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Offline j.wendell

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Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:24 PM »
Looking for some advice here on the best square that comes with or has an optional systainer case.

I am between the:
1. Woodpeckers
2. TSO GRS-16 PE
3. Benchdogs

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2020, 03:01 PM »
You might wanna add TaigaTools to your list:
https://www.taigatools.com/precision-rail-square-festool-makita-triton-rails.html

And — let’s not forget — Festool has licensed the TSO-design and sells it now as FS-WA/90° (# 205229 ).


OOPS: Did not consider the Systainer link. But you could fix that yourself w a foam insert.
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Offline elfick

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2020, 03:23 PM »
I have the TSO GRS and absolutely love it. It fits right in the TS55 systainer so you don't need to dedicate a systainer to the GRS.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2020, 05:24 PM »
I keep a TSO square tucked in the HKC Systainer and another one in the TSC Systainer. Then the only extra thing you have to carry is a guide rail.



« Last Edit: May 19, 2020, 08:42 PM by Cheese »

Offline elm

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2020, 06:13 PM »
I just got the Benchdog model.  I have done just a few tests with it and like it so far.  It was just a few bucks short for free shipping, so I added in a couple of small dogs to push me above the threshold for free shipping.  Came in a few weeks and just as advertised. I did get the systainer with it to make it easy to store.  I have a few cuts to do in the next few days and if I use it, I will report back.

I should note that I also got it because I liked the mechanism to attach it with minimal potential for damage to the track.  It was also a bit cheaper than the other options.  The TSO will attach faster than the Benchdogs will and while there were some complaints about a knockoff of TSO damaging rails, I had not heard any complaints about TSO, but I wanted to be 'safe'.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2020, 06:16 PM by elm »

Offline promark747

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020, 06:46 PM »
How does the Benchdog version lock into the rail?  It appears to slide on with a key (similar to the guide rail hinge on the rear of the MFT3).  Since there obviously needs to be some play for it to slide on, how does the square self align with the rail?

Offline elm

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 08:46 PM »
@promark747, yes it attaches like the MFT3 guide rail hinge.  When I tighten it down, it seems to square itself nicely.  I wanted to test it a bit and I have an active project taking up all of my garage, but was able to use space on my table saw (right now more than a table than a saw).  I put on the Benchdogs square, tightened it up and then put it on the edge of the table saw table and put my triangle square against it.  No play at all and it went in nicely with no binding.  Now a few cuts would be a better test, but this was a nice quick experiment.  I will post some pics if I can get that to work.  Keep getting issues.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2020, 08:49 PM by elm »

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 09:43 PM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

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We also sell our inserts together with our limited edition TSO-branded systainer, pictured above, with and without the insert.

Offline j.wendell

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2020, 11:36 AM »
You might wanna add TaigaTools to your list:
https://www.taigatools.com/precision-rail-square-festool-makita-triton-rails.html

And — let’s not forget — Festool has licensed the TSO-design and sells it now as FS-WA/90° (# 205229 ).


OOPS: Did not consider the Systainer link. But you could fix that yourself w a foam insert.



Is there a link to the festool TSO version for the USA market?

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2020, 11:43 AM »
You might wanna add TaigaTools to your list:
https://www.taigatools.com/precision-rail-square-festool-makita-triton-rails.html

And — let’s not forget — Festool has licensed the TSO-design and sells it now as FS-WA/90° (# 205229 ).


OOPS: Did not consider the Systainer link. But you could fix that yourself w a foam insert.



Is there a link to the festool TSO version for the USA market?


Nope. Not yet available (or announced) on the US-website.
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2020, 12:32 PM »
Is there a link to the festool TSO version for the USA market?

The Festool version, 205229, is available across the pond.


Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2020, 12:42 PM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

Wish I had waited to order these.  The version I received didn't look near this nice.

Offline j.wendell

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2020, 02:35 PM »
Is there a link to the festool TSO version for the USA market?

The Festool version, 205229, is available across the pond.

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Do you know of anyone shipping to the USA?

Offline jeffinsgf

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020, 02:48 PM »
If you think you might ever need an angle other than 90 degrees, the Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square has you covered. Available with or without Systainer.

Offline j.wendell

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2020, 02:50 PM »
If you think you might ever need an angle other than 90 degrees, the Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square has you covered. Available with or without Systainer.


Yeah, its just the priciest option but I am looking at it

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020, 03:11 PM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

Wish I had waited to order these.  The version I received didn't look near this nice.

@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2020, 05:13 PM »
@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

@TSO Products - Actually my issue is with the foam itself.  Mine is kind of ragged looking.  Not at all like what you have now.

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2020, 07:46 AM »
@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

@TSO Products - Actually my issue is with the foam itself.  Mine is kind of ragged looking.  Not at all like what you have now.

@Rick Herrick - not sure I understand your comment. If there is any unsatisfactory aspect of the product you received, we'll replace it - no problem.

Please email a picture of what you describe to
info@tsoproducts.com att. Hans

Offline ColossusX

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2020, 08:57 AM »
TSO hands down.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2020, 12:18 AM »
Another to add to the options, the Insta-RailSquare: LINK
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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2020, 12:19 AM »
Is there a link to the festool TSO version for the USA market?

The Festool version, 205229, is available across the pond.

(Attachment Link)

Do you know of anyone shipping to the USA?
Theres a couple on eBay but right now it's too early and they are still overcharging for the product or shipping. Give it some more time and the Festool branded one will be available for cheap from someone shipping to the US.
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Offline promark747

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2020, 09:13 AM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

Wish I had waited to order these.  The version I received didn't look near this nice.

@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

An unbranded clear version, no.  Clear with the Festool logo, yes.  Not sure if you guys produce those yourselves or license for Festool to make.

Thanks

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2020, 11:14 AM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

Wish I had waited to order these.  The version I received didn't look near this nice.

@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

An unbranded clear version, no.  Clear with the Festool logo, yes.  Not sure if you guys produce those yourselves or license for Festool to make.

Thanks
Exactly.
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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2020, 11:54 AM »
TSO with the parallel guides.

 Hands down

Offline savsuds

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2020, 01:14 PM »
I own the Woodpecker and Insta-rail XL. I would prefer to own the Benchdogs or TSO version. But, I am leaning towards Benchdogs since I am satisfied with my Woodpecker parallel guides and also love using dogs in the table top. If I wasn't happy with the Woodpecker PG, I would swap over both to TSO.
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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2020, 08:04 PM »
Another to add to the options, the Insta-RailSquare: LINK
@ben_r_ - I'm sure you're just trying to be helpful to fellow FOG members, but you may not be aware that the Insta-Rail rail squares are an unauthorized imitation (not copy)  of our GRS-16 series.

They are in direct violation of our Canadian and  US Patents. This infringement is a violation by the Canadian source as well as the sole US importer/seller. These two companies are well aware of their continuing and wilful patent violations.

Fortunately for TSO, woodworkers who are aware of the knock-offs, prefer to buy from and support the origionator rather than own a knock-off from companies who abuse the intellectual property of the patent owner: TSO Products LLC.

Hans

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 01:35 PM »
As mentioned and already pictured, our GRS-16 fits nicely in existing track saw systainers. We have also recently updated our Dual FoamPac Insert which is now CNC cut out of Kaizen Foam:

Wish I had waited to order these.  The version I received didn't look near this nice.

@Rick Herrick - would you really prefer a plain clear anodized matt finish as used overseas? - if there is enough interest we'll run a batch.

Hans

An unbranded clear version, no.  Clear with the Festool logo, yes.  Not sure if you guys produce those yourselves or license for Festool to make.

Thanks

TSO has entered into a collaborative license agreement with FESTOOL where TSO supplies the Latch assembly built on our proprietary tooling while FESTOOL machines and completes the aluminum plate for final assembly and packaging in Germany.

Our agreement provides for the distribution of the FESTOOL version only outside North America where FESTOOL has wide distribution coverage we cannot economically match. The overseas customers are best served that way.

In North America we can serve every customer ourselves directly online and with the help of a carefully expanding dealer network in the USA and Canada.

The innovation we continue to drive at TSO depends on maintaining and growing a viable business here in the US - we literally could not keep the doors open with license fee income and we're not about to close the doors.
You North American customers are what keeps TSO innovating! - so we

Thank You very much - we sincerely appreciate you!

Hans and Eric

Offline Df1k1

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 02:15 PM »
Tso. Definitely. Especially as you can add on the parallel guide system at your leisure. I have the GRS-16 PE could be happier.

Offline vkumar

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 03:28 PM »
Thank you TSO for offering these products.  I am thrilled by every product I have purchased, from the rail squares to the parallell gudes and the Big Foot.  I wish for more products along the MFT fences/stops lines.


TSO has entered into a collaborative license agreement with FESTOOL where TSO supplies the Latch assembly built on our proprietary tooling while FESTOOL machines and completes the aluminum plate for final assembly and packaging in Germany.

Our agreement provides for the distribution of the FESTOOL version only outside North America where FESTOOL has wide distribution coverage we cannot economically match. The overseas customers are best served that way.

In North America we can serve every customer ourselves directly online and with the help of a carefully expanding dealer network in the USA and Canada.

The innovation we continue to drive at TSO depends on maintaining and growing a viable business here in the US - we literally could not keep the doors open with license fee income and we're not about to close the doors.
You North American customers are what keeps TSO innovating! - so we

Thank You very much - we sincerely appreciate you!

Hans and Eric
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Offline j.wendell

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Re: Best Rail Square that has a systainer option
« Reply #29 on: Today at 10:26 AM »
Looks like im going with the TSO product.

Thanks everyone