Author Topic: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!! (Read 91367 times)

TinyShop · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2018, 10:18 PM »

mattbyington · « **Reply #91 on:** October 07, 2018, 09:14 PM »

Hey guys sorry to bump this thread.

I received my LS positioned but unfortunately the base doesn't have the holes in it for the screws that the precision plate mounts to.

I saw on the website it mentions I can drill my own holes:
https://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

What did others do? I'd rather not drill into it - it mentions a TS plate or something that would work with it.

Anyone have recommendations on how to mount this? Sorry for the stupid question!

Matt

It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!

RobBob · « **Reply #92 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:02 PM »

Looks like both Incra and Precision Dogs have made changes since I bought mine, but...

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate. I think there will be existing holes that you can use to bolt the LS to the red steel plate and then the red steel plate to the Precision Dogs plate.

Look closely at the pictures in the link you provided above. The original Precision Dog plate used the gold plate. The new Precision Dog plate uses the red steel plate only. Do not use both.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #93 on:** October 08, 2018, 05:22 AM »

Quote from: RobBob on October 07, 2018, 10:02 PM

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate.

Spot on.

mattbyington · « **Reply #94 on:** October 08, 2018, 10:37 AM »

OK gotcha, thanks all!

tjskinny · « **Reply #95 on:** August 10, 2019, 03:31 AM »

One more bump on this;

My LS positioner came in last week and the Precision Plate with the red TS plate today. I was wondering if anyone with this configuration had to also install a shim between the red TS plate and the LS positioner base to raise the LS positioner carriage up enough so you could attach the fence ? Wasn’t an issue to do so, just surprised it was required.

Todd

Joelm · « **Reply #96 on:** August 10, 2019, 12:37 PM »

Please let us know how it turns out. I've got an LS on order and a precision plate (without the red base) waiting for it. I might need to reach out to precision dogs to see if I can get a red base.

tjskinny · « **Reply #97 on:** August 10, 2019, 09:28 PM »

You can drill holes in the mounting base that comes with the LS positioner to match the Precision plate and you won’t have to worry about the height issue. Here is a photo of what I did - wood under the Red TS plate. Also show how I plan to connect the CMS-GE to the MFT.. well see how well it works.. fingers crossed.

lshah72414 · « **Reply #98 on:** August 11, 2019, 07:47 AM »

@tjskinny
I went and checked my setup, since mine dropped right in with the red plate. It's been about a year and a half to two years since I installed, but I think there are two screws(loosens a bracket) to loosen and you can adjust the fence up and down so you don't have to use a shim. Don't know if this will help you. Good luck

vkumar · « **Reply #99 on:** October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM »

I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

WilliamT · « **Reply #100 on:** October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM »

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #101 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:22 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

Hi @WilliamT!

Depending on your setup, you can just loosen (2) screws that hold the fence to LS carriage assembly and adjust the fence to compensate for the height difference.

Let me know if it will work for you!

P.S. If anyone has any questions about Precision Plate fit, do not hesitate to contact me here or drop me an email directly.

tjskinny · « **Reply #102 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:42 PM »

During assembly I had tried to use the slots in the fence connection plate, but the slots are located to low to work without shimming up the Incra assembly.

1st image shows height difference

This show screw through slot at the “highest” position that will not thread into the mating nut at this position. Slot is just not quite in the right spot. I could have extended the slot to make it work, but choose to shim.

vkumar · « **Reply #103 on:** October 15, 2019, 04:07 PM »

Quote from: vkumar on October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM

I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

@Jerry Ostashevskyi could you please address my above questions. Thanks

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #104 on:** October 16, 2019, 02:55 PM »

Quote from: tjskinny on October 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

During assembly I had tried to use the slots in the fence connection plate, but the slots are located to low to work without shimming up the Incra assembly.

1st image shows height difference

This show screw through slot at the “highest” position that will not thread into the mating nut at this position. Slot is just not quite in the right spot. I could have extended the slot to make it work, but choose to shim.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and you are correct on not extending the slot. Shimming is a way to go.

When we have changed plate design from the older style(removable dogs) to a new pin style, the overall profile has been lowered to eliminate extra weight which resulted in this 0.125" height difference which is easily solved with a set of washers. We will address it right away and washers will be included with future orders!

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #105 on:** October 16, 2019, 03:15 PM »

Quote from: vkumar on October 15, 2019, 04:07 PM

Quote from: vkumar on October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM
I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route. Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?

@Jerry Ostashevskyi could you please address my above questions. Thanks

Unfortunately, I have no experience on setting up the Festool fence with the Incra Positioner and can't really comment on that. Sorry.

As to swapping plate, it's a matter of 3-5 minutes. You will have to remove the LS carriage assembly completely (slide it out). After remove the screws that hold the plastic screen which will allow you to reach the screws that hold the LS base to the subbase. Remove them, swap the plate, and repeat all steps in reverse. Let me know if something is unclear and I will try to elaborate on that.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #106 on:** November 06, 2019, 02:51 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on October 15, 2019, 06:53 AM

@Todd

same issue here. I used a pair of washers on each srew between the plate and the red base.
In Future i will drill the six holes in the gold LS base, but it‘s hard to get inch screws here in germany.

This setup is very exciting to use, thoisands times better than the CMS fence.

Greetings from Germany,

WilliamT

picture shows the LS in my wall mount for storage

William, can you provide another view of how you have this mounted/stored on your wall?

I am in the process of designing my own 80/20 MFT style table, and looking to do the Incra LS system as well, and would really like to know exactly how you mount this for storage.

Thanks!

WilliamT · « **Reply #107 on:** November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM »

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

08G8V8 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 06, 2019, 08:19 PM »

Quote from: WilliamT on November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

Thanks William! I just ordered my Incra system and Precision Dog plates tonight.

I’m new to the forum, so I haven’t seen them, and it would take forever to search for them, so I appreciate it.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #109 on:** November 07, 2019, 07:16 AM »

Quote from: WilliamT on November 06, 2019, 05:54 PM

@ 08G8V8

I will ad some more pics tomorow evening. CET
This is not my design, i have seen a similar wall mount here in FOG

William

I found this thread with some zoomed out photos showing the mounting concept. He installed his at an angle to give more access to the screw to secure it.
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/how-do-you-store-you-incra-fences-and-rulesc/

WilliamT · « **Reply #110 on:** November 07, 2019, 03:24 PM »

Hello 08G8V8,

here some pictures of my wall mount; just some piece of scrap MDF and plywood, 96mm hole pattern and a 6° tilt. At the bottom two sliding nuts to keep the auxiliary fence and three holes to keep screws and hextool, one screw secures the plate in the wall mount.

Greetings from Germany, Will

IMG_6335.JPG

08G8V8 · « **Reply #111 on:** November 08, 2019, 07:18 AM »

Thanks for the detailed pics. I couldn't tell you had an angle to yours from the original pic. This is perfect, and I will be doing the same.

Papajoe · « **Reply #112 on:** December 02, 2019, 09:54 AM »

i find it ironic, of how we all try to modify the festool products, to fix their shortcomings; re:buy green vl router table, the replace the fence system so you can effectively use it. or... buy a domino, then buy 3rd party plates and accessories to make it work and compensate for drift. or buy a ts55 set, and an extra rail for longer material; wait the squareness of the rail is off, and joining 2 rails requires after market squares. these festoons are expensive and should work right out of the box. imo.

Vondawg · « **Reply #113 on:** December 02, 2019, 06:29 PM »

When you put it that way I wince too...

....but then I never bought a motorcycle, car/truck...boat....I didn’t alter and make it perform better, sooooo....

simonh · « **Reply #114 on:** December 03, 2019, 02:55 AM »

I think alot of us are probably using the tools for more than what they were designed for. For example, we want our square cuts to be within 0.001" per ft and repeatable length cutting to a fraction of a mm for making joinery projects whereas the MFT and rail square is probably fine precision for an on-site joiner cutting a kitchen end panel down that will then be caulked around.

simonh · « **Reply #115 on:** January 18, 2020, 11:46 AM »

I've recently been playing around with the idea of moving the Incra from taking up the MFT surface. It's still a prototype with parts machined on my CNC.

I made a mounting bracket to allow the Precision Plate to be quickly attached/detached vertically. Then, I made a 1/2" aluminium bracket to fasten the fence to the rail. I was originally using the Incra fence but I sold that when I upgraded to the Jessem TA fence for the router table. So, I'm now using a 80x40 extrusion for the fence. There was some play at the back of the fence that I wasn't happy about and also without the fence been clamped to the table the Jessem stock guides don't work as well as they should. So, at the front there is a delrin block that rides along the chanell in the MFT and for the back a delrin gripper that grabs under the V groove. This is locked by rotating the handle at the front 180 degrees. It is now rock solid and you could pick up the table by the fence! I've also been playing with a sliding tenoning like jig similar to the VSC tools jig.

Overall, I'm really happy. The fence seems to align perfect front to back at any position from 0-600mm. I think the only negative I'm seeing so far is that the screw for the Incra is facing upwards so maybe prone to sawdust over long-term. Also, the handle on the Incra could be a little smaller so it doesn't protrude so far.

Precision Dogs · « **Reply #116 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:34 AM »

Kudos to you!

What an interesting approach to using our Precision Plate!
As to the back of the fence, I think we can come up with some sort of a clamping bracket to secure it in a perpendicular position if there is a need.
Please contact me and we can discuss possible solutions.

Cheers!
Jerry

Quote from: simonh on January 18, 2020, 11:46 AM

I've recently been playing around with the idea of moving the Incra from taking up the MFT surface. It's still a prototype with parts machined on my CNC.

I made a mounting bracket to allow the Precision Plate to be quickly attached/detached vertically. Then, I made a 1/2" aluminium bracket to fasten the fence to the rail. I was originally using the Incra fence but I sold that when I upgraded to the Jessem TA fence for the router table. So, I'm now using a 80x40 extrusion for the fence. There was some play at the back of the fence that I wasn't happy about and also without the fence been clamped to the table the Jessem stock guides don't work as well as they should. So, at the front there is a delrin block that rides along the chanell in the MFT and for the back a delrin gripper that grabs under the V groove. This is locked by rotating the handle at the front 180 degrees. It is now rock solid and you could pick up the table by the fence! I've also been playing with a sliding tenoning like jig similar to the VSC tools jig.

Overall, I'm really happy. The fence seems to align perfect front to back at any position from 0-600mm. I think the only negative I'm seeing so far is that the screw for the Incra is facing upwards so maybe prone to sawdust over long-term. Also, the handle on the Incra could be a little smaller so it doesn't protrude so far.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #117 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:08 AM »

Quote from: simonh on December 03, 2019, 02:55 AM

I think alot of us are probably using the tools for more than what they were designed for. For example, we want our square cuts to be within 0.001" per ft and repeatable length cutting to a fraction of a mm for making joinery projects whereas the MFT and rail square is probably fine precision for an on-site joiner cutting a kitchen end panel down that will then be caulked around.

If people spent as much time learning how to get the most from their Festools as they spend modifying them, they’d realize they didn’t really need to be modified.