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Offline perton

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How good is Festool Dust Collection
« on: May 25, 2023, 04:17 AM »
I have been fighting with a Makita orbital sander and decided to get an adapter to connect it to my Ryobi Shop Vac. It didn't quite fit, so duck tape came to the rescue. I started sanding plaster top coat on a wall and was astounded at how well it worked. It wasn't dustless, but it was far less than usual. So, now it makes me wonder how well a purpose-built system would work, particularly Festool. I've heard that Festool does dust collection better than anyone, so anyone having used a similar sander and now has a Festool can tell me if the Festool would be equal or better to my jerry-rigged Makita, shop vac, and duck tape.

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Offline bobtskutter

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2023, 05:40 AM »
Welcome to the FOG!

I have an RO125 which I use with a Dyson vacuum cleaner.  I've duck taped a Festool hose adapter to the Dyson hose to attach the vac to the sander.

If I'm sanding wood with typical wood grits (P80/120/180) and the sanding pad is on the work piece then it works very well.  If the sanding pad is at the edge of the work piece then there is a little bit of dust escaping.

Using P24 or P40 on wood is OK with the pad on the surface but there is a lot of mess with the pad slightly off the surface.  Using those grits on plaster work is the same story - but the vac fills up very quickly!
 
I don't think the vacuum is what determines how much dust escapes, it's the sanding pad design and how much of the pad is against the surface.

I've not got a Festool vac, but a lot of people will tell you being able to control the vac suction and having the auto start is a killer feature.

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Offline Muttley000

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2023, 06:22 AM »
I’m sanding wood not plaster so not sure the difference. With a 6” random orbit sander and the festool vac I see no dust on the surface or floating around my work surface at all. If I wipe my hand across the surface there is a small amount of residue on my skin, but it is not airborn.
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Offline Packard

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2023, 06:56 AM »
My Rigid sander needs no adapter to attach to a rigid vacuum, but I usually attach the hose to my shop’s dust collection.  Every once in a while the hose pulls free from the sander.

The Rigid’s dust collector attachment which comes with the sander does an excellent job.  So I usually just use the shop’s dust collection to empty out the bag.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2023, 11:18 AM »
Any brand of shop vac can do the job of dust collecting. The differences mainly lie in convenience (auto start. e.g.), noise level and filtration. I use a hepa filter for my Ridgid - https://www.homedepot.ca/product/ridgid-5-layer-hepa-pleated-paper-vacuum-filter-for-189l-5-gal-ridgid-wetdry-shop-vacuums/1000103772?eid=PS_GOOGLE_D00%20-%20E-Comm_GGL_Shopping_PLA_EN_All%20Products_All%20Products__PRODUCT_GROUP_pla-1769624053882&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyc2U2-GQ_wIVzwCtBh0EtwBVEAQYBSABEgJHD_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

In terms of effectiveness, I see no difference between my Ridgid (hepa) or Craftsman (hepa) and CT15.
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Offline Packard

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2023, 11:49 AM »
I agree that any shop vac will work, but dust collection works best then there is a high volume of air moved, not a high suction.

For example, a $300.00, 1 hp Grizzly unit is rated at 500 cfm.

By comparison a $170.00, 14 gallon, 6hp Ridgid moves about 179 cfm.

While I could find cfm ratings and suction ratings for some shop vacs, I could only find cfm ratings for dust collection systems.

From everything I’ve read, for dust collection, cfm rating is the important number.

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2023, 12:59 PM »
I agree that any shop vac will work, but dust collection works best then there is a high volume of air moved, not a high suction.

For example, a $300.00, 1 hp Grizzly unit is rated at 500 cfm.

By comparison a $170.00, 14 gallon, 6hp Ridgid moves about 179 cfm.

While I could find cfm ratings and suction ratings for some shop vacs, I could only find cfm ratings for dust collection systems.

From everything I’ve read, for dust collection, cfm rating is the important number.

I believe that depends on the type of shavings being created and what is creating them. For instance a dust extractor (vacuum) with high velocity and low volume is a poor choice for collecting shavings from a thickness planer. Just like the dust collector with low velocity and high volume is a poor choice working with a palm sander. I believe our British friends would say, "Horses for courses". If the machine creating the mess is helping by throwing the waste in somewhat consistent path, I think an extractor is generally the best choice. If the mess is uncontained, seems like a dust collector stands a better chance. All that said, I usually let the machine decide. If it has a smallish port, I figure the manufacturer knows an extractor is in order. If it has a larger port I use a dust collector.

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: How good is Festool Dust Collection
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2023, 01:01 PM »
Using a Festool sander (properly equipped with paper or mesh) with Festool dust extractor will most likely give you the least remaining dust on any given surface over most competitors. However, if that is the only aspect you are looking at, you might be fairly disappointed because as good as Festool is, it is not dust free. And comparing the remains might be a hard sell in the end, at the large difference in price.

However, if you want a professional, no duct tape, one adapter/nozzle fits (almost) all, dust extraction solution. Festool tools and Festool dust extractors are an incredibly great choice! And not just for that, as the tools are generally amazing.

I've said this before, and I say it again: I often read posts on various platforms about people looking for adapters, creating 3D printable adapters and accessories to fit tools and dust extractors. With my Festool hoses & nozzles/connectors, be it the old or the new ones, I never had to duct tape anything or to rely on any aftermarket adapters/ 3D printed gadgets.

A couple of weeks ago I had a specialist for concrete sawing over at our place, he had one of those incredible Hilti core drills that can be used both for dry (with dust extraction) or wet cutting. We have a terrible parking situation currently, so he asked if he could use my dust extractor (Festool) so he wouldn't have to make multiple trips to the car. Obviously I had no problem with that, and the hose just attached to it like it was made for it. No duct tape, no adapter, no mess.


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