Author Topic: Columns -- Long Bevels/miters (Read 4667 times)

Bob D. · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2022, 09:50 PM »

Quote from: xedos on April 05, 2022, 06:36 PM

those columns are definitely NOT miter folded.

Agree, if you save the image to your PC then you can view it zoomed in and see that they are butt joints, and some of them not even tight like it's a break down assembly that fits loosely together.

Packard · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2022, 10:44 AM »

Quote from: ChuckS on April 05, 2022, 01:36 PM

Photography sounds like just as technical, if not more, as woodworking!

Less so now than when I was a photographer. My first wedding set up was entirely manual. I manually set the f/stops and shutter speeds and manually set the flash. It did require some mental gymnastics to do the math on flash fill. Infact, at that time I was the only one I knew who was doing it. Now it is easy and automatic.

As Woodwise mentioned not all photographers are sticklers on details. This photo which I posted earlier is a rather nice portrait of the couple and I am certain that they love it. But all I can see is the ugly hinges on the column to their left.

I had a client who asked me to frame a copy of a photo from his wedding album. The quality of the copy was dismal and I declined. I suggested that he contact the original photo studio (in Japan where he was stationed at that time--Navy) and buy a fresh copy.

The quality was amazing. This Japanese photographer used 4" x 5" view camera for all his shots. He had a stylist for the couple that attended to creases on the fabric and for straightening neckties. He had another who setup the table shots. She apparently had a cart with clean dishes and silverware and she re-set each table to appear as it had just prior to the meal.

Everything was very tidy. The downside is that everyone looked very stiff and the photos lacked spontaneity. My photography featured a lot of candids. That studio had none. Everything was formal and well-executed.

I imagine it was a very pricey photo studio. But I don't think that approach would work in the USA.

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2022, 06:01 PM »

As a guy who used to mess with Photoshop at a fairly high level a few years ago, I can tell you that those hinges could disappear like magic.

mino · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2022, 07:08 PM »

Quote from: Crazyraceguy on April 06, 2022, 06:01 PM

As a guy who used to mess with Photoshop at a fairly high level a few years ago, I can tell you that those hinges could disappear like magic.

"Let off of My Hinges!"

Too much shopping and too litle photography by today's "photographers". Those hinges give the photo depth and realism. People who seek perfection and get sterility instead. Us messing with wood should feel that.

But it is changing for the better. A friend mentioned lately she does a third the shopping she did a couple yrs back. People just demand it less.

I guess they see shopped/phone photo stuff all the time so is no longer "special". While a good composition is a good composition.

/geting old and grumpy/

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #34 on:** April 07, 2022, 07:38 PM »

Seems like everything lately has been about filters and over-doing it. "Good" shopping is not noticeable. Done right, you would never have known those hinges were there, and never miss them.

We have gone way off topic, so I will bring it back with a couple of timely pics.
After all of the talk about this, I had a job come up today with two long (114") miters, on HPL particle board. I did them exactly as I described. Table saw at 45, leaving a flat on the edge of about 1/16", then routing against a straight edge.
This material was over 13/16 thick, so the bit that I have was not quite able to clear off the short-point. I had to get out a Bosch Colt with a tilt base and a flush-trim bit to finish it up. A bigger diameter bit wouldn't have fit in the OF1400 anyway.
I did the main cut with the OF1400, using the chip-collector cup and the 36mm hose, and it did a great job, nearly dust free. Then came the Colt, for the little ridge at the top and it threw stuff everywhere.

I took one of the actual piece too, but I must have moved? it's all fuzzy. I get one tomorrow.

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #35 on:** April 09, 2022, 05:38 PM »

Pics added. The first one is 114" and the standing one is 86".
That's the box that the OF1010 F came in

ChuckS · « **Reply #36 on:** April 09, 2022, 05:47 PM »

Quote from: sdscolumbia on April 05, 2022, 11:22 AM

Snip.

Actually, upon rewatching, he uses the table saw to cut the miters

Snip.

As pointed out in the video, the Jessem Stock Guides played an important role in ensuring the cuts (at whatever angle) to be tight against the fence, and hence producing straight and parallel work. The Guides is worth every cent of the price, not to mention its function of eliminating kickback.

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #37 on:** April 09, 2022, 06:28 PM »

The problem with that is that these panels are 19" wide. Any kind of featherboard or stock guide rollers are so far from the blade as to be useless.
The even bigger issue only apples to the shorter unit, but it is even more difficult to cut because of the shape. It may not be apparent in the photo ( I don't remember) but there is a "notch" ,for want of a better word, in the upper part of the sides. The sides are only 3" deep in the first 24" or so. They come from the CNC that way, so impossible to saw with that edge against the fence. So I cut the bevels on the big slider saw. This can only ever be so accurate though, as there is no fence to follow. You have to trust the measurement of the overhang on the sliding table itself. Not good enough. I can get close, leave a flat, and route it off with a bevel bit.

ChuckS · « **Reply #38 on:** April 09, 2022, 06:38 PM »

Quote from: Crazyraceguy on April 09, 2022, 06:28 PM

The problem with that is that these panels are 19" wide. Any kind of featherboard or stock guide rollers are so far from the blade as to be useless.
Snip.

Why is the 19" width an issue? As far as the stock guides is concerned, the wider the board the better! The stock guides won't work on pieces that are too narrow (for the rollers).

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 09, 2022, 07:09 PM »

The stock guides are against the fence, the beveled blade is 19 inches away. Since a 45 degree bevel has a tendency to lift the workpiece, rollers 19 inches away can't help hold it down, near the cut.
But either way, you can't cut a piece shaped like the state of Utah, with the short side against the fence.
That notch is about 24" long, which would mean that the workpiece would hit the blade before it made contact with the fence.

ChuckS · « **Reply #40 on:** April 09, 2022, 07:45 PM »

Quote from: Crazyraceguy on April 09, 2022, 07:09 PM

The stock guides are against the fence, the beveled blade is 19 inches away. Since a 45 degree bevel has a tendency to lift the workpiece, rollers 19 inches away can't help hold it down, near the cut.
But either way, you can't cut a piece shaped like the state of Utah, with the short side against the fence.
That notch is about 24" long, which would mean that the workpiece would hit the blade before it made contact with the fence.

Not following the Utah piece, so I couldn't comment on that. But it can't be true that the rollers won't allow the saw to cut a bevel cleanly and accurately because of the 19" or, for that matter, a 24" width. The job of the rollers is NOT to hold down the board, but to guide the board towards the fence. Holding down the board is done by the operator, whether the stock guides is there or not. In fact, with the guides in place, the operator only needs to focus on keeping the board flat on the table as the piece is fed, without worrying about it veering away.

On the next suitable shop occasion, I'd try to find a wide scrap and show that, even though the miter fold YouTube video already showed the use of the stock guides as an aid to bevel the work.

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2022, 07:42 AM »

The proportions may be slightly off, but this is the basic shape of the shorter column.
The overall height of the long edge is approx 86, the thin section 3" wide and 24" long. Also, there are 2 of these, mirrored, so the method has to account for that too.
The bevel needs to be cut on the longest edge.

sdscolumbia · « **Reply #42 on:** April 19, 2022, 03:34 PM »

I looked around my area at the big box stores for some decent 12 foot long 1x10s and they were all horrible. 1X10 preprimed from a local lumberyard were super expensive. So, I decided to make the columns out of 4 panels each -- a frame of 1X4s with 1/4" plywood underneath. This way I am able to make a 11.75" wide column with plenty of room inside to reinforce with a full length (12 foot) 2X4.

Drawing 1.pdf (536.33 kB - downloaded 62 times.)

Taking some advice from earlier in this thread, I decided to bite the bullet and buy a longer rail so I could add one of my existing rails to it and cut the 12' in one pass. I plan on mitering/beveling 3 sides and rabbeting the 4th side for the removable panel. Will post pics of progress.

sdscolumbia · « **Reply #43 on:** April 19, 2022, 03:50 PM »

Conveniently, my son and I were in the process of starting a new project in the garage -- a 14' wooden boat, when I got the request from my sister-in-law to build the columns for a wedding next month. That is why I have a 14' long, short table in my garage, which is perfect for building these 12' columns. Boat will have to wait.

My wife may never get to park in the garage again.

sdscolumbia · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2022, 07:26 PM »

Made some progress.

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #45 on:** April 24, 2022, 08:57 AM »

Looks good, you're getting there.

sdscolumbia · « **Reply #46 on:** May 19, 2022, 11:04 AM »

Finished product -- thanks to all for your help.

View from the back (Band) side showing the removable panels:

"Front" side with miter folded corners:

Side:

rvieceli · « **Reply #47 on:** May 19, 2022, 11:47 AM »

Those look really nice. Well done.

If you don’t have a need for those V in the future I’d seriously consider selling them to a wedding venue.

Ron

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #48 on:** May 19, 2022, 06:52 PM »

Looks great.

Axis39 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 19, 2022, 08:56 PM »

Nice job! Those do look really good.

Can't wait to see the boat....

sdscolumbia · « **Reply #50 on:** May 24, 2022, 10:42 AM »

Don't know why I was worried about my mistakes (there were many) or my sister-in-law's paint job -- like someone mentioned earlier, they were covered with flowers. But mother of the bride was happy, so I was happy.