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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 04:58 AM »
I have a similar version. I haven't used it much, but my recollection is that it is a great workaround when a drill press isn't practical or convenient.
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Offline Scorpion

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 08:16 AM »
Growing up I remember seeing one of these under my dads workbench.  He had only necessary tools given the times.   It nicely enabled him to drill holes drill-press style without having a drill-press.  This unit looks a lot nicer than the one he had.  Recalling his usage issues, the biggest challenge was keeping the unit in place as you're drilling the angled hole.  If you can clamp it to the object it works well.  If you think you'll hold it in place with that handle I suspect it'll end up where my father left his (under the bench).

Since I don't need to be mobile, this is one of the tools I just have no desire to own..


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Offline mattmass

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 08:43 AM »
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 10:37 AM »
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 10:45 AM »
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

If its the one from Rockler I have it and yeah it's very sloppy, I can free hand as well.

I would love to check this version out, it looks solid!
« Last Edit: August 25, 2017, 10:48 AM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 01:40 PM »
 Lots of choices:

http://wonderfulengineering.com/10-best-drill-guide-systems/

but I get good results for non-angled holes from Big Gator

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 03:23 PM »
The only one on that list worth buying is big gator, I have tried them all and still own at least 3 of those models.
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Offline ben_r_

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2017, 06:45 PM »
Lots of choices:

http://wonderfulengineering.com/10-best-drill-guide-systems/

but I get good results for non-angled holes from Big Gator

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I use one of those myself. Simple and good product.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2017, 07:33 PM »
Make it 4 for Big Gator...I also have their ANSI tap guide, it's slick.  [cool]

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 08:25 AM »
FWIW...just noticed that Big Gator is having a 11% off sale on all of their guides.

http://www.shop.biggatortools.com/Standard-V-DrillGuide-1-8-3-8-STD1000DGNP-STD1000DGNP.htm

If you purchase these guides from Woodcraft, they come just mounted on a card, however if you purchase these from Big Gator directly, they come in a nice plastic storage case. The same style case that precision tooling is packaged in.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 08:34 AM »
Thanks for the heads up regarding Big Gator...just ordered the two sets going from 1/8 - 1/2.  I should have had them the last two days as I installed two steel entrances and they would have been mush better than the eyeball and square method for installing the hardware.   [unsure]

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 09:23 AM »
Be sure to check Amazon for Big Gator drill guides.  They're less expensive there.
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Offline tazprime38

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2017, 02:08 PM »
I have a similar guide to the gator one but is a type of plastic with steel inserts.

Anyone know of a supplier for those type of plastic storage tubes as I need some preferably in the UK? What is thete proper name so maybe I could do a search?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2017, 02:31 PM »
Google Beckett Packaging or

End mill storage
« Last Edit: August 30, 2017, 02:34 PM by Cheese »

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2017, 03:00 PM »
That looks nice.very handy

Is it available in woodpeckers red though

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2017, 08:32 PM »
Google Beckett Packaging or

End mill storage

Cheese , thank you. Just what I was looking for. Now I have to see if I can buy from them without the minimum quantities😕

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2017, 08:51 AM »
Cheese , thank you. Just what I was looking for. Now I have to see if I can buy from them without the minimum quantities😕

Ya, the Beckett Packaging info was just to get you heading in the right direction. The real issue as you've stated, is finding a source to purchase small quantities.  [tongue]

Offline Kevin D.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 08:58 AM »
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?

It's already been here for a few years now.  Made by MilesCraft.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73237&cat=1,180,42311

I bought one a few years ago when it came out and have used it a few times.  It works fine.
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Offline ben_r_

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 02:28 PM »
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?

It's already been here for a few years now.  Made by MilesCraft.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73237&cat=1,180,42311

I bought one a few years ago when it came out and have used it a few times.  It works fine.
Ive seen that one before but that one definitely doesnt look as well built as the UJK one.
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Offline Kevin D.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 02:51 PM »
Probably not, but I've been cautious when using it and it has been fine for me thus far.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2017, 03:22 PM »
There have been several threads on mobile devices to allow the drilling of angled holes. This device seems a step up in quality from the cheaper versions

https://knowledge.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide/?utm_source=bm23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+New+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide&utm_content=Drill+perfect+holes+without+a+pillar+drill&utm_campaign=17wk32jh1+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide

look for this UJK Drill Guide accessory at TSO Products along with the UJK ParfGuide System sometime later next month (October).

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2017, 05:37 PM »
Sure hope you're not pulling our leg @Hans Especially about the Parf Guide System!


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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2017, 09:00 PM »
Sure hope you're not pulling our leg @Hans Especially about the Parf Guide System!


Rusty
@Rusty Miller  - no, we're certainly not pulling anyone's leg.
We're bringing in an opening quantity of stock, selling first come - first served after announcement on TSO Insider and here on the FOG.
Customer response will determine our future stock levels, as you would expect. Neither of these items are high production volume so we generally encounter some lead time before our stock orders are shipped to us from the UK.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2017, 08:29 AM »
Thanks Han!  Put me down for one of the first Parf Guides you get!!

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2017, 12:19 PM »
@Rusty Miller - you're on "THE LIST" for a ParfGuide.
please email your contact information to
info@tsoproducts.com

thanks
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2017, 01:44 PM »
I am looking forward to one of Peter's in-depth product reviews of the new UJK Drill Guide.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2017, 08:30 AM »
How long do people wait?
The Mafell BST and the powered version have been around a long time, and the Protools version probably a decade or more.

These are not new concepts...


Offline tazprime38

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2017, 08:41 PM »
Went to the local Axminster store in High Wycombe to check this ukj drill guide out on Saturday.

Sadly there were none in stock as they have been recalled due to a part breaking from a casting issue. The part is being redesigned so casting will not cause issues.

Was told it could be around three months before the new stock  come in.

I think a side fence like a router's parallel side fence would be a cool improvement to enable drilling preset distances from an edge that is repeatable. This would be beneficial for euro cam and dowel fittings and hinge drilling to name a few.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2017, 09:46 PM »
I ordered and received one a couple of weeks back.  It's probably the best drill guide that I have found.  Really rigid and nicely made.

I had an older, but similarly capable one years ago  but it required removal of the chuck on the drill.  This one works with the Centrotec adapter and is really handy when you want accuracy but can't bring the piece to the drill press.

With shipping and the exchange rate, I think the cost was about $155.

You could easily add a fence / measuring setup with a wooden base screwed to the bottom, since it comes with predrilled holes for adapting to a base.


Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2017, 09:48 PM »
The option of a fence would be a nice addition.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 05:19 AM »
Maybe @Peter Parfitt can suggest to UKJ Axminster about incorporating a fence for the drill jig?

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 04:39 PM »
Maybe @Peter Parfitt can suggest to UKJ Axminster about incorporating a fence for the drill jig?

Possibly. Peter has been quiet of late. I bet he is head first into another of his excellent video productions, maybe on this very drill guide.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2017, 06:41 AM »
Looking online for more information about the UJK Drill Guide I came across this.

A drill guide with a vacuum base which could fit some special needs. The price is
a little steep I think but hey if you need it you need it.

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2017, 08:12 AM »

A drill guide with a vacuum base which could fit some special needs. The price is
a little steep I think but hey if you need it you need it.


Interesting...especially that they show it adhered to diamond plate and a textured ceiling.  [eek]  $278

Offline ben_r_

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2017, 02:31 PM »
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 04:27 PM »
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!

Yeah, but is it $275 worth of cool ???
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2017, 04:43 PM »
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

TSO Products will have it in stock by mid October - first-come-first-served and with money back satisfaction guarantee  [smile]
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2017, 05:28 PM »
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!

Yeah, but is it $275 worth of cool ???
Products with vacuum bases like that are always expensive. A 5"x5" or so vacuum plate from say Lee Valley or eBay is going to run about $60-70 on it's own. I guess with all the metal and custom milled parts yea $200-300 is to be expected. Not worth it for me, but its not like theres that many options around.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2017, 06:51 PM »
I can think of a number of times over the years I could have used
one of these on jobs where most stuff is stainless steel and a mag
drill will not work. We've come up with ways around it but this would
be a better and possibly faster solution.

Couldn't use the venturi vacuum though, would have to use a vacuum
pump for the jobs I am thinking of because they couldn't tolerate the
exhaust air stirring up particles and creating airborne contamination in
clean areas or inside control cabinets.
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2017, 09:16 AM »
...where most stuff is stainless steel and a mag drill will not work.

...because they couldn't tolerate the exhaust air stirring up particles and creating airborne contamination in
clean areas or inside control cabinets.

Wafer fab cleanroom?

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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2017, 09:40 AM »
No. Nuclear facility. They like to keep their radioactive particles
right where they are. When they get stirred up its a problem.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2017, 10:50 AM »
I suspect an inquiry and test on their part would find it works both ways. Easy enough to put a vacuum pump on it.
Pressure is pressure -- just matters what side the needle moves to.

Festool makes that plastic drill vacuum fixture.  Works great.  Not a guide, but if you already center punched the reference hole, it would be what you need.

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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2017, 10:57 AM »
They like to keep their radioactive particles
right where they are. When they get stirred up its a problem.

 [big grin] [big grin] Ya that's an understatement...

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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2017, 12:58 PM »
I suspect an inquiry and test on their part would find it works both ways. Easy enough to put a vacuum pump on it.
Pressure is pressure -- just matters what side the needle moves to.

Festool makes that plastic drill vacuum fixture.  Works great.  Not a guide, but if you already center punched the reference hole, it would be what you need.

Actually they don't make it just re badge it. Notice the price is about half what it would be if Festool designed and manufactured the thing (compoare to similar sized vac fittings)

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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2017, 05:33 PM »
Hear ya Mr. D...that stirring up of particles is what got Russia and Japan in trouble.   [blink]

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2017, 04:04 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Due to unprecedented demand the UJK Drill Guide is temporarily out of stock and has been removed from the website. We are working hard to manufacture new drill guides and as soon as the new stock is ready the guides will be relisted.

Please note on some of the drill guides there has been a small durability issue with the shaft. This has been fixed with the latest production. All customers who have bought a drill guide will be sent a replacement part even if they have not experienced an issue.

If you have any questions however please let us know.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2017, 05:11 PM »
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

If its the one from Rockler I have it and yeah it's very sloppy, I can free hand as well.

I would love to check this version out, it looks solid!

The one on Rockler is the cheap Chinese knock-off made by General International. This is the high quality drilling guide from UKJ with the brass knobs to boot.  UJK is all about near CNC percsion in anything they design.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2017, 08:34 PM »
Hi Everyone,

Due to unprecedented demand the UJK Drill Guide is temporarily out of stock and has been removed from the website. We are working hard to manufacture new drill guides and as soon as the new stock is ready the guides will be relisted.

Please note on some of the drill guides there has been a small durability issue with the shaft. This has been fixed with the latest production. All customers who have bought a drill guide will be sent a replacement part even if they have not experienced an issue.

If you have any questions however please let us know.

Thanks

Axminster

Thank you for the update on the drill guide. It is great to have all the companies here on the FOG that do not shy away from communicating with the customers and stand behind their products. Service and support after the sale plays a significant role in my purchase decisions.

I have been looking for a decent drill guide for some time and when this one was first announced and I saw it in action I was sold. When they become available again I will be looking to purchase either direct from Axminster or through LV if they choose to carry it.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2017, 11:37 PM »
TSO now has limited stock of the UJK Drill Guide - a beautiful piece of equipment - and  we will ship them in the order in which we received customer requests.

As you know Axminster /UJK has stopped further shipments until improved parts are available.
We expect to know more by January and will, of course, report promptly.

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Offline tazprime38

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2017, 07:50 PM »
I ordered and received one a couple of weeks back.  It's probably the best drill guide that I have found.  Really rigid and nicely made.

I had an older, but similarly capable one years ago  but it required removal of the chuck on the drill.  This one works with the Centrotec adapter and is really handy when you want accuracy but can't bring the piece to the drill press.

With shipping and the exchange rate, I think the cost was about $155.

You could easily add a fence / measuring setup with a wooden base screwed to the bottom, since it comes with predrilled holes for adapting to a base.

That is good to know neilc. Can't  wait to get one.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2018, 05:54 PM »
heard from axminster today that this item,unfortunately,has been discontinued but that they intend to manufacture their own version in-house,i have suggested some essentials/improvments,flat base(rubberised for grip),bearings on the guide rods for smoother travel and a quick on/off chuck system, preferably centrotech,perhaps others might make their views known to axminster to encourage them in the 'right' direction

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2018, 07:19 PM »
As "the US Home of AXMINSTER  UJK" - TSO Products continues to expand its stock of UJK Technology brand tools and accessories.
As we ourselves know only too well, developing and bringing a new tool to market is always something for resources in the wider company. So the sought after UJK  Drill Guide   under development - as shown by the introduction of the Parf Super Dogs among other recent arrivals. The improved UJK Drill Guide does not yet have a target re-launch and ship date.

When it finally becomes available, rest assured we will hasten to let you know here on the FOG.
We have several new AXMINSTER UJK products in stock now here in the US and are working on getting them up on our website for immediate shipment. More in the TSO INSIDER newsletter shortly with a separate new thread here on the FOG to follow.

thanks for your continued interest in our offerings.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2018, 12:50 PM »
Looking online for more information about the UJK Drill Guide I came across this.

A drill guide with a vacuum base which could fit some special needs. The price is
a little steep I think but hey if you need it you need it.




These Vacuum Clamping Jigs use, a removable, sized to drill bit bushing. They were actually developed for drilling and tapping operations on non-ferrous/composite materials..   www.werkzjig.org   

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2018, 01:46 PM »
along with our customers we'e still waiting for the next generation Drill Guide from AXMINSTER. We keep "encouraging" them every chance we get [wink]

Stay tuned
Hans

Offline Roachmill

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2019, 09:00 AM »
Having been keeping an eye on this coming back in its new and improved form, I noticed Axminster had the drill stand back on their site these past several weeks and it's currently at shipping within one week. I figured I'd get a pre-order in to secure one but, low and behold, they wouldn't ship it to me due to it being "hazardous"... [eek] Come again?! I live on one of the UK islands and, as such, some items require special handling (e.g. tool batteries, aerosols, thermonuclear warheads) when shipped. But a drill stand???

I contacted them to query a mistake but was informed they would only be selling them to UK mainland addresses because, "...we're delaying the release of this product outside of mainland UK, until we are 100% happy with the product and we are expecting this process to take 9-12 months". I thought all this time since the initial release was to do just that ::)

I could easy get one sent to a mainland address and then sent up to me but I'm not so sure given their 9-12 months to make sure they're 100% happy with it. Colour me disappointed [crying]

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2020, 12:31 PM »
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2020, 08:33 PM »
@blaszcsj - we have been waiting for AXMISNTER to receive and be satisfied with the latest production run.
We have a conference call next week with AXMINSTER senior mangement and this is one of the topics.

I think you can share our conservative approach to introducing this product in the US. We have had samples of the most recent version and felt it came up short of TSO customer expectation. AXMINSTER understood and we agreed to wait until we can have a higher degree of confidence.

Ultimately TSO is your supplier - that's why we are so particular.

Hans

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2020, 11:09 PM »
I would be very curious to know what TSO found issues with.  I think this tool (I have the MKII) is a fine tool.  As I was using it today I was wondering what else they might come up with in the future.  The only thing I am concerned about is the sticks themselves.  I hope the holes in them don't start wondering at some point.  Just feels like that might happen, but I hope not.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2020, 03:12 AM »
@blaszcsj - we have been waiting for AXMISNTER to receive and be satisfied with the latest production run.
We have a conference call next week with AXMINSTER senior mangement and this is one of the topics.

I think you can share our conservative approach to introducing this product in the US. We have had samples of the most recent version and felt it came up short of TSO customer expectation. AXMINSTER understood and we agreed to wait until we can have a higher degree of confidence.

Ultimately TSO is your supplier - that's why we are so particular.

Hans
I recently purchased two UJK fences. (Direct from Axminster as I'm in the UK) Had to wait a while as they were out of stock.
When they arrived, although they were machined accurately, the finish was very poor. Machining marks and clearly not cleaned properly before anodising. Others have posted similar issues on their reviews.
For the price I expected a lot better quality control. They need to be careful.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 12:10 PM by AstroKeith »

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2020, 11:58 AM »
I would be very curious to know what TSO found issues with.  I think this tool (I have the MKII) is a fine tool.  As I was using it today I was wondering what else they might come up with in the future.  The only thing I am concerned about is the sticks themselves.  I hope the holes in them don't start wondering at some point.  Just feels like that might happen, but I hope not.

In the original version the yoke was not bushed, but rather it was just an anodized aluminum surface rubbing against a steel alignment rod. Premature wear of the yoke was a result and this sometimes caused a difficult plunging action. Here's a shot, in order, of the top and the bottom view of the aluminum yoke.






The new version has Oilite style bushings which should eliminate the issue provided the proper geometry is maintained during machining. 




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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2020, 01:00 PM »
I would be very curious to know what TSO found issues with.  I think this tool (I have the MKII) is a fine tool.  As I was using it today I was wondering what else they might come up with in the future.  The only thing I am concerned about is the sticks themselves.  I hope the holes in them don't start wondering at some point.  Just feels like that might happen, but I hope not.

@Rick Herrick - considering that AXMINSTER had launched an earllier version of the Drill Guide only to pull it from the market because of customer satisfaction issues, we expecte the much delayed replacement product to be "spot-on".

Instead we were surprised that once again there were customer complaints from the very beginning on this new product and AXMISNTER again pulled it off the marktet (temporarily).

It's public knowledge that this product is not manufactured by AXMINSTER. What unsettled us was that the re-launch of the product did not have AXMINSTER catching some pretty apparent problems at the source. Like a rubbery base cover glued onto the diecast base which resulted in unsatisfactory stability among some other less visible issues.

It is easy to find faults but much harder to do better in the first place. AXMINSTER are good people as we know from up close and personal experience. We have shared with senior management that outstanding customer service is not a substitue for solid product design or manufacturing quality.

To AXMINSTER's credit, their sizeable organization is becoming more responsive.  Since the generational change in leadership a year ago, we have more regular highlevel contacts where our feedback and your feedback relayed by us, is heard!

Hans

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2020, 01:11 PM »
Snip.
We have shared with senior management that outstanding customer service is not a substitue for solid product design or manufacturing quality.
Hans
Business wisdom well stated.

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2020, 01:20 PM »
@TSO_Products .  Thanks for the info Hans.  I realize you and your team have a boatload more experience with these vendors and products.  You mention different versions of the product and their issues.  My only knowledge is the original and then the updated MKII version.  I have heard so many good reviews of both, especially the newer MKII.  The fact that no one can keep them in stock would suggest, at least to rookies like me, that it is a great product but I realize there could be other reasons for this.

I have drilled more than 2 full 4x8 sheets of holes and I am very happy with the results.  If your work with them can help make the product better, I applaud you.  Its a cool tool and the more I use it, the better I get at understanding how to use it. I say that because on this last table I basically divided up the 4x8 sheet into sections and the holes (20mm) were done at several different times.  I did do the 3mm holes across the entire table in one pass though. 

I think I have mentioned that the biggest issue for me is the holes in the sticks.  Not confident that their accuracy and 'roundness' will last a long time.  I also wish I could get spare parts easily.  Every time I pull out the 3 - 3mm pins, I get OCD making sure I don't leave them anywhere where they could get lost or broken.

Thanks again for your help in making it better.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2020, 01:35 PM »
@TSO_Products .  Thanks for the info Hans.  I realize you and your team have a boatload more experience with these vendors and products.  You mention different versions of the product and their issues.  My only knowledge is the original and then the updated MKII version.  I have heard so many good reviews of both, especially the newer MKII.  The fact that no one can keep them in stock would suggest, at least to rookies like me, that it is a great product but I realize there could be other reasons for this.

Thanks again for your help in making it better.

@Rick Herrick - now I get it: you, understandably -  as a relative FOG newcomer, were misled by the FOG thread title to believe it had to do with hole drilling using the PARF GUIDE series AXMINSTER UJK products which is the topic of a number of other FOG Threads - but not this one. [cool]

This thread actually deals with an entirely different tool as you can see in some earlier pictures and a placeholder image from our website of an earlier version:
https://tsoproducts.com/brands/UJK-Technologies.html

now this should make sense to both if us  [wink]

Hans


Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2020, 01:42 PM »
@TSO_Products .  Hans, I appreciate the kind way you handled that... [big grin]

I am more than slightly embarrassed I didn't catch that..  Sorry folks.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2020, 10:26 AM »
Anyone here get the Rockler email today advertising their new drill guide? $149 and aside from color and it only has one drill stop collar looks identical to the forever out of stock UJK guide.


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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2020, 12:07 PM »
After what Hans wrote, it seems Rockler decided it was "good enough".

I know I'd wait for a "Hans approved" release.  [big grin]

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2020, 12:34 PM »
@six-point socket II

exactly what I was thinking Oliver. One thing I know about Hans is he won't sell anything that isnt a quality product. Thats what sometimes takes him so long to release a product for us to buy. He doesnt do "good enough"

Ill wait for Hans to sell it

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2020, 08:29 PM »
Anyone here get the Rockler email today advertising their new drill guide? $149 and aside from color and it only has one drill stop collar looks identical to the forever out of stock UJK guide.

Does look very similar but I don't remember the UJK version having the storage for the hex wrench and chuck key in the base.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2020, 09:51 PM »
Friends -
as many of you understand, the AXMINSTER version Drill Guide is made in Taiwan. That manufacturer, like many in Taiwan and China, specializes in a particular type of tool or machine. They then customize their line to a degree dictated by the foreign buyer (US or other country) importer. This customization aims to make each importers product appear unique in the market.

Nothing new about that. Just look at stationary woodworking powertools. It's done with automobile engines and entire cars,too.

You need to understand that the days are long gone where Taiwan or China did not have the technical capability to make very sophisiticated products extremely well. The variables in outcome:
       1. VOLUME ! ! !  AND the profit margins (think APPLE, and all higher end electronics...)
       2. the end users un- or willingness to pay for quality level and features
       3. the importers un- or willingness to manage the sourcing process from the beginning to delivery based on profitability.

On both counts, it is the importer who controls the level of quality, features and proper execution by limiting the spend up front in order to meet a particular "Price point" and also to minimize the importers costs by exerting minimum to zero importer's oversight over the whole process.

Easy to criticise the importer (many of the big names). Just look at the murderous competition and low margins in stationary powertool pricing. The Importers respond to their customers: major retailers and, ultimately of course, you, the end customer.

When you read here on the FOG the lengths to which some folks go to get the 'Cheapest price" - well then, as an importer and retailer you'll offer what the customer buys.

And that discourages many well known brands from going too far up the quality and features menu.

This is the long way of saying there is a BIG market for "good enough", and a progressively smaller market for "no compromise and no excuses" - which is where TSO has chosen to be.

I would be less than candid if I didn't tell you the ROCKLER product mirrors in a good number of ways what AXMINSTER has been struggling to bring to market.  It also gives you an idea why we continue to hesitate until we see a product version that meets OUR expectations.

In the end, the customer's buying behavior drives it all. That's you and me. - think about it as you calibrate your expectations for a product or service.[wink]

Hans


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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2020, 09:47 AM »
Thanks Hans! Great presentation of quality vs demand vs price etc. I went ahead and ordered the Rockler version and will test it out. If it doesn't do what I need it to do I will gladly sell it and buy the UJK version once it becomes available again. I boubht the original UJK version and frankly don't use it as a piece of the shaft that sticks into the drill broke off and beyond that the quality just wasn't there. Difficult to set up (getting the chuck holder to move up and down the posts smoothly). The new version with the bushings should be a much better option. I have a lot of TSO AND UJK tools and their quality, notwithstanding the first iteration of the UJK drill guide, is uncompromising!

Jack

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2020, 10:05 AM »
@Claimdude - thank you for your comment. I am making an effort to provide perspective which some our FOG members may not be aware of. I realize for more than a few it will be well understood already.

Let me know when the Rockler Drill Guide has arrived. Email me directly with your phone number  noting your FOG handle so I can connect the dots.

Hans
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2020, 11:06 AM »
I bought the original UJK version and frankly don't use it as a piece of the shaft that sticks into the drill broke off and beyond that the quality just wasn't there. Difficult to set up (getting the chuck holder to move up and down the posts smoothly).

FWIW...along with the wear/scoring issues on the original UJK drill stand because of the lack of Oilite bushings, there were also issues with the parallelism of the support rods. I had to shim one of the rods over .010" in order to have the chuck move up and down smoothly.

So with the support rods not being parallel to each other combined with the softness of the aluminum against the steel rods, with continued use things just got worse and worse until the drill stand was rendered useless.

I anticipate the Oilite bushings will make a huge difference in the smoothness of the movement of the yoke, however, that's the reason for the caveat in my prior answer.

"The new version has Oilite style bushings which should eliminate the issue provided the proper geometry is maintained during machining". 



« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 11:09 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2020, 12:12 PM »
@Cheese
Does chuck rotates on bronze bushings on UJK stand? Rockler version has ball bearings.

@Claimdude
Does Rockler stand indeed has some kind of bushings sliding along the rods? It's hard to see in their video.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2020, 12:14 PM »
Svar, on the UJK I have it rotated on a bronze/Oilite.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2020, 02:08 PM »
One of the photos appears to steel bearings.

Jack



@Cheese
Does chuck rotates on bronze bushings on UJK stand? Rockler version has ball bearings.

@Claimdude
Does Rockler stand indeed has some kind of bushings sliding along the rods? It's hard to see in their video.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2020, 08:57 PM »
I've submitted a question on the Rockler site requesting more info on the compositions of the bushings used. Will report back with the answer I receive.
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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2020, 08:47 PM »
So I see the UJK Drill Guide now shows as available at the Axminster website but due to it having "hazardous" material they won't outside the UK! Seriously folks!!! I don't want a can of chemicals just a hardware only drill guide....

Hans, HELP!

Jack

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2020, 05:59 PM »
Make it 4 for Big Gator...I also have their ANSI tap guide, it's slick.  [cool]

I will have to look for that. I have often wondered why no one made such a guide, and using a drill press and turning the chuck with tap inserted by hand gets real tedious.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2020, 10:44 PM »
Oops! Well, in addition to the photo of trees I uploaded here are the pics of the Rockler Drill Guide ;-)

So, I unboxed my drill guide from Rockler today and aside from the color and only one stop it could be a UJK drill guide. Here is a pic. I took a few more but can't find them at the moment. They used some king of bearings to glide on, action is smooth, etc. We'll see.

Jack
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 07:03 AM by Claimdude »

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2020, 04:17 AM »
I love the trees!  [tongue]

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2020, 07:00 AM »
The trees are just "projects in waiting"...

I've been pleased with my UJK drill guide (latest version, I think); and the finish seems good, so maybe there is a little variability here?
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 07:04 AM by Euclid »

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2020, 07:04 AM »
Jiggy and Joiner are quite funny  8) [blink]

Jack

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #84 on: July 04, 2020, 08:35 AM »
Jiggy and Joiner are quite funny  8) [blink]

Jack

 [big grin]  [wink]

It does look similar to the UJK version but, with differences. Just yesterday I was in an Axminster store, and had their version in my hands.
The chuck bearings look different, and couple of other things but, you can bet your Rockler version is a big improvement on the early UJK version.
I was told yesterday, all the issues on the UJK are now sorted.
It seemed very smooth in movement, although so did the early version when new.
Anyway, good luck with the Rockler, I think it will be fine.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 09:13 AM by Jiggy Joiner »

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #85 on: July 04, 2020, 10:56 AM »
So, I unboxed my drill guide from Rockler today and aside from the color and only one stop it could be a UJK drill guide.

That Rockler item is a huge improvement over the original UJK unit.   [cool]   The vertical rods on the Rockler are no longer able to travel through the base...that's a good thing.  On the original UJK, the rods could be lowered through holes in the base and then retightened with set screws. That caused the rods to look like this.




And because there were no Oilite bearings used in the aluminum yoke, wear was an issue




Consequently, 6 nylon setscrews with locknuts were utilized to eliminate the slop in the worn rod/yoke assembly.


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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #86 on: July 04, 2020, 11:26 AM »
Got an email from Harvey Tool this morning in reply to my complaint that dimensions are missing from so many tool descriptions at their version of the Bridge City Tool website.

The email said Harvey makes tools for Grizzly and Axminster and others. Didn’t say which tools but this Rockler tool looks pretty good and not unlike their work.

Offline Svar

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #87 on: July 04, 2020, 12:42 PM »
Jiggy and Joiner are quite funny  8) [blink]
Jack
[big grin]  [wink]
It does look similar to the UJK version but, with differences.
Agreed. What Claimdude posted appears to be Quercus rubra (NA red oak). A UK based UJK version would have been Quercus robur (English or European oak). Both of the same genus.

But back to the drill guide. If there is no wobble in the bushings and chuck, and rods are parallel, then that is a great tool.

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #88 on: July 04, 2020, 02:20 PM »
Jiggy and Joiner are quite funny  8) [blink]
Jack
[big grin]  [wink]
It does look similar to the UJK version but, with differences.
Agreed. What Claimdude posted appears to be Quercus rubra (NA red oak). A UK based UJK version would have been Quercus robur (English or European oak). Both of the same genus.

But back to the drill guide. If there is no wobble in the bushings and chuck, and rods are parallel, then that is a great tool.

 [big grin] [big grin] [thumbs up]

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #89 on: July 04, 2020, 03:53 PM »
Just in case folks missed it, the UJK (and I guess by extension the Rockler) drill stand (1st and 2nd generations) has been discussed at length elsewhere on the FOG (beginning at Post #55) :

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-drill-stand/30/
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #90 on: July 04, 2020, 04:31 PM »
@Claimdude - seven questions:

1. Judging from your photos, the Rockler version appears to feature brass or bronze bushings for the interface between the chuck carriage and the steel guide rods. As was discussed earlier,  the UJK version features bronze Oilite (oil impregnated) bushings. The advantage of these are that they provide continually lubricated operation while reducing to a minimum any play between the carriage and the guide rods. Are you able to discern any noticeable play between the chuck carriage and the guide rods on the Rockler version?

2. I note the Rockler version features a brass thumbscrew to lock the chuck carriage against one of the steel guide rods. I assume the use of a brass fastener is to prevent marring of the relevant steel guide rod. In practice, does use of the brass thumbscrew do an damage to the associated guide rod?

3. Do you have the capability of being able to determine if the guide rods are accurately parallel/coplaner/inline with with each other? If so, how are yours?

4. The first run of the 2nd Generation UJK-branded drill guide suffered from a problem with the rubber base which produced a wobble. Does yours suffer from this problem?

5. Assuming you have access to a caliper, what is the diameter of the guide rods? I'm wondering which size stop collar is compatible (since it should be a simple matter to acquire a second collar should two be desired).

6. The hex shaft connected to the chuck on the UJK version is Centrotec-compatible. It appears from your photos that the Rockler one may be as well. Can you confirm?

7. Do the graduations on the angle adjustment castings appear to be accurate and in agreement?

Looking forward to your reply! :)
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 04:37 PM by TinyShop »
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Offline Claimdude

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #91 on: July 04, 2020, 10:33 PM »
Tinyshop,

1. The slide action is very smooth and there is a slight oil film left on the rods. Other than that I don't know what the makeup of the bushings is. If you know of a way of can tell for sure let me know.
2. The brass screw does not damage the rod when tightened on it.
3. The rods are coplaner, parallel etc as far as I can tell with a Woodpecker square
4. This one sets perfectly flat on the base. No rocking or movement at all.
5. The rod measures 13.83 mm or .544 in
6. The hex shaft does accept the centrotec chuck.
7. The markings are accurate and agree at least at 90 degrees which is the only way I gauged it.

I am not a huge Rockler fan but they appear to have done a good job on this item.

Jack

@Claimdude - seven questions:

1. Judging from your photos, the Rockler version appears to feature brass or bronze bushings for the interface between the chuck carriage and the steel guide rods. As was discussed earlier,  the UJK version features bronze Oilite (oil impregnated) bushings. The advantage of these are that they provide continually lubricated operation while reducing to a minimum any play between the carriage and the guide rods. Are you able to discern any noticeable play between the chuck carriage and the guide rods on the Rockler version?

2. I note the Rockler version features a brass thumbscrew to lock the chuck carriage against one of the steel guide rods. I assume the use of a brass fastener is to prevent marring of the relevant steel guide rod. In practice, does use of the brass thumbscrew do an damage to the associated guide rod?

3. Do you have the capability of being able to determine if the guide rods are accurately parallel/coplaner/inline with with each other? If so, how are yours?

4. The first run of the 2nd Generation UJK-branded drill guide suffered from a problem with the rubber base which produced a wobble. Does yours suffer from this problem?

5. Assuming you have access to a caliper, what is the diameter of the guide rods? I'm wondering which size stop collar is compatible (since it should be a simple matter to acquire a second collar should two be desired).

6. The hex shaft connected to the chuck on the UJK version is Centrotec-compatible. It appears from your photos that the Rockler one may be as well. Can you confirm?

7. Do the graduations on the angle adjustment castings appear to be accurate and in agreement?

Looking forward to your reply! :)

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #92 on: July 05, 2020, 01:47 PM »
Thanks @Claimdude! :)
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n]

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
« Reply #93 on: July 09, 2020, 03:35 PM »
Just received the following response from Rockler regarding their version of the drill guide:

"The Rockler Portable Drill Guide has Self-Lubricating bushings. Additionally, this is not the same as the Axminster-Branded Drill Guide. Rockler's is much more substantial. It is larger in size and had a larger chuck which can accept 1/2" Drill bits. There are several other features including a 90° stop, storage holes, larger vise attachment, Easy-To-Grip Knobs and a quick lock brass knob which makes this a fantastic product which sets itself apart."

Not only does this appear to officially answer the question re: the bushings, it also points out the fact that the Rockler version features a slightly longer travel (8-7/8" versus 8.2") - meaning, I'm guessing, longer guide rods - a true 1/2" chuck (versus the 10mm chuck fitted to the stock UJK version) and, apparently, wider guide rod spacing (apparently allowing for a larger footprint optional vise).
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:38 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n]

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