helpful.
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Online MikeGE

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2023, 09:00 AM »
Welcome to the FOG!

The clips are an interesting solution if you have the space to dedicate to only one track.  I have several tracks in my shop, with limited wall space, so I store them on a set of brackets with the splinter strips up.

What keeps the track in place when the garage door is raised and the unsupported edge applies torque to the clip?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2023, 11:55 AM »
It is clever, and uses less material than other designs.

Offline rst

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2023, 12:12 PM »
Not only clever it can be easily made without a printer by using thick ABS and a router table...looks like another just try it project.  As far as keeping on when door is opened, a simple toggle mechanism along the bottom edge will fix the fall off problem.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2023, 12:34 PM »
Apparently it already works when the door is open. See last pic.

There must be a short tab that hooks into the rail’s backs slot but it would have to be short enough that if the door was jostled too much the rail could come loose.

But I’m uncertain how this works given how shallow the recess in the visible part is. Maybe there is some springiness to the material and/or design of the part that fits into the back slot?

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2023, 04:35 PM »
It appears as though the bracket does indeed go behind the rail and likely has a tongue that fits into the back with the tail being removed by sliding to one side and then back the other way.

I’d like to mount my 3000mm rail but don’t want to drill into my door and worried how well some 3M adhesive or such will hold up in the cold winter where perhaps it will peel off.

OP, can you elaborate on these points?

Offline phr0Ze

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2023, 04:10 PM »
I apologize for the delay, I'm new here and I wasn't sure what details would be most relavent on the original post. Here are some of the many prototypes including a few that used springs. In the end, gravity based is working better and easier to print than spring based. If I have the door open and I wack the track with lumber or something there is still a chance of it falling. Depending on how hard you hit something, even plastic could break or screws could rip out. I'm a careful person but should I try to fix these concerns? At what point are risks sufficiently addressed?

The ones mounted to my garage now are PLA. However they are also designed to allow easy printing in other materials with zero support. It is also designed with the ideal layer alignment for strength. Being winter PLA is fine and is actually quite rigid. My garage gets warm in the summer but not blistering. I may see how the PLA does or move to ASA.

The design also allows the top screw to be placed while mounted on the track so the track itself can be used for alignment. A slide in name plate is used to hide the screw and make the holder more attractive. The slide in name plate also allows various compatible brands to be interchanged. Working alone, I found hanging these while holding up a track was not practical.  I ended up measuring and marking for my second track. I liked working that way better. Spacing of 24-28" seems ideal but still testing.

I'm working on holders for my TSO Parallel Guides and square.

I hope I addressed all the questions.


Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2023, 07:25 AM »
That's a lot clearer.
I like the spring idea for mounting on door that might get opened, while the track is in place, but agree that it's probably not necessary in a static situation.
You mention 24"-28" as an ideal spacing. What size track are you testing there? The FS1400 that generally comes with the saws? I would think that the longer tracks are more challenging to store, but the total volume of such tracks out in the wild would be lower too? You wouldn't be able to fit anything longer than a FS1900 on a one car garage door anyway, but up high on a long wall, might be ideal for a lot of guys. You don't typically use those long rails as often. It might take multiple "sets" of these for a FS3000 rail.
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Offline festal

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2023, 07:53 AM »
@phr0Ze how does one get them?  are they for sale? file available for self printing?

Offline Vondawg

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2023, 09:09 AM »
@phrOZe great job ! Good luck if you plan on selling these, I think you’ve come up with something many seem to be interested in
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Packard

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2023, 12:06 PM »
It appears as though the bracket does indeed go behind the rail and likely has a tongue that fits into the back with the tail being removed by sliding to one side and then back the other way.

I’d like to mount my 3000mm rail but don’t want to drill into my door and worried how well some 3M adhesive or such will hold up in the cold winter where perhaps it will peel off.

OP, can you elaborate on these points?

Use the 3M double face to act as a “clamp”, while the E6000 adhesive cures.  The E6000 will not fail if a generous application is used.  It is like silicone adhesive on steroids.  Styrene based, it is heat resistant (you can use it to hem you jeans and still run it through the washer and dryer).

I routinely use the mirror adhesive mounting squares for that exact purpose.  Where strength is not an issue, I use them with silicone adhesive.  E6000 is available in hobby shops and home centers.  It remains flexible, so vibrations are not an issue.

Also from Amazon.com in squeeze tube and caulking tubes.

Offline phr0Ze

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2023, 10:33 PM »
Use the 3M double face to act as a “clamp”, while the E6000 adhesive cures.  The E6000 will not fail if a generous application is used.  It is like silicone adhesive on steroids.  Styrene based, it is heat resistant (you can use it to hem you jeans and still run it through the washer and dryer).

I routinely use the mirror adhesive mounting squares for that exact purpose.  Where strength is not an issue, I use them with silicone adhesive.  E6000 is available in hobby shops and home centers.  It remains flexible, so vibrations are not an issue.

Also from Amazon.com in squeeze tube and caulking tubes.

It would not be something I’d directly suggest because I just don’t know the adhesives. With that said it’s probably easier to plug a screw hole than clean up that adhesive.


Offline phr0Ze

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2023, 10:38 PM »
@phr0Ze how does one get them?  are they for sale? file available for self printing?

If you are in the US, I’ll mail you a pair as long as you understand it is ‘beta’  and it will be PLA, not for hot garages. Anyways, If all that sounds cool dm an address.

Offline festal

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2023, 06:55 AM »
@phr0Ze how does one get them?  are they for sale? file available for self printing?

If you are in the US, I’ll mail you a pair as long as you understand it is ‘beta’  and it will be PLA, not for hot garages. Anyways, If all that sounds cool dm an address.

I'm in US.  DM'd you my address.  Totally understand
Thank you

Offline afish

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Re: One handed track holders for garage doors or walls.
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2023, 09:57 AM »
It appears as though the bracket does indeed go behind the rail and likely has a tongue that fits into the back with the tail being removed by sliding to one side and then back the other way.

I’d like to mount my 3000mm rail but don’t want to drill into my door and worried how well some 3M adhesive or such will hold up in the cold winter where perhaps it will peel off.

OP, can you elaborate on these points?

At some point you have to question which method will cause more damage or be bigger PITA if removing the mounts later a few screw holes that can be filled with some white caulk or scraping some super strong adhesive off cleanly without damage. If you are dead set against possibly marring the door then I would look at using the existing door hardware, somehow.  Based on my experience with most garage doors you should have some hinges at the top and bottom of each panel.  I would try to remove the screws for the hinge and span between them with some 1/2 ply. (You will need to get longer screws)then screw the track mounts to the ply.