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Title: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: gearhound on November 28, 2018, 10:10 AM
I need to build an outfeed table for my table saw asap and really want to use a MFT style top...absolutely love my MFT's functionality and want a bigger one that can double as an assembly table. I've been thinking about buying the MF slab CAD file, but would also be fine with just a bigger version of the stock MFT top. I've read to use 3/4 MDF so the Festool clamps work, but also have seen guys using 1"? Is that to prevent sag? Is there any difference between Home Depot MDF and the MDF from my hardwood dealer like there is with plywood? (I've only bought one piece of mdf to make a planer-sled and have never worked with it)

I'm about 10 minutes north of Boulder...does anyone know a place that could CNC a top for me? There's a maker-space in my area that has the equipment, but I think I'd have to join and then learn how to use the CNC router....would prefer to pay to get the holes routed for me and get this build-up finished. How much should I expect to pay a CNC shop? Anyone in the area want one too to possibly save on cost?


Thanks for any suggestions.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Joe Felchlin on November 28, 2018, 10:38 AM
Great questions.
I’m about an 1+ hour south of Denver (northern Colorado Springs).
I’d be interested in the same info.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Alanbach on November 28, 2018, 10:41 AM
@gearhound - Are you aware of Dominofix, Peter Parfitt’s system and the other jigs available for drilling your own mft tops? Just in case you can’t find an acceptable CNC for hire or if the price is out of reach?
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: gearhound on November 28, 2018, 10:54 AM
@gearhound - Are you aware of Dominofix, Peter Parfitt’s system and the other jigs available for drilling your own mft tops? Just in case you can’t find an acceptable CNC for hire or if the price is out of reach?

yep, I've been watching Peter's youtube channel for a few years...his kit is nice, but pricey and I really don't want to spend the time making it myself. Not sure if there'd be an easy way to use my current mft top as a template for another?
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Farming_Sawyer on November 28, 2018, 12:24 PM
I just picked up the Parf guide mark 2 after a lot of research. For the money, it's cheap. Two mft tops and it's more than paid for. In fact, factor in the cost of labor over any other method and it's probably more like a top and a half. And I have it to knock out larger and smaller tops. Planning on a mfts,type top soon as well....
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: kevins007 on November 28, 2018, 04:19 PM
I just picked up the Parf guide mark 2 after a lot of research. For the money, it's cheap. Two mft tops and it's more than paid for. In fact, factor in the cost of labor over any other method and it's probably more like a top and a half. And I have it to knock out larger and smaller tops. Planning on a mfts,type top soon as well....

Can you please tell me where you bought the mark 2? Thanks.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: gearhound on November 28, 2018, 05:24 PM
I just picked up the Parf guide mark 2 after a lot of research. For the money, it's cheap. Two mft tops and it's more than paid for. In fact, factor in the cost of labor over any other method and it's probably more like a top and a half. And I have it to knock out larger and smaller tops. Planning on a mfts,type top soon as well....

Any interest in shipping a top to Colorado? Assume it would be pretty pricey from Maine.

Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: ctvader on November 28, 2018, 05:51 PM
kevin007 - you can try ordering from axminster.  They ship to the US.  I ordered the original version from there and I rec'd it in 2 days (Connecticut). 
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: magellan on November 28, 2018, 05:54 PM
Have you heard of a website call 100Kgarages.com.  I found this site from someone else. I believe it’s a network of CNC shops and other fabricators and makers. Enter your zip code and it will locate available places in your area.  I’m sure there are members here that have used it or can tell you more about it

Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: lwoirhaye on November 28, 2018, 06:01 PM
I think some of these CNC companies have lists of owners who have agreed to show the equipment.  Grizzly, Felder, Logosol and other machine companies have done it too I think.

See if you can find some owner (who may not be using the machine much) and sell them on making the thing for you. 

I have a 3d printer and there's some difficulty finding things that are worth printing.  I imagine hobby CNC owners have the same sort of problem.   Once technology makes making stuff easy, you have to figure out what to do with it after it's made.   I know many smaller CNC shops will take any work for the machine they can get because it spends so much time idle.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: travisj on November 28, 2018, 09:43 PM
I would recommend checking the sign shops.  A company specializing in exterior signage would either have a machine or know where to send you.  I’ve heard of several people getting tops made that way.

I used the first version of the UJK Parf system when I made my outfeed table top a couple of weeks ago.  I would definitely recommend.  The new quick release 20mm bit would make it easier yet.


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Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Sean KS on November 28, 2018, 10:23 PM
I got mine done at www.denverwoodworking.com came out great. Mine is hard maple and 3” thick. They flattened it too. Great experience.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Sean KS on November 28, 2018, 10:40 PM
Oh and I think they charged me $250 for doing the 3” hard maple top 24”X8’ 4’ on center 20mm bore. If you’re doing MDF or the like it’d be way cheaper. If I remember right they charge mostly based on time. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Lettusbee on November 29, 2018, 10:32 AM
I had a mft style top cnc'd at Sears Trostel in Fort Collins last year. 
Dont remember how much it cost, but it was reasonable. 
Mine was just 3/4 MDF at 42 x 74. 
They likely even deliver to boulder area. 

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Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Lettusbee on November 29, 2018, 10:59 AM
Austin Hardwoods in Denver may have the ability as well.

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Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Triplepin on November 29, 2018, 04:45 PM
I just made my own using a 3D printed jig and it came out alright but not great. I have access to a few CNC routers around town and might pull the trigger on making one so if I do I'll be sure to post here if there is interest in making a few. Sounds like others have listed some good options already though that might be more time efficient. I could definitely help with the CAD side if needed.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: HarveyWildes on November 29, 2018, 05:58 PM
Loveland Creator Space has a full-sheet CNC machine for use by anyone with a Creator Space membership.

https://lovelandcreatorspace.com/resources/ - down at the bottom of the page.

Loveland has a lot of artists and makers that sell in a lot of places that are not Loveland, but not so much in Loveland.  The bronze cast sculpture community is particularly well established and talented.

If the Creator Space concept strikes your fancy, I would bring your own bits (or any other hand or small power tool that you might consider "quality" or where sharpness counts), since this is a community membership operation.  I've had conversations with folks that do work there, but I've never joined myself - I wouldn't use it enough.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: gearhound on November 30, 2018, 09:32 AM
I just made my own using a 3D printed jig and it came out alright but not great. I have access to a few CNC routers around town and might pull the trigger on making one so if I do I'll be sure to post here if there is interest in making a few. Sounds like others have listed some good options already though that might be more time efficient. I could definitely help with the CAD side if needed.

Do you already have a CAD file ready to go? That slot in the MF slab to hold the vacuum hose looks pretty slick, but it's a pretty big table top for how small my garage workspace is.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: gearhound on November 30, 2018, 09:40 AM
I had a mft style top cnc'd at Sears Trostel in Fort Collins last year. 
Dont remember how much it cost, but it was reasonable. 
Mine was just 3/4 MDF at 42 x 74. 
They likely even deliver to boulder area. 

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I've heard that Sears Trostel is a good place to checkout for hardwoods, but never been there. Worth the drive up?
Do you have a CAD file you provided them with?
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: Lettusbee on November 30, 2018, 12:12 PM
I've been shopping there for years and years.  Great place and the core group of employees know their stuff.  Good selection of Festool on hand always. 

I don't get into hardwoods all that much, I'm a remodeler and my needs are basic.  Their interior trim is definitely superior to the big box and lumberyard stuff.  From a woodworker standpoint, all I know is they have a lot of woods that you don't see anywhere else. 

They have a cad file for the tops.  I was in there one day and saw some tops that they had machined for someone else, and asked if I could get one too.  No problem they said.  The other tops I saw were smaller, but they adjusted for my request without a problem. 
I had mine done out of 3/4 MDF, and their cutter depth maxes out at something like 11/16" or , so I had to poke out the holes that last little bit. 
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: HarveyWildes on November 30, 2018, 02:03 PM
I had a mft style top cnc'd at Sears Trostel in Fort Collins last year. 
...

I've heard that Sears Trostel is a good place to checkout for hardwoods, but never been there. Worth the drive up?
...

Sears Trostel is a great place if you live in NoCo.
*  They often have unusual species in stock.  For custom wholesale orders, they will sometimes order extra for the retail store.
    - So what they have in stock depends...
*  They have a retail yard on Riverside Dr.  You can select boards there.
*  They have a wholesale / custom molding facility north of Hwy 14 east of downtown Fort Collins.  No selecting boards there.
*  They carry a fair amount of Festool.
*  They promote woodworking in the community with fun events.
    -  They hold a woodworking show every year in late winter or early spring - open to all.  The 2019 date is not set yet.
    -  They do a breadboard fundraiser every year to raise money for the local food bank.

If you're in the area anyway and have an hour to kill, I'd definitely stop in and spend some time in the retail shop talking to them to get a feel for what they are about.  Then you could decide if it's worth the drive up for particular needs.

For many years Sears Trostel was the only game in NoCo for hardwoods.  Now there is a Woodcraft at the Crossroads exit north of Loveland, and Wayne (owner) keeps a better selection of hardwoods than the other Woodcraft stores I've visited.  Since I'm much closer to Woodcraft, I do most of my buying there now, but I still make it up to Sears Trostel when I can.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in the Denver area that CNC's MFT-like tops?
Post by: TealaG on December 02, 2018, 03:28 PM
Unless you need a specific large size, I actually bought replacement MFT tops from Amazon.   I got two that were from Amazon Warehouse with "slight cosmetic damage".  Yes, there was a ding in the edge.   What did you think was going to happen when it was in my shop?  If it had upset me, 1/4" removed from the edge would have fixed that right up.  I called CNC shops in the area and couldn't find one who I trusted to do it and I didn't really want to go to someone's house (Though, that guy might have been better quality than a "factory").   So buying a larger MFT top worked well for me and I've been enjoying vs routing holes.  $100 and done.