Author Topic: Festool Clamps compatible with T Track brands (Read 210429 times)

SRSemenza · « **on:** August 28, 2007, 10:23 AM »

Hi,

I just discovered that the Quick Clamp fits in my T Track. The screw type clamps would not.

Seth

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An additional list provided by Chrisprols.

Note - newer screw type clamps have the same profile as the Quick clamps.

Quick Clamp -ok- incra T Track

screw Clamp -nok- incra T Track

Quick Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)

screw Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)

Quick Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track

Screw Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track

Quick Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)

screw Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)

Quick Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions

screw Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions

Quick Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track

screw Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track

Quick Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner

screw Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner

Quick Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20

screw Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20

Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track

screw Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track

Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak

screw Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak

Quick Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)

screw Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)

Quick Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track

screw Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track

Quick Clamp -ok- Dakota 1/2" T Track

Dave Ronyak · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2007, 12:27 PM »

Seth,

What is the brand of your T-track?

Dave R.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2007, 08:12 PM »

Quote from: Dave Ronyak on August 28, 2007, 12:27 PM

Seth,

What is the brand of your T-track?

Dave R.

Hi,

The T track in the pictures is Incra. I just went to the shop to try a couple others.

Fits the Incra with flat head or pan head screws holding the track down.

Fits the Incra scale track with flat or pan head.

Fits Woodpeckers track with flat head.

Does not fit Kreg track at all.

Seth

Dave Ronyak · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2007, 02:01 PM »

Thanks, Seth. You saved me from buying incompatible track!
Dave R.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #4 on:** May 07, 2008, 10:54 AM »

Hi,

The question of compatible T track has come up several times since I first started this thread. If anyone has the Festool Quick Clamp and other brands of T Track than have already been posted here, please give it a test and add the results to this thread. Also note that the type of screw head can sometimes make a difference.

Seth

SRSemenza · « **Reply #5 on:** June 08, 2008, 11:46 PM »

Hi,

I have been told that the clamps will not fit into Lee Valley Track either.

Seth

wooden · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:07 AM »

There are 2 common sizes of t-track available and often used in woodworking - 1/4 and 5/16. This might be the problem?

Of course, there are lots and lots of different size t-tracks....but 1/4 and 5/16 is most often seen in woodworking stores.

If you look at Lee Valley, they sell both sizes of track and hardware that is appropriate for one or the other:

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=52399&cat=3,43576,52799

Qwas · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2008, 11:48 PM »

The clamps work in the 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions.

I have some and tried it. The screw and quick clamps both work in the track.

Qwas · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2008, 11:51 PM »

Quote from: Tim Sproul on June 09, 2008, 12:07 AM

There are 2 common sizes of t-track available and often used in woodworking - 1/4 and 5/16. This might be the problem?

The problem is the depth of the 5/16 inch track. Some tracks are not deep enough to allow the clamps to fit in the slot.

Any 1/4 inch track will not work, not wide enough to begin wth.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2008, 01:48 AM »

Hi,

Hmmm, The tracks that I have found they fit are all termed 1/4" T Track. Not for the actual measured size of the track, but because the heads of 1/4" bolts will fit in them. The trouble is that the extrusians are of differing brands have enough differences to make some work and some not. Which is why I started compiling this list.

Seth

KorDes · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2008, 07:06 AM »

Tried the clamps on the t-tracks from Rockler and they dont fit.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2008, 10:15 AM »

Quote from: KorDes on July 09, 2008, 07:06 AM

Tried the clamps on the t-tracks from Rockler and they dont fit.

Hi,

Thanks for the info. Did you try both types (Quick and screw)? They have different profiles themselves.

Seth

Fridolin · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2012, 03:49 AM »

In spite it is not quite on topic:

The Festool clamps fit to the base of the Incra LS Positioner.
You can clamp it securely to the edge of any table and use the Positioner.

Brian.ca · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2012, 07:34 PM »

They (screw & quick clamps) also work in the 15 series extrusions from 80/20

Acrobat · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2012, 07:43 AM »

Quote from: KorDes on July 09, 2008, 07:06 AM

Tried the clamps on the t-tracks from Rockler and they dont fit.

Do you have any other brands of track? What about Kreg?

SRSemenza · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2012, 05:40 PM »

The Festool clamps will not fit the Kreg track.

Seth

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2012, 06:21 PM »

They will fit all the Woodpecker tracks however it requires grinding/sanding a hair off the side of each clamp, the leg that slides into the track. The amount was minor, I just touched it to my disk sander for < 1 second.

RMW

Burchie · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2012, 04:40 PM »

RMW: Regarding your picture, what do you primarily use the two woodpeckers T tracks with the sliding bar setup for?

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #18 on:** May 16, 2012, 08:28 AM »

Quote from: jmbfestool on May 15, 2012, 05:50 PM

Quote from: Burchie on May 15, 2012, 04:40 PM
RMW: Regarding your picture, what do you primarily use the two woodpeckers T tracks with the sliding bar setup for?

I'll take a gues! Routering dados?

Yup - Dadoes but also other grooves/rabbets and cuts like the slots in the aluminum bars shown in the photo.

I can adjust the width between the t-tracks and then use various router guides and bits. Example would be using the Festool 40MM guide ring with a 8mm straight bit, if I widen the spacing between the tracks to 50MM the cut becomes 18mm (8mm bit + 10mm gap) and I make the cut in 3+ passes.

Add stops to the t-track and I can easily limit the length of cut. It works great when I need repeatable cuts, which I often do since I make multiple copies of the same small part.

RMW

maisoui · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2012, 10:48 AM »

Hi there, hi Seth,

did you try the Kreg Heavy Duty Track as well, or just the normal (I think 1/4") Tracks?

Thanks

SRSemenza · « **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2012, 12:44 PM »

Quote from: maisoui on June 25, 2012, 10:48 AM

Hi there, hi Seth,

did you try the Kreg Heavy Duty Track as well, or just the normal (I think 1/4") Tracks?

Thanks

Hi, welcome to the FOG!

I only tried the regular, I don't have the heavy duty ( http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-KMS7704-48-Inch-Heavy-Track/dp/B0002QZ4UI ) to test. Based on the pictures of the heavy duty , it looks like the channels are shallow like the regular. I am sure someone here on FOG must have some of the heavy duty that they could try the clamps in.

Seth

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2012, 12:49 PM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on June 25, 2012, 12:44 PM

Quote from: maisoui on June 25, 2012, 10:48 AM
Hi there, hi Seth,

did you try the Kreg Heavy Duty Track as well, or just the normal (I think 1/4") Tracks?

Thanks

Hi, welcome to the FOG!

I only tried the regular, I don't have the heavy duty ( http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-KMS7704-48-Inch-Heavy-Track/dp/B0002QZ4UI ) to test. Based on the pictures of the heavy duty , it looks like the channels are shallow like the regular. I am sure someone here on FOG must have some of the heavy duty that they could try the clamps in.

Seth

I have the Kreg Top Trak, channels look identical to the Heavy Track, and they are too shallow for the Festool clamps.

RMW

maisoui · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2012, 02:35 PM »

@ RMW: Thanks for trying ... anyway ... too bad ...

dmc123 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2012, 08:17 PM »

I have 8' of old Rockler t-track I never used and sadly the 4 or 5 flip-stops I have from the MFT/3 DO NOT FIT! The flip-stops do fit the Incra track (I picked some up at Woodcraft on sale last month).

gnlman · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:36 PM »

Just rec'd my Lee Valley T Tracks and both the quick clamps and the screw clamps fit in the 5/16 track(Item 12K7932) . They do not fit in the 1/4 track though....Glad I read this thread it might have taken me years to give this a try!! lol
Thanks for all the help I've rec'd in FOG forums, I finally got to post something nobody else had!! haha
Greg

SRSemenza · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2013, 02:05 PM »

I believe that all the Festool clamps have the same slightly slimmer profile as the Quick clamps in my original post. So the compatibilities should be the same for both the quick clamps and screw type clamps assuming you are not using screw type clamps from quite a few years ago.

Seth

moody · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM »

I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2013, 06:47 PM »

Quote from: moody on March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM

I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

I have tracks that appear to be identical, which I purchased from McMaster Carr. The clamps do fit them.

RMW

skids · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2013, 08:42 PM »

Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 06:47 PM

Quote from: moody on March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

I have tracks that appear to be identical, which I purchased from McMaster Carr. The clamps do fit them.

RMW

Jackpot! I was just mulling this question...thx!

What I want to know now is if those Incra tracks can be set in 3/4" birch ply. I have a need to add them to my extension wings for my Kapex to make the fence adjustable.

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2013, 08:49 PM »

Quote from: skids on March 11, 2013, 08:42 PM

Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 06:47 PM
Quote from: moody on March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

I have tracks that appear to be identical, which I purchased from McMaster Carr. The clamps do fit them.

RMW

Jackpot! I was just mulling this question...thx!

What I want to know now is if those Incra tracks can be set in 3/4" birch ply. I have a need to add them to my extension wings for my Kapex to make the fence adjustable.

The Incra T-Track and T-Track Plus are 1/2" thick so they can be dado'ed into 3/4" ply. They come with short pan head screws seemingly for that purpose.

RMW

skids · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2013, 08:54 PM »

Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 08:49 PM

Quote from: skids on March 11, 2013, 08:42 PM
Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 06:47 PM
Quote from: moody on March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

I have tracks that appear to be identical, which I purchased from McMaster Carr. The clamps do fit them.

RMW

Jackpot! I was just mulling this question...thx!

What I want to know now is if those Incra tracks can be set in 3/4" birch ply. I have a need to add them to my extension wings for my Kapex to make the fence adjustable.

The Incra T-Track and T-Track Plus are 1/2" thick so they can be dado'ed into 3/4" ply. They come with short pan head screws seemingly for that purpose.

RMW

Good to know thx..I Also found a 1/4" in track on Woodpeckers which could work well for my application, and it takes 1/4-20 bolts etc.

I want to be able slide my fence forward and back on my extension wings. I just have to figure out how to fasten to the T track since the top of the fence is occupied by the Kreg stop system. Maybe some blocking on the back of the fence with through-bolts to the track.

http://www.woodpeck.com/wpttrack.html

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2013, 07:06 AM »

Quote from: skids on March 11, 2013, 08:54 PM

Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 08:49 PM
Quote from: skids on March 11, 2013, 08:42 PM
Quote from: RMW on March 11, 2013, 06:47 PM
Quote from: moody on March 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
I wonder if these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-ft-T-Slot-T-Track-Aluminum-Jig-Clamp-Hold-Down-/270533884216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efd137938 will accept the festool clamps? It says it accepts standard 1/4-20 hex bolts, the same as the incra track. Anyone tried these?

I have tracks that appear to be identical, which I purchased from McMaster Carr. The clamps do fit them.

RMW

Jackpot! I was just mulling this question...thx!

What I want to know now is if those Incra tracks can be set in 3/4" birch ply. I have a need to add them to my extension wings for my Kapex to make the fence adjustable.

The Incra T-Track and T-Track Plus are 1/2" thick so they can be dado'ed into 3/4" ply. They come with short pan head screws seemingly for that purpose.

RMW

Good to know thx..I Also found a 1/4" in track on Woodpeckers which could work well for my application, and it takes 1/4-20 bolts etc.

I want to be able slide my fence forward and back on my extension wings. I just have to figure out how to fasten to the T track since the top of the fence is occupied by the Kreg stop system. Maybe some blocking on the back of the fence with through-bolts to the track.

http://www.woodpeck.com/wpttrack.html

The Woodpecker track I have used, their "dual purpose" track, is slightly too small for the Festool clamps. They only fit if you file/grind a touch off of the sides of the clamps, which I have done with all my clamps and it does not impact their use in the guide rails, etc. That may not be the case with the track you linked to but the photo does make is appear to have slightly thicker sides than the Incra tracks.

Also, the McMaster and Incra track has a recess for the pan head screws, without this I think the screw heads may hit the clamp.

RMW

doctr-dan · « **Reply #32 on:** December 08, 2014, 06:04 AM »

Time to awaken a old thread !

I'm trying to find a festool clamp compatible t track in Australia
I tried the veritas 5/16 and it seems a bit sloppy
Thanks

itasor · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2015, 12:05 PM »

The Festool quick clamps and the Dewalt track clamps fit the Incra T track perfectly.

BillyG · « **Reply #34 on:** March 13, 2015, 12:04 AM »

I read somewhere that this "Orange Aluminum" track works with the Festool clamps, but I haven't tried it. I used the Incra track. The price seems great on the Orange Aluminum track compared to Incra.

Cut Length   Sku   Each

18"   OA7150-18   $4.13
24"   OA7150-24   $4.82
36"   OA7150-36   $6.34
48"   OA7150-48   $7.83

http://www.orangealuminum.com/t-slot-framing-systems-and-tracks/t-track.html

Billy

shaneymack · « **Reply #35 on:** March 13, 2015, 01:16 AM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on June 08, 2008, 11:46 PM

Hi,

I have been told that the clamps will not fit into Lee Valley Track either.

Seth

The lee valley 5/16" t-track works. Thats what i have and the quick clamps fit.

Edit: didnt realise i was responding to a 7 year old post....my bad. Its late, I should be sleeping

Greg M · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:34 PM »

Quote from: BillyG on March 13, 2015, 12:04 AM

I read somewhere that this "Orange Aluminum" track works with the Festool clamps, but I haven't tried it. I used the Incra track. The price seems great on the Orange Aluminum track compared to Incra.

Cut Length   Sku   Each

18"   OA7150-18   $4.13
24"   OA7150-24   $4.82
36"   OA7150-36   $6.34
48"   OA7150-48   $7.83

http://www.orangealuminum.com/t-slot-framing-systems-and-tracks/t-track.html

Billy

I just got some of this track and Festool clamps do work with it. I bought extra track because it was cheap and shipping costs didn't change much.
6 - 4ft pieces shipped from coast to coast for $58.63

BillyG · « **Reply #37 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:48 PM »

Nice!! That's a heckuva deal compared to the Incra track.

Billy

Mr Heavy · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:04 PM »

Quote from: shaneymack
Edit: didnt realise i was responding to a 7 year old post....my bad. Its late, I should be sleeping[emoji1

What the heck is a seven year old doing posting on the FOG, particularly if it's late?

SRSemenza · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:16 PM »

Quote from: Mr Heavy on May 01, 2015, 08:04 PM

Quote from: shaneymack
Edit: didnt realise i was responding to a 7 year old post....my bad. Its late, I should be sleeping[emoji1

What the heck is a seven year old doing posting on the FOG, particularly if it's late?

Seven year old post.

Seth

Andy UK · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2015, 02:23 AM »

The Festool quick clamps also fit the Dakota 1/2" T Track sold by Rutlands in the UK:
http://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+woodworking-power-tool-accessories-jig-making-t-tracks-t-track-48-x-1-2-section-dakota+m_dk2052

HoustonJames · « **Reply #41 on:** June 29, 2015, 01:50 PM »

One person has mentioned the 15 series from 8020.net. I'm a BIG fan of second opinions when I'm about to fork out a bunch of cash for a new project.

Can anyone else confirm that the Festool clamps work in the 15s?

Does anyone know if anyone from 8020 has an account here on FOG?

Cheese · « **Reply #42 on:** June 29, 2015, 05:59 PM »

Quote from: HoustonJames on June 29, 2015, 01:50 PM

Can anyone else confirm that the Festool clamps work in the 15s

Yes they do.

HoustonJames · « **Reply #43 on:** June 29, 2015, 06:48 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on June 29, 2015, 05:59 PM

Yes they do.

Thank you @Cheese. Curious if you already had that photo or if you went and snapped it just for this thread. Either way, greatly appreciated.

Is that a piece of 1515?

Cheese · « **Reply #44 on:** June 29, 2015, 06:55 PM »

Quote from: HoustonJames on June 29, 2015, 06:48 PM

Curious if you already had that photo or if you went and snapped it just for this thread. Either way, greatly appreciated.

Is that a piece of 1515?

The 1515 shown is part of a work table I set up outside. I was taking it down and decided to add a couple of clamps and take a photo for your post.

Chrisprols · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2016, 10:43 AM »

All,

I know it's nearly 10 years old post, but it was so confusing to have all the information that I summarized it.
While I summarized it, why not share the summary.

Quick Clamp -ok- incra T Track
screw Clamp -nok- incra T Track
Quick Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)
screw Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)
Quick Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track
Screw Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track
Quick Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)
screw Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)
Quick Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions
screw Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions
Quick Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track
screw Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track
Quick Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner
screw Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner
Quick Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20
screw Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20
Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track
screw Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track
Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak
screw Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak
Quick Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)
screw Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)
Quick Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track
screw Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track
Quick Clamp -ok- Dakota 1/2" T Track

The only doubt I had was with regards to the difference between quick clamp and srew type clamp. So they don't have the same thickness ? is that why with incra t-track, only the quick clamp will fit ?

rst · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:18 AM »

8020 has an E-Bay store and I have bought a couple thousand $s worth through there. They recently made orders available directly https://www.8020.net/peaceofmind-online-ordering. They also have a network of distributors and if you request a catalog they also provide contact info for the nearest distributor.

ear3 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:25 AM »

Thanks @Chrisprols for bringing some order to the chaos. Maybe @SRSemenza can copy and paste your list to the head of the thread.

Quote from: Chrisprols on February 23, 2016, 10:43 AM

All,

I know it's nearly 10 years old post, but it was so confusing to have all the information that I summarized it.
While I summarized it, why not share the summary.

Quick Clamp -ok- incra T Track
screw Clamp -nok- incra T Track
Quick Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)
screw Clamp -ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)
Quick Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track
Screw Clamp -nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track
Quick Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)
screw Clamp -ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)
Quick Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions
screw Clamp -ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions
Quick Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track
screw Clamp -nok- Rockler T Track
Quick Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner
screw Clamp -ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner
Quick Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20
screw Clamp -ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20
Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track
screw Clamp -nok- Kreg regular track
Quick Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak
screw Clamp -nok- Kreg Top Trak
Quick Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)
screw Clamp -ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)
Quick Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track
screw Clamp -ok- Orange Aluminum" track
Quick Clamp -ok- Dakota 1/2" T Track

The only doubt I had was with regards to the difference between quick clamp and srew type clamp. So they don't have the same thickness ? is that why with incra t-track, only the quick clamp will fit ?

SRSemenza · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:14 PM »

Quote from: Edward A Reno III on February 23, 2016, 11:25 AM

Thanks @Chrisprols for bringing some order to the chaos. Maybe @SRSemenza can copy and paste your list to the head of the thread.

Yup, done.

Quote from: Chrisprols on February 23, 2016, 10:43 AM

The only doubt I had was with regards to the difference between quick clamp and srew type clamp. So they don't have the same thickness ? is that why with incra t-track, only the quick clamp will fit ?

Newer Festool screw type and quick clamps have the same slimmer profile. There was only a difference in them years ago.

Seth

Chrisprols · « **Reply #49 on:** February 25, 2016, 03:38 AM »

Quote

Newer Festool screw type and quick clamps have the same slimmer profile. There was only a difference in them years ago.

In this case, there is no point to split compatibility between screw type and quick clamps.
I updated the list (it makes it lighter, less of a headach to read) :

ok- incra T Track
ok- woodpecker track (requires sanding)
nok- Lee Valley 1/4 Track
ok- Lee Valley 5/16 track(Item 12K7932)
ok- 40 series of 8020 Inc. extrusions
nok- Rockler T Track
ok- the base of the Incra LS Positioner
ok- 15 series extrusions from 80/20
nok- Kreg regular track
nok- Kreg Top Trak
ok- veritas 5/16 (sloppy)
ok- Orange Aluminum" track
ok- Dakota 1/2" T Track

Cheese · « **Reply #50 on:** June 29, 2016, 10:03 PM »

So FWIW...
I decided I needed to be able to add some quick clamps to some 80/20 rails without removing the rails from the work table.

So, using an OF 1010, MFS and a 1/4" x 1/4" carbide end mill, I enlarged the channel so that this was possible. Just an example of what you can do with a router while working in aluminum. Just dial the speed down and take small cuts.

And don't climb cut!!!

ear3 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 30, 2016, 09:25 AM »

So that's just the entry port you router there @Cheese ? I assume it can now slide back and forth in the channel?

Cheese · « **Reply #52 on:** June 30, 2016, 11:30 AM »

You got it Edward, it just makes using quick clamps real easy, and they'll slide the full length of the 80/20.

The cutout only needs to be 23mm x 93mm, however at the 93mm length, the clamps interfere with the router travel. So, I had to make it 23mm x 143mm and then put in two 25mm spacers to act as router stops. Those are the wooden squares you see at each end.

grayedout · « **Reply #53 on:** June 21, 2017, 05:11 PM »

My New Profile Bench is working well with Festool Clamps..

Svar · « **Reply #54 on:** June 21, 2017, 06:01 PM »

Quote from: grayedout on June 21, 2017, 05:11 PM

My New Profile Bench is working well with Festool Clamps..

They look like 40x40mm Bosch-Rexroth extrusions with 10 mm slots. I have those. 10 mm slots are little too wide, the clamp will grab but on the very edges, 0.5 mm on each side. I'm afraid it might chew up the sides of the slot if you tighten it well.

SonOfMI · « **Reply #55 on:** October 04, 2017, 07:31 PM »

Peachtree Woodworking is near my home and shop and they sell their own t-track in store and online at ptreeusa.com as well as at
ttrackusa.com. They actually sell two different sizes.

Mini T-Track - Designed to work with 1/4" hex bolts: Festool screw and quick clamps do NOT work with this t-track. Neither do the Grizzly screw clamps that work with guide rails.
Here is the Peachtree Mini t-track: https://www.ptreeusa.com/ttrack_track.html and http://ttrackusa.com/track_%20systems.htm#1021

Heavy Duty T-Track - Works with 3/8" hex bolts: The Festool screw and quick clamps as well as the Grizzly screw clamps work with this t-track - but it is a really sloppy fit.
Here is the Peachtree Heavy Duty t-track: https://www.ptreeusa.com/ttrack_track.html and http://ttrackusa.com/track_%20systems.htm#1018

A note on the sloppiness of the clamps in the Heavy Duty t-track: You can position the clamp foot inside the track to where one edge of the clamp foot is not under the t-track. The clamp foots are large enough they cannot twist out of the t-track completely though. I have some of the Lee Valley 5/16" t-track and all of the clamps mentioned work with that and are a much better fit, plus it is cheaper.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #56 on:** October 04, 2017, 08:08 PM »

Hi,

Thanks very much for the update and added info!

Seth

ben_r_ · « **Reply #57 on:** October 27, 2017, 07:30 PM »

Amazing thread!

Svar · « **Reply #58 on:** October 27, 2017, 07:47 PM »

@SRSemenza
Seth,
You can add:
Bosch-Rexroth 30 mm - OK
Bosch-Rexroth 40 and 45 mm - barely OK, will grab, but 10 mm opening is a bit wide
Woodpecker Supertrack (5 slots) - OK, but might require sanding of the clamp, about 0.25 mm

Cjgiombi · « **Reply #59 on:** April 08, 2018, 11:41 AM »

This recently came up for me so thought I’d add onto this old thread.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-36-length-standard-1-4-t-track

Woodriver T Track bought at wood craft works great.

guitarchitect · « **Reply #60 on:** August 02, 2018, 10:26 AM »

Does anyone know if there's a router bit that will cut a compatible T-Slot in one pass? I did a tonne of searching yesterday and couldn't find the goldilocks bit based on my measurements. 5/16" throat, 1/4 deep by 1/2" wide T-slot. I'm going to try a Lee Valley keyhole bit - unless there's one hiding out there somewhere!

RKA · « **Reply #61 on:** August 02, 2018, 10:42 AM »

No idea, but I can check my festool clamps tonight to see if they fit in a 1/2" dovetail groove. I normally use the microjig dovetail clamps in that, but it's possible the Festool clamps would fit? I suspect the Festool clamps would bind as the walls of the dovetail angle in before clearing the profile of the clamp.

rst · « **Reply #62 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:50 AM »

Usually tee slots are cut in two passes, a straight walled dado to the make clearance neck and a second for the slotting bit. Depending on what your cutting, you're going to get a lot of burning.

guitarchitect · « **Reply #63 on:** August 02, 2018, 12:11 PM »

Quote from: RKA on August 02, 2018, 10:42 AM

No idea, but I can check my festool clamps tonight to see if they fit in a 1/2" dovetail groove. I normally use the microjig dovetail clamps in that, but it's possible the Festool clamps would fit? I suspect the Festool clamps would bind as the walls of the dovetail angle in before clearing the profile of the clamp.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of that. I'm cutting my grooves in plywood so I was focused on trying to keep the edges of the grooves as thick as possible... but I bet with a tiny easing of the dovetail shoulder it'd be just as good. I'm sure I have a 1/2" dovetail bit, I'll check that on my next shift in the shop!

EDIT: Sadly, it didn't work. The dovetail wasn't wide enough. I did a second pass to take another 2mm off the width and it was pretty sloppy.

guitarchitect · « **Reply #64 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:37 PM »

Quote from: rst on August 02, 2018, 11:50 AM

Usually tee slots are cut in two passes, a straight walled dado to the make clearance neck and a second for the slotting bit. Depending on what your cutting, you're going to get a lot of burning.

It wasn't bad actually. When I tried a dado stack/bit approach I wasn't able to properly center the bit in the slot and it ended up very sloppy... it doesn't help that I needed to do two passes in the router bit to get the proper width. I suspect that if I used a dado router bit at the right width and then just swapped the bits out it would be better, but I wasn't able to try that out. The system I ended up using made a very precise but loose enough slot that the clamps stay standing up but move freely in the 4' groove.

See the attached pics, don't mind the wavy plies of the HD plywood

GoingMyWay · « **Reply #65 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:51 PM »

That looks pretty good. Is it strong enough to hold the clamp in while clamping something?

ben_r_ · « **Reply #66 on:** August 02, 2018, 05:16 PM »

Looks pretty good! But MAN is that plywood some high quality stuff!

RKA · « **Reply #67 on:** August 02, 2018, 07:28 PM »

That is not going to hold. That ply will separate right below that third layer. (Or maybe you were just testing on the ply, in which case, never mind)

I did test the Festool clamp on a 1/2” dovetail slot and it did bind. If you took two passes to widen the dovetail, the clamp would likely pull out of the slot with very little pressure. It’s not worth bothering. But I would recommend the microjig clamps intended for this purpose.

. They have a trapezoidal profile that matches the dovetail slot.

guitarchitect · « **Reply #68 on:** August 02, 2018, 09:13 PM »

Quote from: GoingMyWay on August 02, 2018, 04:51 PM

That looks pretty good. Is it strong enough to hold the clamp in while clamping something?

Absolutely. I clamped a piece of 5/4 hard maple, lined it up against the fence, and ripped a perfect 1.5mm strip off the right side of it (the jig is meant to act like a sliding table on the left side of the blade).

@RKA to your point, consider that the clamp is using the whole length of itself, not just a point load. Even on this cheap junk it holds very, very strong. I clamped the maple down as hard as I could and didn't hear any telltale cracking - since stock is being clamped flat to the surface it prevents the clamp from having too much pull upwards. I think the bigger issue is how long the edge will last if it's being constantly abused by sliding clamps.

Since it has worked so well I will probably use it on my upcoming workbench and assembly tables (from Timothy wilmots system workshop) for which I will use hard maple... It should last a long time!

EDIT: Just took a look at the Microjig site - that's really funny as they're basically demoing all the stuff I'm trying to do! Unfortunately their clamps aren't the quick clamp type though, just the screw-downs... having had the quick clamps for a while now I just have no interest in anything else! Hopefully the keyhole bit I try out will make for a simple two-pass process

RKA · « **Reply #69 on:** August 02, 2018, 10:15 PM »

Well, heed rst’s advice about hogging out the channel with a straight bit first before switching to the keyhole. These dovetails and keyhole bits have a weak spot at the neck and plowing them right into wood can cause them to break. If you’re going to do it just make sure you’re clear of flying metal bits as it enters or exits. Mid cut it should be captured under your work piece.

taylord22 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 06, 2018, 11:05 AM »

Does anyone know if the 15 or 40 series extrusion fit both Kreg and Rockler track clamps/holding solutions?

I'm considering running some 80/20 around the perimeter of my custom MFT top (in hopes that TSO's potential track holder becomes an option

), and then also running two sections of t-track across the horizontal 12-18" in from both edges (in between pattern, 1/8 below surface). The reason I'm interested is that I find a few of Rockler's t-track clamps appealing.

I planned to use Incra track for those horizontal runs. But wanted to double check that the 8020 (1530S or 4080, unless there's a better option) that I will be running can handle all 3 without a grosse amount of slop.

rst · « **Reply #71 on:** September 06, 2018, 01:52 PM »

15 series works fine, bolt heads slide easier if you ease the horizontal edges. I used 15 series 3034 as the tracks in my drill press table.

Cheese · « **Reply #72 on:** September 06, 2018, 02:42 PM »

Quote from: taylord22 on September 06, 2018, 11:05 AM

Does anyone know if the 15 or 40 series extrusion fit both Kreg and Rockler track clamps/holding solutions?

I'm considering running some 80/20 around the perimeter of my custom MFT top, in hopes that TSO's potential track holder becomes an option.

If you're talking about the Rockler clamps with the 5/16" T-bolts, they fit both the 15 & 40 series extrusions.

Here's a shot of some I ran around a work bench.

Bernmc · « **Reply #73 on:** December 17, 2018, 11:06 PM »

Quote from: guitarchitect on August 02, 2018, 10:26 AM

Does anyone know if there's a router bit that will cut a compatible T-Slot in one pass? I did a tonne of searching yesterday and couldn't find the goldilocks bit based on my measurements. 5/16" throat, 1/4 deep by 1/2" wide T-slot. I'm going to try a Lee Valley keyhole bit - unless there's one hiding out there somewhere!

I have one of these waiting to try at home: https://www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-tee-slot-cutter-for-track-clamps-101972?sel=101972

Will let you know what happens...

Bernmc · « **Reply #74 on:** December 20, 2018, 03:08 AM »

Here are a few pics of a slot I milled into a piece of scrap today with the cutter I mentioned above.
Perfect fit. Has a depth of up to 22.5mm, so that should give enough wood for the clamp to bite on. This slot is 15mm deep.
Clamp is an Axminster equivalent to the Festool quick clamps

kitui · « **Reply #75 on:** June 04, 2019, 05:47 PM »

FYI, I have the Veritas Quad by LeeValley and it fits the Festool Screw clamp only on the narrower t-track.

tomp · « **Reply #76 on:** June 04, 2019, 07:39 PM »

Has anybody looked to see whether the long arm of the Festool and Microjig clamps to see how closely they match? Visually, they look very similar, wondering if the hole in the sliding jaw can be modified to allow using the Festool Quick jaw on the Microjig dovetail shaft. Not a cheap solution, but may be worth it if it works and that's what you must have.

Grev · « **Reply #77 on:** June 05, 2019, 09:44 AM »

Quote from: tomp on June 04, 2019, 07:39 PM

Has anybody looked to see whether the long arm of the Festool and Microjig clamps to see how closely they match? Visually, they look very similar, wondering if the hole in the sliding jaw can be modified to allow using the Festool Quick jaw on the Microjig dovetail shaft. Not a cheap solution, but may be worth it if it works and that's what you must have.

They do work ... here are a couple photos of the Festool ratchet assembly on the micro-jig arm. I've used the Infinity t-slot bit to cut slots that will fit Festool and other clamps, but the 14 degree dovetail bit for the micro-jig is much easier and better for slots in wood, with a stronger hold. For the dovetail slots, I usually cut a slot first with a straight bit, then clean out with a final pass with the dovetail bit. FYI ... if you need t-track to fit all the clamps, go with the Orange Aluminum. All the clamps work and I believe it is the most inexpensive around.

tomp · « **Reply #78 on:** June 05, 2019, 10:00 AM »

That's great, thanks for checking. I was going to check compared to the regular Festool screw clamp, saved from having to do that. Downside is that now I have to buy one (or more, more is better, right?) of those expensive clamps.

I've become a big fan of the dovetail clamps, and have been incorporating them into my work-holding fixtures - just finished cutting a new miter fence extension with dovetail slots, but will be using the new Dovetail Hardware that Microjig just released.

Microjig Dovetail hardware

I just bought the dovetail router bit that Microjig sells; it cuts a radius on the outside corners and should make the slots less likely to get damaged.

guitarchitect · « **Reply #79 on:** November 18, 2019, 11:59 AM »

Quote from: Bernmc on December 17, 2018, 11:06 PM

Quote from: guitarchitect on August 02, 2018, 10:26 AM
Does anyone know if there's a router bit that will cut a compatible T-Slot in one pass? I did a tonne of searching yesterday and couldn't find the goldilocks bit based on my measurements. 5/16" throat, 1/4 deep by 1/2" wide T-slot. I'm going to try a Lee Valley keyhole bit - unless there's one hiding out there somewhere!

I have one of these waiting to try at home: https://www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-tee-slot-cutter-for-track-clamps-101972?sel=101972

Will let you know what happens...

aw man, when did they come out with this? would have loved to have it when I was doing my stuff! problem of course is that axminster shipping to canada is mega $$$, it's basically an $80 router bit for me!

strongly considering the matchfit kit at this point - when I want to bang out a jig it takes ages to properly set everything up just for some small passes - and forget about ever doing it hand-held!

guitarchitect · « **Reply #80 on:** November 18, 2019, 12:13 PM »

Quote from: tomp on June 05, 2019, 10:00 AM

That's great, thanks for checking. I was going to check compared to the regular Festool screw clamp, saved from having to do that. Downside is that now I have to buy one (or more, more is better, right?) of those expensive clamps.

I've become a big fan of the dovetail clamps, and have been incorporating them into my work-holding fixtures - just finished cutting a new miter fence extension with dovetail slots, but will be using the new Dovetail Hardware that Microjig just released.

Microjig Dovetail hardware

I just bought the dovetail router bit that Microjig sells; it cuts a radius on the outside corners and should make the slots less likely to get damaged.

how do you find the "slop" between the little dovetail pieces and the slot - and does the material you're cutting the slot in make a difference? I'm building a TS sled right now and i'm strongly considering using the matchfit system!

williamduncan · « **Reply #81 on:** April 04, 2020, 03:21 PM »

This thread is ancient and hugely useful. Thank you everyone.

I've got plenty of options for my workbench ideas from what is already here but I see that Powertec tracks are widely available and seem to be widely used. Do those work as well?

tazprime38 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 19, 2020, 07:44 AM »

What is the ideal dimensions of the t slot in a t track that would allow both types of festool clamps to work with?

williamduncan · « **Reply #83 on:** April 19, 2020, 11:09 AM »

I got this UJK bit https://www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-tee-slot-cutter-for-track-clamps-101972, recommended above, and it's measurements are perfect. Hard to improve upon.

SteveL · « **Reply #84 on:** February 24, 2021, 12:05 AM »

Quote from: williamduncan on April 19, 2020, 11:09 AM

I got this UJK bit https://www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-tee-slot-cutter-for-track-clamps-101972, recommended above, and it's measurements are perfect. Hard to improve upon.

Anyone know of a similar router bit to the Axminister option that’s available in the US?

Cheese · « **Reply #85 on:** February 24, 2021, 11:30 AM »

Quote from: SteveL on February 24, 2021, 12:05 AM

Anyone know of a similar router bit to the Axminister option that’s available in the US?

Just Google T-slot router bit. Amana, Whiteside, Infinity, Rockler, MLCS, CMT...there's a ton of them out there.

Paul_HKI · « **Reply #86 on:** February 28, 2021, 05:21 PM »

For anyone shopping for T-Track in Europe, Fine-Tools (Dieter Schmid, in Germany) have an affordable Juuma branded version. This accepts both the screw and cam type Festool/Bessey clamps.

https://www.fine-tools.com/juuma-t-nutschiene.html

redline9k · « **Reply #87 on:** November 19, 2022, 10:52 AM »

digging up the archive here...

looks like the Lee Valley (12K7932) fits both "ok"...but thats made by Veritas, which is listed as sloppy fit - can anyone confirm?

basically, just trying to find a t-track that works well with both clamps.

Mortiser · « **Reply #88 on:** November 19, 2022, 01:20 PM »

I've been using the Lee Valley for my Festool clamps for years. Works great.
Here are the item numbers for the track in different lengths...

12K7932   2' 5/16 T-Slot Track
12K7934   3' 5/16 T-Slot Track
12K7938   4' 5/16 T-Slot Track

Mike9800 · « **Reply #89 on:** November 25, 2022, 03:18 PM »

Does anyone know if the Festool Quick Clamp fits 1030 Aluminum Extrusions? https://8020.net/1030-s.html

Richard/RMW · « **Reply #90 on:** November 25, 2022, 05:28 PM »

Quote from: Mike9800 on November 25, 2022, 03:18 PM

Does anyone know if the Festool Quick Clamp fits 1030 Aluminum Extrusions? https://8020.net/1030-s.html

Nope, it doesn't.

RMW

rst · « **Reply #91 on:** November 27, 2022, 08:38 AM »

Mike the Fes clamps will only fit the 15 series extrusions.

kiblerjd · « **Reply #92 on:** March 01, 2023, 10:38 AM »

Hey everyone not sure if this is widely known information yet but i discovered it today and wanted to share. Woodpecker just released a router bit that will cut the track clamp t-slot and it looks awesome. The only other bit i was aware of was the axminster one and those are very expensive to get shipped here. The woodpecker one is solid carbide and it is a spiral bit. I ordered one today super stoked to try it. Again sorry if this was widely known information but i have been reading through this thread the last few weeks trying to decide on a t-track..... and this bit solved my problem.

https://www.woodpeck.com/ultra-shear-solid-carbide-track-clamp-t-slot-bit.html

squall_line · « **Reply #93 on:** March 01, 2023, 01:19 PM »

Quote from: kiblerjd on March 01, 2023, 10:38 AM

Hey everyone not sure if this is widely known information yet but i discovered it today and wanted to share. Woodpecker just released a router bit that will cut the track clamp t-slot and it looks awesome. The only other bit i was aware of was the axminster one and those are very expensive to get shipped here. The woodpecker one is solid carbide and it is a spiral bit. I ordered one today super stoked to try it. Again sorry if this was widely known information but i have been reading through this thread the last few weeks trying to decide on a t-track..... and this bit solved my problem.

https://www.woodpeck.com/ultra-shear-solid-carbide-track-clamp-t-slot-bit.html

I saw that bit in my email this morning. My brain couldn't quite wrap my head around it, almost like a cylinder covered in 'dazzle' camouflage.

NiteWalkerGR · « **Reply #94 on:** March 01, 2023, 03:33 PM »

Does anyone know if this track works?

Woodpeckers 1/4" Track

It looks very similar to the woodriver track sold by woodcraft that was said to work.

jeffinsgf · « **Reply #95 on:** March 01, 2023, 04:27 PM »

Quote from: NiteWalkerGR on March 01, 2023, 03:33 PM

Does anyone know if this track works?

Woodpeckers 1/4" Track

It looks very similar to the woodriver track sold by woodcraft that was said to work.

It does not.

NiteWalkerGR · « **Reply #96 on:** March 01, 2023, 04:33 PM »

Quote from: jeffinsgf on March 01, 2023, 04:27 PM

Quote from: NiteWalkerGR on March 01, 2023, 03:33 PM
Does anyone know if this track works?

Woodpeckers 1/4" Track

It looks very similar to the woodriver track sold by woodcraft that was said to work.

It does not.

Bummer.

Thanks. I'll go for one of the other solutions.

justin_248 · « **Reply #97 on:** March 19, 2023, 04:16 PM »

First post on the forum here.

Today I discovered that POWERTEC 71351 t-track works with Festool quick clamps. A 2-pc of 48" track sells on Amazon for $26.99 with free shipping. This appears to have a similar profile to Orange TT63 t-track, which costs a fortune to ship. Link below:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09C1YTKKV