Author Topic: Upcoming CXS / TXS 18 (Read 19486 times)

woodferret · « **Reply #60 on:** April 14, 2023, 06:49 AM »

Quote from: wpz on April 14, 2023, 01:14 AM

There’s some weird shadow lines and shading on that cxs12, looks like photoshop to me.
Are you sure this was not posted on April 1st?

Nah, there are other people and videos of the thing posted on FB that went to the event. It doesn't look like the unwieldy mess the CXS18 was.

https://www.facebook.com/1659332929/videos/pcb.10160115231244961/217179231003335

(dunno if that link will work like YT links)

squall_line · « **Reply #61 on:** April 14, 2023, 09:56 AM »

Quote from: wpz on April 14, 2023, 01:14 AM

There’s some weird shadow lines and shading on that cxs12, looks like photoshop to me.
Are you sure this was not posted on April 1st?

Wpz

As woodferret mentioned, these were posted by attendees at a local Festool event. If it's a hoax, it's a significantly elaborate hoax that involves fully prototyped tools.

Chainring · « **Reply #62 on:** April 14, 2023, 12:48 PM »

Something I realized after sleeping is, the new CXS 12 battery will be able to use the TCL 6 and SCA 8 chargers. One less thing to store/carry, etc...

I wonder if it'll be able to use the accessories from the larger drills?

squall_line · « **Reply #63 on:** April 14, 2023, 01:35 PM »

Quote from: Chainring on April 14, 2023, 12:48 PM

Something I realized after sleeping is, the new CXS 12 battery will be able to use the TCL 6 and SCA 8 chargers. One less thing to store/carry, etc...

I wonder if it'll be able to use the accessories from the larger drills?

I'm guessing it will come with a TCL3 charger, but yes, it has the same charging arrangement as the 18V and ERGO batteries, so the charger will be one less concern, even though the batteries are different (again, like ERGO).

The front appears to have the same Fast Fix connector as the C18 and T18, so it hopefully can also use the same accessories.

If that's the case, someone who already has a full set or otherwise has accessories only needs the CXS12 and the batteries.

Based on the current offerings, they'll probably sell a 'Plus' variant with batteries, charger, and a centrotec Chuck and a 'Set' variant with the whole kit-n-caboodle, similar to the variants for the CXS10 and TXS10.

Mr Speaker · « **Reply #64 on:** April 17, 2023, 05:02 AM »

I need to know... is that CXS12 real. My faithful CXS batteries are dying after years of hard work. I even got rid of my C18 because I do everything with the CXS and occasionally with the the TPC on the rare occasion I need more torque. So i am considering the CXS 18, the weight will be OK, but it is so large (long/high). I would buy the CXS 12 in a heartbeat. So if it is a hoax, unhoax it and make one. But for now my question is if it is a real product.

Follow up question, will they discontinue the CXS/TXS? If the CXS 12 is not happening, I may want to pick up a new set since a new set is only slightly more than buying two batteries (and that is another discussion).

squall_line · « **Reply #65 on:** April 17, 2023, 10:16 AM »

Quote from: Mr Speaker on April 17, 2023, 05:02 AM

I need to know... is that CXS12 real. My faithful CXS batteries are dying after years of hard work. I even got rid of my C18 because I do everything with the CXS and occasionally with the the TPC on the rare occasion I need more torque. So i am considering the CXS 18, the weight will be OK, but it is so large (long/high). I would buy the CXS 12 in a heartbeat. So if it is a hoax, unhoax it and make one. But for now my question is if it is a real product.

Follow up question, will they discontinue the CXS/TXS? If the CXS 12 is not happening, I may want to pick up a new set since a new set is only slightly more than buying two batteries (and that is another discussion).

I would look into refurbishing the batteries, honestly. In my mind, that has to be cheaper than buying brand new ones, but I don't know off the top of my head who does that, and who does it well.

The complete lack of information from Festool USA on the new CXS variants is starting to move from 'out of touch, poor marketing' to 'actively anti-consumer', honestly.

mrB · « **Reply #66 on:** April 21, 2023, 11:38 AM »

Wow. The CXS 12 looks awesome. Hope it’s real!

Exactly what I’ve always wanted, a cxs that doesn’t require a different charger to all my other festool drills & tools. Perfect!!

mrB · « **Reply #67 on:** April 21, 2023, 02:17 PM »

I’m guessing it’s not fake.

Lime green · « **Reply #68 on:** April 30, 2023, 01:35 PM »

Quote from: mrB on April 21, 2023, 02:17 PM

I’m guessing it’s not fake.

I wonder when it will be released, at the pace that Festool moves I'm guessing the year 2036.

mino · « **Reply #69 on:** May 01, 2023, 07:03 AM »

Ref. the hypothetical CXS 12, I would not hold the breath.

It is pretty certain such existed in the R&D phase - I am sure Festool was testing both a "T/CSX 18" (released) and a "T/CXS 12" to see if the 100 grams battery weight difference makes a difference.

IMO the fact that only T/CXS 18 were announced points to the direction that it was determined those last 100 grams to be shaved off are not worth re-introducing the 12V "big" batteries *as a default option*.

So, the million dolar question:
Does the CXS 18 accept the (old only?) 12V batteries, like my DRC 18/4 and my PSC 420 do ?

I would like newer 12V "big" bateries to be made for my C12 Li and even the PSC, the last 3-cell ones made are only 1.5 Ah and 3.0 ones would be nice.

Spandex · « **Reply #70 on:** May 03, 2023, 12:50 PM »

That drill in the pictures by Chainring is way too polished to be a test mule or prototype device.

Chainring · « **Reply #71 on:** May 03, 2023, 02:19 PM »

Yep. The fact that these pictures are coming from public events tells me they're ready to go.

Can anyone recall Festool ever revealing a new, unreleased, tool at a public event then ditching it? That doesn't seem to be their thing.

grobkuschelig · « **Reply #72 on:** May 03, 2023, 03:36 PM »

I guess they would sell way less 18V CXSs if they announced a new 12V alongside.
This way, you get out the new „small“ 18V. Everyone orders one, half a year later everyone sees a tiny 12V and wants one of those as well.

I‘d fall for it.

igdesignla · « **Reply #73 on:** May 05, 2023, 01:58 AM »

I’ve been meaning to post on here as I was at the event and they showed off the cxs 12.

I can tell you it’s very real. Batteries are the same style as 18v and charge on the regular tcl/sca chargers.

It’s the ideal size imo. I personally don’t get the cxs18 and after holding both side by side I can say I really do hope they release the cxs 12 soon.

The rep I was talking with didn’t seem to have much info on it other than that they just brought it out to show off but he had no idea on a release date.

MAK · « **Reply #74 on:** May 05, 2023, 11:29 AM »

Quote from: igdesignla on May 05, 2023, 01:58 AM

I’ve been meaning to post on here as I was at the event and they showed off the cxs 12.

I can tell you it’s very real. Batteries are the same style as 18v and charge on the regular tcl/sca chargers.

It’s the ideal size imo. I personally don’t get the cxs18 and after holding both side by side I can say I really do hope they release the cxs 12 soon.

The rep I was talking with didn’t seem to have much info on it other than that they just brought it out to show off but he had no idea on a release date.

(Attachment Link)

What country are you in?
Regards

igdesignla · « **Reply #75 on:** May 05, 2023, 12:31 PM »

This was from the Cerritos college connect event in Los angeles

johnnynoogood · « **Reply #76 on:** May 05, 2023, 03:25 PM »

Not a hoax. Live on Festool US website for last few days and UK website longer.
Local Woodcraft has new battery Kapex, vac, and Tracksaw demos on site now. Said they expected to have at minimum a few of each for launch day. Did not know when the new T/CXS will be launched.

https://www.festool.com/products/new-products/new-products/576884---cxs-18-c3,1-set

mrB · « **Reply #77 on:** May 05, 2023, 06:03 PM »

Quote from: johnnynoogood on May 05, 2023, 03:25 PM

Not a hoax. Live on Festool US website for last few days and UK website longer.
Local Woodcraft has new battery Kapex, vac, and Tracksaw demos on site now. Said they expected to have at minimum a few of each for launch day. Did not know when the new T/CXS will be launched.

https://www.festool.com/products/new-products/new-products/576884---cxs-18-c3,1-set

You’ve linked to the CXS 18v.
The debate is about the newly spotted CXS 12v.

Though i don’t think there’s much to debate myself. It’s clearly a real product that’s on its way at some point.

igdesignla · « **Reply #78 on:** May 06, 2023, 02:00 PM »

In case anyone cares here’s a snapshot of the label showing rpm etc. Looks like production date on this was January 2023 and made in Czech Republic.

Cheese · « **Reply #79 on:** May 06, 2023, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: igdesignla on May 06, 2023, 02:00 PM

In case anyone cares here’s a snapshot of the label showing rpm etc. Looks like production date on this was January 2023 and made in Czech Republic.

Thanks for that @igdesignla that really is good news. It appears the max RPM is now 1600 vs the original 1200 which I've been carping about for my last 10 years of ownership. Also worth noting is that they still rate it at 10.8V...I wonder why?

igdesignla · « **Reply #80 on:** May 06, 2023, 06:00 PM »

As with basically all “12v” battery platforms using lithium cells, the cells are charged to a max voltage of 12V+ but the nominal voltage is 10.8v. A lithium battery cell is typically 3.6v nominal and a battery made from 3 cells in series or 2 series sets of 3 cells in parallel would be 3.6v*3 = 10.8v. Most lithium cells can reach 4.0-4.2v when fully charged so 4.2v*3 = 12.6v. It’s why most manufacturers now say “12v/20v/40v/60v” when in reality the cells are actually rated to 10.8v/18v/36v/56v.

hacke11 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 08, 2023, 04:13 AM »

And here i just got the CXS18 delivered this Saturday. And now it looks like the CXS12 is real?! Thats not a bummer, and i will tell you why. Ill get the 12v version as well

The CXS18, and i have only used it for a 1 hour session, is remarkable. It is really fantastic, the power is amazing. Cannot compare the C18 at all. Towards the C18 this thing is so much easier to handle and use.

carlb40 · « **Reply #82 on:** May 08, 2023, 11:26 AM »

Quote from: wpz on April 14, 2023, 01:14 AM

There’s some weird shadow lines and shading on that cxs12, looks like photoshop to me.
Are you sure this was not posted on April 1st?

Wpz

It's not photoshopped, there is a video where it is shown at a tool show in the usa.

wpz · « **Reply #83 on:** May 08, 2023, 09:17 PM »

Really @carlb40?
If only someone could post that exact same video again, maybe then I would be convinced

I know by now that it is real, but it still looks odd to me because the C-grip is so small.
Looks like I would not be able to fit more than 2 fingers in that grip, but I guess I will only know when I hold one in my hand.
Anyway, nice that there will be even more choice and I'm wondering if there will be a new TXS 12 as well.

wpz

mino · « **Reply #84 on:** May 08, 2023, 10:00 PM »

Quote from: wpz on May 08, 2023, 09:17 PM

...
I know by now that it is real, but it still looks odd to me because the C-grip is so small.
Looks like I would not be able to fit more than 2 fingers in that grip, but I guess I will only know when I hold one in my hand.
...

wpz

Well, one does not need more than two fingers *inside* the CXS grip.

Thumb, index and middle for grabbing the driver on the sides. Always thought such grip was the whole point of the C-style handle.

igdesignla · « **Reply #85 on:** May 10, 2023, 02:28 AM »

I mean my hands aren’t giant or anything but I can fit my 3 fingers with plenty of room to spare as you can see in the video. I can and did also try it with 4 fingers but I often keep my index finger on the side anyway for better control as the c shape was made for.

Cheese · « **Reply #86 on:** May 10, 2023, 09:13 AM »

Along with the other improvements already mentioned, I noticed they've also incorporated the electronic clutch like the larger models.

I purchased a C 15 specifically for the electronic clutch.

So far there a lot of serious improvements on the CSX 12. With the inclusion of the EC TEC brushless motor, it should also have more power and better battery life than the CSX 10.8.

danny777d · « **Reply #87 on:** May 15, 2023, 03:22 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on May 10, 2023, 09:13 AM

Along with the other improvements already mentioned, I noticed they've also incorporated the electronic clutch like the larger models. I purchased a C 15 specifically for the electronic clutch.

Electronic clutches on brushless motors have so far been inferior to brushed motor clutches, especially for fine work.
They are a lot more convenient but no one (yet) has made them better. A Festool rep had previously mentioned that was why the CXS wasn't replaced earlier.

I'll be curious to see if they solved that issued.

FestitaMakool · « **Reply #88 on:** May 26, 2023, 04:46 PM »

Don’t know if there are many comparison photos, but here’s some of the new CXS 18 vs old CXS 10,8 (12V).
I ordered the CXS 18 primarily to replace my C18 - as I thought it was a bit on the heavy side.
I’m eagerly using my Makita brushless 10,8 (12V) CXT as these fill the gap between CXS 10,8 and the heavier drills. I pleased to say that the new CXS 18 is a delight in comparison to my C18 (now sold) in terms of handling and weight - It feels like a slightly heavier CXS 10,8.
The old CXS 10,8 has a slight edge on slow speed. (None real screwing experience yet between these two) It would be a hard choice between the two new models.. CXS 12 and CXS 18.. That’s my guess. And it depends on where you “come from”.

Anyhow, some photos:

woodferret · « **Reply #89 on:** May 26, 2023, 06:14 PM »

Quote from: FestitaMakool on May 26, 2023, 04:46 PM

I’m eagerly using my Makita brushless 10,8 (12V) CXT as these fill the gap between CXS 10,8 and the heavier drills.

Does the CXS 18 replace your Makita CXTs? I have the later.