Author Topic: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!! (Read 91367 times)

bkharman · « **on:** April 08, 2014, 06:02 PM »

It is with great joy that I give my review of the Precision Plate from Precision Dogs. This is something that I worked on with Jerry for a few months now and it is AWESOME! If you have an Incra LS Positioner (I have a 25) and an MFT and probably a CMS, this thing is worth every penny. A little background here... I have had my MFT + Incra LS + CMS-VL for a while and had always "made due" with my MDF plate or clamps and rail dogs. It worked well, but wasn't exactly a quick breakdown and setup and often I had to fidget with some things to get it just right. And after all of that work to get it set right, I didnt want to mess with it until all of my routing was done in fear that I would mess something up or tinker again to get it right. This is where the plate will get rid of that fear...

A basic pic of the plate (hard to see under the Incra LS base)

It is very, VERY solid. It uses a plate that is 15mm high and as you can see, is just a tad wider than the base itself. It uses 6 bolts to attach the base to the plate and then uses M8 threaded dogs underneath to attach inline to the MFT.

To keep the weight down, he milled out various areas as well as put a recess on each side to pull it up when disconnecting from the table.

Setup is very simple. You have three spots to fit the 2 dogs so you can go to the outside areas, or if you are limited for space and need to hang off the edge of the MFT (or any other bench) you can go on the back two dog holes.

After it is setup, locked down and the knobs are attached to the bottom, I checked square at the plate as well as the fence and all looked perfect! (I used dogs in holes at the other end of the MFT to make sure fence was square when setting it up)

Fully extended, the thing is rock solid! I can barely make the fence move... The inline placement of the dogs and the material make this thing a beast. With my prior setups, I was at the mercy of other elements and clamps and such. Even with my LS out at 25", it has little to no movement.

So short story is, the plate is light yet very strong. The inline layout of the dogs (and they are very snug in the holes) and using the knobs make it very strong forward to aft, but also because of the design of the LS itself, it has almost no play in the fence when fully extended. I am very pleased with this offering and would highly recommend it to anyone with an MFT using an Incra LS. I have done some routing with it and it works like a charm. I plan on making some further mods to join my CMS slider to the Incra Right Angle Fixture so it is "one unit".

Feel free to email me any questions or if you want some additional pics.

Cheers. Bryan.

jonathan-m · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:09 PM »

I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?

dpetrzelka · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:16 PM »

Very cool - I've got an LS positioner just waiting to be pulled from my old table saw.

bkharman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:26 PM »

Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 06:09 PM

I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?

Jonathan, I can't tell from that pic but the bolt holes look different. On the newer t-track style, they are 3" apart. I will get the exact specs when I am back home.

I hope the bolt pattern matches up!

shed9 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:53 PM »

The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

dpetrzelka · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:58 PM »

Ah, mine is the red base version as well - TS-LS red steel base

jonathan-m · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM »

Quote from: shed9 on April 08, 2014, 06:53 PM

The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10

Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though

Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

bkharman · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:26 PM »

The threaded holes are 3" apart, front to back. They are also 1.5" away from the edge of the plate with is 9" long. I can mock up the full dimensions if it helps. I would contemplate drilling holes to accept the 6 bolts vs. buying a new base for the LS/TS. I bet it possible (provided the existing bolt holes aren't extremely close by.

cheers. Bryan.

Anodyne · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:55 PM »

This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

bkharman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:12 PM »

Quote from: Anodyne on April 08, 2014, 07:55 PM

This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

It will be a game changer for folks wanting an LS or ones who have it. I assume you are like me and don't have a separate table for assembly, routing, cutting, etc.

Being able to pull my Incra off in a few seconds and then put it back on with no adjusting is awesome.

Reiska · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2014, 12:13 AM »

So where do I buy one?

Slappy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2014, 12:31 AM »

I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
this is well worth me buying one instead
I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

b_m_hart · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:00 AM »

Ugh. PayPal only - I freaking hate PayPal

Kev · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:02 AM »

Quote from: Reiska on April 09, 2014, 12:13 AM

So where do I buy one?

Hope they ship worldwide !!!

This'll save me the effort of doing it myself ... and is therefore more likely to eventuate

Kev · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:12 AM »

OK ... ordered one, where is it? - should have been here by now, it's over 5 minutes

shed9 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2014, 02:56 AM »

Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM

Quote from: shed9 on April 08, 2014, 06:53 PM
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

These guys are closer to home;

http://www.fine-tools.com/werkstatt.html

Drop them an email regarding the part, they should be able to get it for you.

Michael_Swe · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2014, 04:04 AM »

Thanks!
I just ordered one. This is exactly what I need but never find the time to make.
//Michael

CJ'60 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM »

Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

bkharman · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:08 AM »

Quote from: CJ'60 on April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM

Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

bkharman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:09 AM »

Quote from: Slappy on April 09, 2014, 12:31 AM

I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
this is well worth me buying one instead
I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

The plate is so worth it. It is a joy to work with. It took me < 10 minutes for initial setup and mere seconds to unattach and reattach.

You will really like it.

bkharman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:10 AM »

A couple more iphone photos of just the plate:

CJ'60 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:37 AM »

Quote from: bkharman on April 09, 2014, 08:08 AM

Quote from: CJ'60 on April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM
Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.

bkharman · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:43 AM »

Quote from: CJ'60 on April 09, 2014, 08:37 AM

Quote from: bkharman on April 09, 2014, 08:08 AM
Quote from: CJ'60 on April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM
Quote from: jonathan-m on April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.

My bad Karel... Trying to read this on a smartphone screen doesn't always work so well!

Reiska · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:51 AM »

Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)
Edit: Well, both Dieter and Jerry got back to me promptly and Jerry added Finland to the list of shipping countries... and wait for it... sold-out with the plates before I managed to order one...

Well, at least I have placed my order for my metric LS25 Superfence kit + router bit selections from Dieter and once Jerry gets more plates in stock I'll get the plate... haven't ordered the MFT-VL yet so no major rush... just a bit of a D'oh moment Homer style

Michael_Swe · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2014, 09:00 AM »

I payed USD 32 for USPS First Class (1-3 days) shipping to Sweden.

bkharman · « **Reply #25 on:** April 09, 2014, 09:04 AM »

Quote from: Reiska on April 09, 2014, 08:51 AM

Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)

Reiska,

I am glad you posted, you were one of the people I thought of when this came out! I do hope you end up with one as it is a solid interface. I know you have limited (indoor) space to work with so getting your LS on and off the table quickly is key.

Let me know who responds first!

Slappy · « **Reply #26 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:32 PM »

that's the beauty of this whole design is the speed in set-up & then removing the LS positioner from the table all the while of being absolutely Square with no need to adjust anything to be square .
I was working on building my own design but was hung up on getting a absolute square jig outta my own limited tooling in my shop .
I had gotten the all materials I needed & was proceeding forward but when this hit , I added up all $$$ I had in material costs , this plate was near that figure .
with any mistake or slight flaw in my design that would have put me over in costs of materials & some AL plate stock with holes in it

I couldn't use .
the materials I have can now be re-purposed but couldn't be used IF I had flawed in any way .
I got a shipping notice a hour after I ordered , I should have it in hand tomorrow
as they ship from La La Land

b_m_hart · « **Reply #27 on:** April 09, 2014, 05:50 PM »

Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

bkharman · « **Reply #28 on:** April 09, 2014, 05:53 PM »

Quote from: b_m_hart on April 09, 2014, 05:50 PM

Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

I am not the biggest PP fan either (and I contract with them!) but I am glad you are picking one up... I am shooting a quick video how well it works and will have it up In a few.

EDIT: Here is the video I made demonstrating how easy it is to "set and forget" this plate... One handed no less!!

bkharman · « **Reply #29 on:** April 09, 2014, 07:31 PM »

Bump for video add above.

iamnothim · « **Reply #30 on:** April 10, 2014, 12:47 PM »

I truly want one for my CMS/VL.
Dust collection is the only rub.

bkharman · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2014, 01:16 PM »

Quote from: iamnothim on April 10, 2014, 12:47 PM

I truly want one for my CMS/VL.
Dust collection is the only rub.

Hey there. Dust collection is superb with the LS fence. I didn't show it on my pics, but the large 36mm hose connects to the side of the LS and collects through the fence itself. The smaller hose still connects through the router under the table. Dust collection is nearly as good as the OOTB fence that comes with the CMS.

Do you have an LS currently? Or are you looking at getting one?

cheers. Bryan.

iamnothim · « **Reply #32 on:** April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM »

I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

bkharman · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2014, 07:35 PM »

Quote from: iamnothim on April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM

I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have? The VL or the GE? If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

richk · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2014, 08:03 PM »

What would be the best way to connect the MFT/3 to the CMS Model GE?

Christopher Robinson · « **Reply #35 on:** April 10, 2014, 08:04 PM »

Nice product!

bkharman · « **Reply #36 on:** April 10, 2014, 08:44 PM »

Quote from: richk on April 10, 2014, 08:03 PM

What would be the best way to connect the MFT/3 to the CMS Model GE?

I don't have a GE, but I believe you can use the same MFT to MFT connectors. Hopefully someone with an MFT can speak up.

That being said, the width of the MFT and the width of the CMS-GE are different so it might be a little challenging. Just an FYI.

Cheers. Bryan.

iamnothim · « **Reply #37 on:** April 11, 2014, 11:55 AM »

Quote from: bkharman on April 10, 2014, 07:35 PM

Quote from: iamnothim on April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have? The VL or the GE? If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS".

duh

Mines a "VL" Better yet.... It's the one that connects to an MFT/3

bkharman · « **Reply #38 on:** April 11, 2014, 01:02 PM »

Quote from: iamnothim on April 11, 2014, 11:55 AM

Quote from: bkharman on April 10, 2014, 07:35 PM
Quote from: iamnothim on April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have? The VL or the GE? If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS". duh

Mines a "VL" Better yet.... It's the one that connects to an MFT/3

Perfect! Then if you get the Incra LS (either the 17 or 25) you are all setup! I also have the CMS that only has two legs and attaches to the MFT.

Let me know if you are headed that route. I can definitely give you some ideas of how it can help out. I really like my setup, but I will say it isn't for everyone.

Slappy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 11, 2014, 01:53 PM »

Quote from: bkharman on April 11, 2014, 01:02 PM

Quote from: iamnothim on April 11, 2014, 11:55 AM
Quote from: bkharman on April 10, 2014, 07:35 PM
Quote from: iamnothim on April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have? The VL or the GE? If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS". duh

Mines a "VL" Better yet.... It's the one that connects to an MFT/3

Perfect! Then if you get the Incra LS (either the 17 or 25) you are all setup! I also have the CMS that only has two legs and attaches to the MFT.

Let me know if you are headed that route. I can definitely give you some ideas of how it can help out. I really like my setup, but I will say it isn't for everyone.

you can use a 32" LS , I ordered one with the base for the router LS positioner all you do is call Incra @ Incrementaltools.com & they will install the router base plate on a 32" TS positioner
order this http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_LS_32_Range_Positioner_ONLY_p/ls32.htm
& then ask that the other base be installed on it
I have both the 17" & 32" with the bolt on base

gimmesomeshelter · « **Reply #40 on:** April 12, 2014, 12:34 AM »

Do you have any other products on the works?

Cheers,

Paul

Kev · « **Reply #41 on:** April 12, 2014, 04:55 AM »

Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25

Thoughts?

shed9 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 12, 2014, 06:29 AM »

Quote from: Kev on April 12, 2014, 04:55 AM

Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25

Thoughts?

I'm not sure you would have much deflection difference between a 17 and a 25. I have the 25 and a 32 and there is no noticeable difference between them two.

The one thing that will catch people out with the longer 25 fence is the space it eats up when its extended out. I would have thought the 17 would be plenty for routing only functions, whereas the 25 would be necessary if you run multiple cutting options such as a router (inset into the the table) and a saw blade.

shed9 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 12, 2014, 06:44 AM »

Thinking about this and I'm going to kick myself for suggesting it (I'm open to royalties and first batch run

)

How about.......

a bolt on bracket that allows the above adaptor to sit off an MFT table, i.e. a 90 degree bracket that slides onto the outside of the MFT table profile and allows the positioner alloy housing to sit off the actual table.

You could then butt an LR32 rail to the Incra fence and drill your own MFT tables using the spacing of the rail and precision of the positioner. You would need stop for the rail or another adaptor - maybe a bracket that bypasses the fence and connects to the end of a bare positioner and clips over the rail raised edge.

With some thought behind the adaptor being able to connect to other surfaces such as a couple if bolt holes in addition to the profile slides you could drill any size of MFT table whenever you wanted.

bkharman · « **Reply #44 on:** April 12, 2014, 09:34 AM »

Quote from: Kev on April 12, 2014, 04:55 AM

Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25

Thoughts?

Here are my thoughts after having one for a while now. When using with a MFT, I would go with the 17. I bought the 25 thinking it would be nice to have it when/if I get the CMS TS insert. I am not sure I will get it anything soon but to the question about deflection, I can have my 25 out all the way and it doesn't move. You have to really push on the sides by themselves to get it to budge. Everything is solid.

I would say if you are only routing, the 17 is more than fine. If you have a CMS TS (or can get one

) then the 25 is probably a bit better. Be warned, the 25 on the MFT all the way out, will take over the whole table!

Cheers. Bryan.

Reiska · « **Reply #45 on:** April 12, 2014, 10:54 AM »

Well, I ordered the 25" model last night specifically to be able to utilize the whole table width when using it with my CMS-TS55 insert as a table saw. We'll see how much full width cutting use it will get.

I'm not really expecting to be able to use the MFT as a table while using it as a saw/router table though.

bkharman · « **Reply #46 on:** April 12, 2014, 11:21 AM »

Quote from: Reiska on April 12, 2014, 10:54 AM

Well, I ordered the 25" model last night specifically to be able to utilize the whole table width when using it with my CMS-TS55 insert as a table saw. We'll see how much full width cutting use it will get.

I'm not really expecting to be able to use the MFT as a table while using it as a saw/router table though.

Awesome!

I generally don't need to use the table for other things also but now with the Precision Plate, I can remove it, do what I need to do and put it back down without worry of recalibrating it.

Workflow and unexpected events are now a lot less worrisome than it was in the past.

Did you order the plate as well Reiska?

Reiska · « **Reply #47 on:** April 12, 2014, 12:13 PM »

Yes and since I'm going to go through customs anyway I ordered the parallel guide set as well. ;-)

bkharman · « **Reply #48 on:** April 12, 2014, 12:31 PM »

Quote from: Reiska on April 12, 2014, 12:13 PM

Yes and since I'm going to go through customs anyway I ordered the parallel guide set as well. ;-)

Good choice! I have had the guide set and really like it. It can cut thin rips pretty well and is infinitely adjustable. I have a few t tracks to use with it (up to a 48").

Reiska · « **Reply #49 on:** April 12, 2014, 12:54 PM »

I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.

Kev · « **Reply #50 on:** April 12, 2014, 05:51 PM »

Quote from: Reiska on April 12, 2014, 12:54 PM

I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.

Hmm, maybe I should have grabbed them too

Reiska, I'm probably going to hold off on the positioner till you get your 25, please let me know then whether you would have been happier with the 17.

... well, they're both in a shopping basket and I'm hovering over the checkout button

bkharman · « **Reply #51 on:** April 12, 2014, 06:05 PM »

Quote from: Kev on April 12, 2014, 05:51 PM

Quote from: Reiska on April 12, 2014, 12:54 PM
I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.

Hmm, maybe I should have grabbed them too

Reiska, I'm probably going to hold off on the positioner till you get your 25, please let me know then whether you would have been happier with the 17.

... well, they're both in a shopping basket and I'm hovering over the checkout button

Would you be using the CMS LS Kev? If you just have the router only, the 17 will be good unless you were going to run grooves and dadoes far out or do some box or dovetail joints where they would be 24" (610mm) tall.

If I were to do it again, with out the TS unit, I would go the 17 route. If you have the TS, get the 25 to get that larger rip width.

Hope this helps!

Slappy · « **Reply #52 on:** April 12, 2014, 06:46 PM »

If one registers @ Incrementaltools.com to receive their e-mails they will in few days send you a 10% off your 1st order coupon
Incremental tools is the official Incra web store , the MFGer outlet store
they have the lowest prices on everything Incra
they have fast shipping as well
the store also has daily & weekly specials the weeklies have 20% coupons so if you wait just about everything will shop up there @ 20% off
I've bought a load of parts this way & saved a lot
not a Incra employee ( I wish ) OR compensated in any way by them Just a FANBOI !

deeka · « **Reply #53 on:** May 12, 2014, 12:41 PM »

the precision plate on the precision dogs website is listed as out of stock. Does anyone know when it will be available again? Is there an alternative, if they stop manufacturing the plate?

thanks

bkharman · « **Reply #54 on:** May 12, 2014, 01:03 PM »

Quote from: deeka on May 12, 2014, 12:41 PM

the precision plate on the precision dogs website is listed as out of stock. Does anyone know when it will be available again? Is there an alternative, if they stop manufacturing the plate?

thanks

Email them, jerry is a great guy to work with. Someone over at Precision should get back to you pretty quickly.

ryansmythe · « **Reply #55 on:** May 12, 2014, 01:50 PM »

Here are some pictures of my setup.

suds · « **Reply #56 on:** February 10, 2015, 04:39 PM »

Wondered how this setup was working for you fellas? How does this plate work better than a simple mounting to a 3/4" board with holes for Qwas Dogs? I know I'm missing something here.

bkharman · « **Reply #57 on:** February 10, 2015, 11:23 PM »

Quote from: suds on February 10, 2015, 04:39 PM

Wondered how this setup was working for you fellas? How does this plate work better than a simple mounting to a 3/4" board with holes for Qwas Dogs? I know I'm missing something here.

I still use it all the time! I tried that route first, I had a piece of ¾ MDF with some holes and still ended up using clamps to get it stable. In all honesty, I worked with Jerry at Precision to come up with a kick butt product so I am a little tied to this one. ;^)

I love the simplicity, how solid it is and that I can dial it in in under 2 minutes if I move it around or switch from routing to cutting to whatever.

If you make your own or purchase the Precision Plate, you can't go wrong with the combo + Incra fence.

Cheers. Bryan.

Reiska · « **Reply #58 on:** February 11, 2015, 02:32 PM »

Happy camper with mine too.

I just don't feel like using my very precious time making something to fiddling with setup when I can just drop the Incra on the plate into the holes, screw one knob in and start cutting.

Its solid, its neat, hides under the Incra attachment plate, no need to have clamps around, etc. Just a big win.

Claimdude · « **Reply #59 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:12 PM »

I am a little slow right now I guess but I don't see the benefit of this setup for anything except a router table attachment to the work bench. I have an LS on my Incra router table. Can the positioner be used on the work table (MFT) for sawing setup etc?

Jack

bkharman · « **Reply #60 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:21 PM »

It is mainly for people with MFT and CMS-VL. I use it for routing, cutting and alike. If you ever had to use the stock CMS fence, you would understand a lot quicker!

Cheers. Bryan.

Claimdude · « **Reply #61 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:27 PM »

Thanks Bryan! I have no need for one then.

Jack

NoDeuces · « **Reply #62 on:** February 04, 2017, 03:31 PM »

Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.

bkharman · « **Reply #63 on:** February 04, 2017, 06:30 PM »

Quote from: NoDeuces on February 04, 2017, 03:31 PM

Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.

I got the sliding table and Y hose at the time of purchase so I never knew better.

Enjoy the setup, I love mine almost 3 years later!!

Cheers. Bryan.

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ach_78 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 07, 2017, 08:33 AM »

Hi guys,

I have a LS positionner but the steel rule on it has zero on the right side.
If I put it on the left side, the numbers will be upside down.

I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

Bvps · « **Reply #65 on:** February 08, 2017, 07:51 AM »

Hy, your ruler is right. If you position the fence against the blade, zero has to be under the hairlinecurser of the positionner.
now you can slide the fence away from the blade and reed the difference under the hairline. sorry for my bad english.

lg
Bernd

Bohdan · « **Reply #66 on:** February 08, 2017, 08:08 AM »

Quote from: ach_78 on February 07, 2017, 08:33 AM

I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

@ach_78
Have a look at these rules

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_Metric_Scales_p/pc-scalesmm.htm

You might be able to use the lexan ones

ach_78 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:33 AM »

Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

ach_78 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:47 AM »

Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

RobBob · « **Reply #69 on:** February 08, 2017, 02:35 PM »

Quote from: ach_78 on February 08, 2017, 11:33 AM

Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

Starrett has English/Metric left to right in the USA. Not sure about metric only.

Starrett Measure Stix SM44ME Steel White Measure Tape with Adhesive Backing, English/Metric Graduation Style, Left To Right Reading

bkharman · « **Reply #70 on:** February 08, 2017, 08:33 PM »

Quote from: ach_78 on February 08, 2017, 11:47 AM

Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

I am not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the distance between the router bit (or saw blade) and the fence face? If so, it is whatever LS positioner you have.

A LS 25 will give you about 24" from face to bit/blade. If you move the plate to the last set of holes you will have about 4 feet or so since you are taking the table length.

If you have multiple MFTs you could go back really far (not that it is a good thing!).

Hope this helps.

Cheers. Bryan.

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ach_78 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 13, 2017, 07:58 AM »

What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

bkharman · « **Reply #72 on:** February 13, 2017, 01:09 PM »

Quote from: ach_78 on February 13, 2017, 07:58 AM

What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

I will have to measure it when I am back in my shop.

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bkharman · « **Reply #73 on:** February 19, 2017, 08:20 PM »

Quote from: ach_78 on February 13, 2017, 07:58 AM

What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

Distance is just under a meter. Right around 90cm with the split fence in and would be at about 97cm without it.

Hope this helps.

Cheers. Bryan.

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ach_78 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 20, 2017, 11:26 AM »

thanks!

Welshdog · « **Reply #75 on:** April 11, 2017, 02:34 AM »

So does Festool offer a way to buy most everything in included in the CMS-VL set <except> the fence? That would make this a lot more appealing. Don't really want to pay for two fences I don't think. Their website seems to be non-functional when it comes to router tables right now, so I can't really check.

Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail? Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!

backhoebb · « **Reply #76 on:** May 06, 2018, 09:28 PM »

bkharmon, your setup looks superb, am I right is saying that you also have the ts module for your setup? could you post some pictures and give a little info? I have a mft3 and just ordered the cms vl. I am very intrested in the saw setup as well as the incra system.
kindest regards

ProCarpenterRVA · « **Reply #77 on:** May 07, 2018, 01:07 PM »

This is great timing. I picked up an incra set up over the weekend from a woodworker leaving town, the whole shebang incra router table with woodpeckers lift. Porter-Cable 7518. Tree fiddy

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backhoebb · « **Reply #78 on:** May 08, 2018, 07:46 PM »

I'm hoping someone chimes in here as to there experiences with the ts module for the cms or preferably the cms-vl as I have on in the mail:)

denovo · « **Reply #79 on:** May 08, 2018, 10:19 PM »

Quote from: Welshdog on April 11, 2017, 02:34 AM

So does Festool offer a way to buy most everything in included in the CMS-VL set <except> the fence? That would make this a lot more appealing. Don't really want to pay for two fences I don't think. Their website seems to be non-functional when it comes to router tables right now, so I can't really check.

Originally I was thinking along the same lines as you and couldn't find a way to buy the CMS-VL set without the festool fence. Long story short I bought the set and the festool fence does complement the Incra fence. I install a 3" long 1/2" spiral router bit and use the festool fence as a jointer to cleanup/shave down the edge of whatever I'm working on.

I had a kitchen door that was 2mm wider then it should have been so I used the festool fence to take off 1mm from each side (shaker door). It was faster and more accurate then trying to use the table saw or track saw.

Bohdan · « **Reply #80 on:** May 09, 2018, 12:11 AM »

I have both and find that even though I really hate the way the Festool fence sets up I use it more than the Incra fence because I do a lot of edge jointing on the router with a power feed and for this it is almost ideal.

However setting it up in the first place is a PITA.

backhoebb · « **Reply #81 on:** May 09, 2018, 01:06 AM »

could you show us how you have a power feeder configured on your cms?

Bohdan · « **Reply #82 on:** May 09, 2018, 03:30 AM »

It's a generic 3 wheel power feed and I have a Basis table which is what preceeded the CMS. The CMS inserts all fit without modification and the one that I use has the OF2200 mounted in it.

I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts. The rear bolts are tapped into a block of ali which is then held in place by a set of T bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.

The only problem that I have ever had is that I set it for a very large rebate cut and it blew the fuse in the Basis table.

Had to go back and set it to do the cut in two passes.

RKA · « **Reply #83 on:** May 09, 2018, 09:36 AM »

Quote from: Welshdog on April 11, 2017, 02:34 AM

Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail? Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!

@Welshdog
That's probably not ideal. For one, the incra base and fence can take up a bit of real estate and the rail on the MFT is offset from the right edge of the table. I haven't measured it, but you might be limited to 20" crosscuts doing what you suggested. Second, the incra fence spans the depth of the MFT completely, so there is no room for the MFT fence that is oriented perpendicular to your rail along the back of the MFT. You could use a pair of dogs instead. Now if you're using dogs for rail and stock alignment and just need that fixed stop, you might get up to a 24" crosscut capacity, maybe a little more. It's an alternate use for the incra fence, but I think it's main advantage is in use with the CMS.

TinyShop · « **Reply #84 on:** May 09, 2018, 05:13 PM »

Quote from: Bohdan on May 09, 2018, 03:30 AM

I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.

Thanks - this is super interesting! Any chance I can bother you for a photo that shows the mod you did to the underside of the table and another that shows the entire table with the powerfeed installed (in other words, stand back and take a photo of the whole setup)? I would be most appreciative!

Bohdan · « **Reply #85 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:25 PM »

To show how the steel insert is fitted I would have to completely disassemble the table by removing the parts that hold the legs on and then extract the ali extrusion that the power feed is bolted to. Not something that is easy.

The table extrusion has a rectangular hollow section that I inserted the steel plate into from one end. It was just a piece of 10 mm plate (IIRC) that I cut to fit the width of the hollow section and long enough to cover the width of the power feed base.

I drilled the holes in the ali section to suit the power feed base, inserted the steel and while holding it in place, marked one of the holes in the steel. I then tapped it and refitted the steel to the ali holding it in place with a bolt. Drilled and tapped the other hole. I then mounted the base of the power feed by one bolt and after removing the original bolt, fitted the other one.

TinyShop · « **Reply #86 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:47 PM »

@Bohdan - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup!

Bohdan · « **Reply #87 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:59 PM »

BTW The power feed can also be used with any of the saw modules by just changing the insert.

TinyShop · « **Reply #88 on:** May 09, 2018, 09:13 PM »

Quote from: TinyShop on May 09, 2018, 08:47 PM

@Bohdan - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup!

And just so people know what we're talking about, here's an exploded image of the Basis base unit:

In contrast to the design of the CMS base unit, the Basis has a lot more to work with for mounting a power feeder.

That said, it might be possible to adopt @Bohdan's technique of sliding a piece of steel plate into the hollow extrusion on the CMS frame, though there's noticeably less mounting surface and not nearly as beefy of an extrusion:

backhoebb · « **Reply #89 on:** May 10, 2018, 08:27 PM »

Any chance someone, bkharman? could post pictures of there saw module in the cms and give some feedback on its pros and cons, I ordered a cms-v, and am undecided on importing the saw module.

TinyShop · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2018, 10:18 PM »

mattbyington · « **Reply #91 on:** October 07, 2018, 09:14 PM »

Hey guys sorry to bump this thread.

I received my LS positioned but unfortunately the base doesn't have the holes in it for the screws that the precision plate mounts to.

I saw on the website it mentions I can drill my own holes:
https://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

What did others do? I'd rather not drill into it - it mentions a TS plate or something that would work with it.

Anyone have recommendations on how to mount this? Sorry for the stupid question!

Matt

It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!

RobBob · « **Reply #92 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:02 PM »

Looks like both Incra and Precision Dogs have made changes since I bought mine, but...

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate. I think there will be existing holes that you can use to bolt the LS to the red steel plate and then the red steel plate to the Precision Dogs plate.

Look closely at the pictures in the link you provided above. The original Precision Dog plate used the gold plate. The new Precision Dog plate uses the red steel plate only. Do not use both.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #93 on:** October 08, 2018, 05:22 AM »

Quote from: RobBob on October 07, 2018, 10:02 PM

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate.

Spot on.

mattbyington · « **Reply #94 on:** October 08, 2018, 10:37 AM »

OK gotcha, thanks all!

tjskinny · « **Reply #95 on:** August 10, 2019, 03:31 AM »

One more bump on this;

My LS positioner came in last week and the Precision Plate with the red TS plate today. I was wondering if anyone with this configuration had to also install a shim between the red TS plate and the LS positioner base to raise the LS positioner carriage up enough so you could attach the fence ? Wasn’t an issue to do so, just surprised it was required.

Todd

Joelm · « **Reply #96 on:** August 10, 2019, 12:37 PM »

Please let us know how it turns out. I've got an LS on order and a precision plate (without the red base) waiting for it. I might need to reach out to precision dogs to see if I can get a red base.

tjskinny · « **Reply #97 on:** August 10, 2019, 09:28 PM »

You can drill holes in the mounting base that comes with the LS positioner to match the Precision plate and you won’t have to worry about the height issue. Here is a photo of what I did - wood under the Red TS plate. Also show how I plan to connect the CMS-GE to the MFT.. well see how well it works.. fingers crossed.

lshah72414 · « **Reply #98 on:** August 11, 2019, 07:47 AM »

@tjskinny
I went and checked my setup, since mine dropped right in with the red plate. It's been about a year and a half to two years since I installed, but I think there are two screws(loosens a bracket) to loosen and you can adjust the fence up and down so you don't have to use a shim. Don't know if this will help you. Good luck

vkumar · « **Reply #99 on:** October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM »

I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

WilliamT · « **Reply #100 on:** October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM »

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #101 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:22 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

Hi @WilliamT!

Depending on your setup, you can just loosen (2) screws that hold the fence to LS carriage assembly and adjust the fence to compensate for the height difference.

Let me know if it will work for you!

P.S. If anyone has any questions about Precision Plate fit, do not hesitate to contact me here or drop me an email directly.

tjskinny · « **Reply #102 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:42 PM »

During assembly I had tried to use the slots in the fence connection plate, but the slots are located to low to work without shimming up the Incra assembly.

1st image shows height difference

This show screw through slot at the “highest” position that will not thread into the mating nut at this position. Slot is just not quite in the right spot. I could have extended the slot to make it work, but choose to shim.

vkumar · « **Reply #103 on:** October 15, 2019, 04:07 PM »

Quote from: vkumar on October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM

I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

@Jerry Ostashevskyi could you please address my above questions. Thanks

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #104 on:** October 16, 2019, 02:55 PM »

Quote from: tjskinny on October 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

During assembly I had tried to use the slots in the fence connection plate, but the slots are located to low to work without shimming up the Incra assembly.

1st image shows height difference

This show screw through slot at the “highest” position that will not thread into the mating nut at this position. Slot is just not quite in the right spot. I could have extended the slot to make it work, but choose to shim.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and you are correct on not extending the slot. Shimming is a way to go.

When we have changed plate design from the older style(removable dogs) to a new pin style, the overall profile has been lowered to eliminate extra weight which resulted in this 0.125" height difference which is easily solved with a set of washers. We will address it right away and washers will be included with future orders!

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #105 on:** October 16, 2019, 03:15 PM »

Quote from: vkumar on October 15, 2019, 04:07 PM

Quote from: vkumar on October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM
I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

@Jerry Ostashevskyi could you please address my above questions. Thanks

Unfortunately, I have no experience on setting up the Festool fence with the Incra Positioner and can't really comment on that. Sorry.

As to swapping plate, it's a matter of 3-5 minutes. You will have to remove the LS carriage assembly completely (slide it out). After remove the screws that hold the plastic screen which will allow you to reach the screws that hold the LS base to the subbase. Remove them, swap the plate, and repeat all steps in reverse. Let me know if something is unclear and I will try to elaborate on that.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #106 on:** November 06, 2019, 02:51 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

William, can you provide another view of how you have this mounted/stored on your wall?

I am in the process of designing my own 80/20 MFT style table, and looking to do the Incra LS system as well, and would really like to know exactly how you mount this for storage.

Thanks!

WilliamT · « **Reply #107 on:** November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM »

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

08G8V8 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 06, 2019, 08:19 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

Thanks William! I just ordered my Incra system and Precision Dog plates tonight.

I’m new to the forum, so I haven’t seen them, and it would take forever to search for them, so I appreciate it.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #109 on:** November 07, 2019, 07:16 AM »

Quote from: WilliamT on November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

I found this thread with some zoomed out photos showing the mounting concept. He installed his at an angle to give more access to the screw to secure it.
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/how-do-you-store-you-incra-fences-and-rulesc/

WilliamT · « **Reply #110 on:** November 07, 2019, 03:24 PM »

Hello 08G8V8,

here some pictures of my wall mount; just some piece of scrap MDF and plywood, 96mm hole pattern and a 6° tilt. At the bottom two sliding nuts to keep the auxiliary fence and three holes to keep screws and hextool, one screw secures the plate in the wall mount.

Greetings from Germany, Will

IMG_6335.JPG

08G8V8 · « **Reply #111 on:** November 08, 2019, 07:18 AM »

Thanks for the detailed pics. I couldn't tell you had an angle to yours from the original pic. This is perfect, and I will be doing the same.

Papajoe · « **Reply #112 on:** December 02, 2019, 09:54 AM »

i find it ironic, of how we all try to modify the festool products, to fix their shortcomings; re:buy green vl router table, the replace the fence system so you can effectively use it. or... buy a domino, then buy 3rd party plates and accessories to make it work and compensate for drift. or buy a ts55 set, and an extra rail for longer material; wait the squareness of the rail is off, and joining 2 rails requires after market squares. these festoons are expensive and should work right out of the box. imo.

Vondawg · « **Reply #113 on:** December 02, 2019, 06:29 PM »

When you put it that way I wince too...

....but then I never bought a motorcycle, car/truck...boat....I didn’t alter and make it perform better, sooooo....

simonh · « **Reply #114 on:** December 03, 2019, 02:55 AM »

I think alot of us are probably using the tools for more than what they were designed for. For example, we want our square cuts to be within 0.001" per ft and repeatable length cutting to a fraction of a mm for making joinery projects whereas the MFT and rail square is probably fine precision for an on-site joiner cutting a kitchen end panel down that will then be caulked around.

simonh · « **Reply #115 on:** January 18, 2020, 11:46 AM »

I've recently been playing around with the idea of moving the Incra from taking up the MFT surface. It's still a prototype with parts machined on my CNC.

I made a mounting bracket to allow the Precision Plate to be quickly attached/detached vertically. Then, I made a 1/2" aluminium bracket to fasten the fence to the rail. I was originally using the Incra fence but I sold that when I upgraded to the Jessem TA fence for the router table. So, I'm now using a 80x40 extrusion for the fence. There was some play at the back of the fence that I wasn't happy about and also without the fence been clamped to the table the Jessem stock guides don't work as well as they should. So, at the front there is a delrin block that rides along the chanell in the MFT and for the back a delrin gripper that grabs under the V groove. This is locked by rotating the handle at the front 180 degrees. It is now rock solid and you could pick up the table by the fence! I've also been playing with a sliding tenoning like jig similar to the VSC tools jig.

Overall, I'm really happy. The fence seems to align perfect front to back at any position from 0-600mm. I think the only negative I'm seeing so far is that the screw for the Incra is facing upwards so maybe prone to sawdust over long-term. Also, the handle on the Incra could be a little smaller so it doesn't protrude so far.

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #116 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:34 AM »

Kudos to you!

What an interesting approach to using our Precision Plate!
As to the back of the fence, I think we can come up with some sort of a clamping bracket to secure it in a perpendicular position if there is a need.
Please contact me and we can discuss possible solutions.

Cheers!
Jerry

Quote from: simonh on January 18, 2020, 11:46 AM

I've recently been playing around with the idea of moving the Incra from taking up the MFT surface. It's still a prototype with parts machined on my CNC.

I made a mounting bracket to allow the Precision Plate to be quickly attached/detached vertically. Then, I made a 1/2" aluminium bracket to fasten the fence to the rail. I was originally using the Incra fence but I sold that when I upgraded to the Jessem TA fence for the router table. So, I'm now using a 80x40 extrusion for the fence. There was some play at the back of the fence that I wasn't happy about and also without the fence been clamped to the table the Jessem stock guides don't work as well as they should. So, at the front there is a delrin block that rides along the chanell in the MFT and for the back a delrin gripper that grabs under the V groove. This is locked by rotating the handle at the front 180 degrees. It is now rock solid and you could pick up the table by the fence! I've also been playing with a sliding tenoning like jig similar to the VSC tools jig.

Overall, I'm really happy. The fence seems to align perfect front to back at any position from 0-600mm. I think the only negative I'm seeing so far is that the screw for the Incra is facing upwards so maybe prone to sawdust over long-term. Also, the handle on the Incra could be a little smaller so it doesn't protrude so far.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #117 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:08 AM »

Quote from: simonh on December 03, 2019, 02:55 AM

I think alot of us are probably using the tools for more than what they were designed for. For example, we want our square cuts to be within 0.001" per ft and repeatable length cutting to a fraction of a mm for making joinery projects whereas the MFT and rail square is probably fine precision for an on-site joiner cutting a kitchen end panel down that will then be caulked around.

If people spent as much time learning how to get the most from their Festools as they spend modifying them, they’d realize they didn’t really need to be modified.