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Offline Sparktrician

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Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« on: June 03, 2013, 07:13 PM »
There has been chatter recently regarding choices to use long rails or to use shorter rails joined together and the inherent issues in assuring that joined rails remain straight and true.  Several months ago, some one of the FOGgers mentioned finding a great substitute screw to use in the rail connectors.  It's stainless steel with a nylon tip, available from McMaster-Carr, part number 93285A412 at $9.54 for a pack of five, including a 3mm hex driver which can be used in a standard 1/4" hex drive.  The photos attached show the standard connector screw beside the nylon-tipped replacement, plus the actual package they come in.  YMMV.

Edit, 12/27/13:  These screws do NOT come with the hex wrench.  My bad. 

« Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 02:53 PM by Sparktrician »
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 07:47 PM »
Thanks for the information.  I will order some.

As I recently mentioned in another thread, I seem to have a propensity to lose these things.  Right now, I have two sets of connectors and am missing four screws.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2013, 07:59 PM by Frank Pellow »
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 09:09 PM »
Thanks for the information.  I will order some.

As I recently mentioned in another thread, I seem to have a propensity to lose these things.  Right now, I have two sets of connectors and am missing four screws.

Frank,  you are not alone.  I ordered extras a while back and now take them out of the connectors and put them in a plastic bag every time.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 06:48 AM »
Thanks for the information.  I will order some.

As I recently mentioned in another thread, I seem to have a propensity to lose these things.  Right now, I have two sets of connectors and am missing four screws.

Frank,  you are not alone.  I ordered extras a while back and now take them out of the connectors and put them in a plastic bag every time.

Peter


If you're losing screws because they fall out periodically, you might want to use Loctite 241 (blue, in a red bottle or tube) on the screw threads.  It does not harden up, but keeps the screws in their places even during periods of vibration. 
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Offline redrider

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 10:00 PM »
Thanks for the info on the replacement screws.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 08:21 AM »
I second that! Thank you for the info!! I ordered several sets!
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 12:20 AM »
Also ordered a set. Thanks for doing the legwork!
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 12:30 AM »
Got my set of 5 but it didn't include a driver and there is no mention of one on the website using the part number. Did they change the description?
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 12:50 AM »
Got my set of 5 but it didn't include a driver and there is no mention of one on the website using the part number. Did they change the description?


If I recall correctly, those screws take a standard 3mm hex wrench.  I can check when I get to the shop later this morning.  The screws don't come with a wrench. 

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 01:13 AM »
<snip> It's stainless steel with a nylon tip, available from McMaster-Carr, part number 93285A412 at $9.54 for a pack of five, including a 3mm hex driver which can be used in a standard 1/4" hex drive.

This is what I based my order on and why I asked about the driver...
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 08:44 AM »
<snip> It's stainless steel with a nylon tip, available from McMaster-Carr, part number 93285A412 at $9.54 for a pack of five, including a 3mm hex driver which can be used in a standard 1/4" hex drive.

This is what I based my order on and why I asked about the driver...


Well, it seems that I was mistaken regarding the 3mm wrench.  They do NOT come with the wrench.  I just checked with McMaster-Carr.  My apologies.  I will forgo the January barbecue in Minnesnowta.   [embarassed]

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 02:33 PM »
Well, it seems that I was mistaken regarding the 3mm wrench.  They do NOT come with the wrench.  I just checked with McMaster-Carr.  My apologies.  I will forgo the January barbecue in Minnesnowta.   [embarassed]

No worries. I'm pretty sure I have a 3mm bit somewhere, and if not I will buy one. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something that I was SUPPOSED to have.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 04:28 PM »
Too bad they can't be partially nylon so that the screws can't wiggle out on their own and disappear.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 06:10 PM »
Too bad they can't be partially nylon so that the screws can't wiggle out on their own and disappear.


If that's a concern, use some Loctite 242 to retain the screws. 

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Offline Pizza Steve

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2015, 07:40 AM »
I just ran across this thread... do the nylon tipped set screws work better than the originals, e.g. hold the guide rails better or don't damage them?

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2015, 07:51 AM »
Warrior - one of the complaints about the Festool rail joiner system is that since the steel set screw is actually using the aluminum rail to tighten against, if you get all medieval on the set screw and crank down on it the rail can get a dimple. The nylon tips allow you to crank the screw down fairly tight without damaging the rail because the nylon will deform before dimpling the rail.

The other methods that folks who make their own connectors and the Makita joiners use is to have a two piece connector. It consists of a top and bottom rail. the top rail has threaded holes for the set screws and they tighten down on the bottom piece. Keeping the screws from touching the rail.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2015, 08:17 AM »
Not to change the subject, but has anyone tried or thought of having longer rails made? My brother works in a machine shop and I've been asking him to make me some longer rails, first to add more screws and if it's longer I think it would be harder for the rail to "give" at the joint. Maybe like a 20" length. What's your thoughts?

Now these nylon tipped screws sound like a great idea, will definitely be ordering some.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2015, 09:24 AM »
Not to change the subject, but has anyone tried or thought of having longer rails made? My brother works in a machine shop and I've been asking him to make me some longer rails, first to add more screws and if it's longer I think it would be harder for the rail to "give" at the joint. Maybe like a 20" length. What's your thoughts?

Now these nylon tipped screws sound like a great idea, will definitely be ordering some.

A different design of connectors were discussed below.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/homemade-guide-rail-connectors-(not-your-typical-ones)/msg342069/#msg342069

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2015, 09:50 AM »
Timing is good on this as I have a few screws that fell out, and got all chewed up somehow.  I found all the loose screws, but the threads are all destroyed. 

Does anybody know what the OEM Festool replacement screws part number and Price?
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2015, 10:03 AM »
Contact service.  Keep spares in a small zip lock bag or keep connectors in one.



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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2015, 10:19 AM »
Thanks Peter!  Will do.


Contact service.  Keep spares in a small zip lock bag or keep connectors in one.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2015, 11:19 AM »
A different design of connectors were discussed below.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/homemade-guide-rail-connectors-(not-your-typical-ones)/msg342069/#msg342069

Thanks for the link/ideas, JZ!  I just got a 1400 holey rail to go with my TS75's rail and I need something to connect them.  Those 2-plate solutions look great.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2015, 12:27 PM »
I prefer the Makita two piece connectors.  No worries or issues with deforming the rail slot, and a much stronger connection.....

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2015, 03:13 PM »
I also bought the Makitas and think they are much better solution.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 04:09 PM »
I've been quietly reading the site for over a year now gleaning what I can and the information here is invaluable!

With respect to this thread, I attempted to place an order with McMaster-Carr and received the following response:

Due to the complexity of U.S. export regulations, McMaster-Carr accepts international orders only from businesses. This decision also applies to orders shipping within the United States, because it is based on the final destination of the items. We cannot accept this order or future orders.

It would appear that without a business account, you're out of luck.  I spent the last couple of days scouring for a supplier and finally found one here in Canada (actually a US company with Canadian outlets).  If you're having trouble locating this item, you can find it here.  Their contact page is here and lists both US & Canadian suppliers on the left side of the page.  The retail cost is considerably higher, so beware  you're paying a hefty markup.  [scared]

Hope this helps!

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 04:58 PM »
Pretty cool seeing my label on that bag in the original post. Nylon tipped and brass tipped set screws are the bees knees as they say. Without the soft tip you gall whatever you're going up against, the nylon or brass tip prevents damage.

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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2016, 12:44 PM »
Sorry to bump an old thread but I just found it and Im thankful it was out there! Going to add this set screws to my next McMaster Carr order and pick up a Wera 3mm hex screwdriver (part number 023110 if anyone is interested) to dedicate to the task!
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2017, 09:29 PM »
For those who have swapped out the guide rail screws to the hex head.  This is a perfect screwdriver to do the job. Real quick and easy for one handed use. small enough to not over tighten. The ball end makes it fast to get into the recess even at an angle. I keep it in my guide rail box. Also switching to the hex recess makes it easy to leave the driver in the screw head and use it to slide the connector.  Overall just very handy for this task.

     


     


     


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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2017, 11:03 PM »
I ended up going with this one: LINK


I like the bigger handle. Fits in any Systainer too. Not a ball hex though as I kinda prefer the normal ones. However they offer it in a ball hex version as well: LINK
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Re: Festool guide rail connector replacement screws
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2017, 11:37 PM »
I ended up going with this one: LINK


I like the bigger handle. Fits in any Systainer too. Not a ball hex though as I kinda prefer the normal ones. However they offer it in a ball hex version as well: LINK

Yup, that's a nice one too. I just really like the way the precision style rotating against the palm. Makes a really quick twist for these.  [smile]

Seth