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FESTOOL DISCUSSIONS => Festool Announcements => Topic started by: neeleman on February 03, 2020, 07:17 AM

Title: Festool 2020 news
Post by: neeleman on February 03, 2020, 07:17 AM
Here are some of the new products:
- TID 18 already on the FOG
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)
- STM 1800 folding work table
- TKS 80 EBS with SawStop technology
- RAP 230 polishing machine
For more pictures go to: Festool Germany New Products (https://www.festool.de/produkte/neuheiten)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/d93a3151-eb25-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/68e572ee-eb26-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/85fe02d5-ba9f-11e9-80fe-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/829dc679-3389-11ea-8105-005056b31774_1600_1066.jpg)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Maestronus on February 03, 2020, 07:22 AM
New RAP EC 150 and 230, along with an interesting systainer 'SYS3 XXL 237', 337 height also available.

(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/b2b47b39-3387-11ea-8105-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/fbef8e5d-ce42-11e9-8101-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DynaGlide on February 03, 2020, 08:29 AM
@TSO_Products That GRS looks like an exact replica of your company. Did you license it to them? You must have. Great for you and TSO.

Direct link: https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0 (https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0)

(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/773d2255-eb26-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)

I still prefer my original Blue one  ;)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: simonh on February 03, 2020, 08:44 AM
The new TKS 80 doesn't look badly priced. Comparable price to a CS70.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 03, 2020, 08:44 AM
Thanks for the heads-up  [thumbs up]

Just wanted to pull the trigger on a EC 70.

Anybody familiar with the "reliability" of these planned release dates? For he TKS 80, they say (EU) July?

I could wait a few months, but when July becomes September, November, December i'm not that sure...
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 03, 2020, 08:48 AM
The new TKS 80 doesn't look badly priced. Comparable price to a CS70.
Yeah, I assume in Germany will sell for just under 2K. And you go from 70 to 80 cut height.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 09:02 AM
The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DynaGlide on February 03, 2020, 09:07 AM
The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.

The instarail square is similar in function. The Festool version is identical to the grs16 PE down to even having the tapped and through holes for mounting to the mft3 guide rail hinge and the TSO parallel guides.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: NL-mikkla on February 03, 2020, 09:28 AM
Interesting to see what TSO has to say about this?


The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.

The instarail square is similar in function. The Festool version is identical to the grs16 PE down to even having the tapped and through holes for mounting to the mft3 guide rail hinge and the TSO parallel guides.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 03, 2020, 09:33 AM
The German website is currently in maintenance mode (…).  [eek]
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jobsworth on February 03, 2020, 10:26 AM
That work table looks sweet.. I can see a lot of MFT being sold in the classifieds when Its released in the states.

Also for us who have the CMS with the TS module, that fence for the new saw looks interesting. Looks like it might have a micro adj for it.

XXL Systainer got me curious.

All these are great for the small shop.

I can see FT getting into my wallet again.

Are these going to be released to the states in April ?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 10:41 AM
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: SRSemenza on February 03, 2020, 10:43 AM
Looks like we now know why the new roll board has a flat top rather than having the Systainers set  into  it.  [wink]

And the extra long Systainer .........................  I already built my own.   [smile]

          Custom extra long Systainer (https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/systainer-xxl/)


Seth
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 10:48 AM
Looks like we now know why the new roll board has a flat top rather than having the Systainers set  into  it.  [wink]

And the extra long Systainer .........................  I already built my own.   [smile]

          Custom extra long Systainer (https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/systainer-xxl/)

Seth

Wow!
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jobsworth on February 03, 2020, 10:50 AM
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

Please show how us to properly use the MFT , 

Please show us how to tilt the MFT to make it easier to set panels on.

Please show us how to adjust the height of the MFT of us shorter folks.


Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 10:51 AM
Snip.
The tablesaw appears to be too short.


I believe the new table saw is designed to be small for people who already have the means to handle longer stock, i.e. track saw users. Track saws struggle with certain stock sizes and cuts and the new saw fills the gap and with an enhanced safety feature.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 10:58 AM

Snip.
The folding worktable cutting table



I agree. As presented without a top, it isn't a worktable which you can do assembly on among other things. It can't replace an mft either as it has no top and dog holes. Is Festool releasing other accessories to make it a worktable?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: zapdafish on February 03, 2020, 10:58 AM
any of this for the 2020 USA market?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: zapdafish on February 03, 2020, 11:02 AM

how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 11:12 AM
The worktable is priced at $1404... [eek] 

The FS-WA Rail is priced at $158 vs $180 for the TSO product.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DynaGlide on February 03, 2020, 11:24 AM
That worktable is up there with other things they make like their uber expensive ASA 5000 boom arm. Some folks with cash to burn will get it. As it is, it's just a cutting station. The Walko bench seems a lot more versatile and useful. Doesn't appear to be manufactured anymore though.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 11:38 AM
how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol

There are 2 versions of the TKS 80.

TKS 80 EBS for $2122

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TKS 80 EBS Set for $3527

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Title: Festool 2020 news
Post by: rubber_ducky on February 03, 2020, 11:46 AM
There are 2 versions of the TKS 80.

TKS 80 EBS for $2122

TKS 80 EBS Set for $3527

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know availability in the US by chance?

Edit: seems strange that the “base” package doesn’t include a fence. Implies that one would use this for cross-cutting only



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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Alex on February 03, 2020, 11:49 AM
- The table saw is not too short. It is supposed to be a portable solution, not a steady shop saw. With the extensions it is one of the biggest portable saws on the market.

- That working cutting table is not going to be a big seller, I can see that right now. No one is going to sell his MFT for this ... thing.

- I like the extra wide systainer, I was really annoyed with the limited width of their current systainers. I already got a few tools in mind for that one.

how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol

Erika is still at least 50% more expensive. As for functionality, the TKS 80 has SawStop technology to save your fingers, a very valuable safety feature. The Erika has not. But the Erika is a pull saw, and that is not only pretty safe, it is also a very handy feature. What I also expect with the TKS 80, knowing Festool saws like my CS70 and TS55, is that they will start to struggle once you approach their max cutting depth, and the Erika will not. 

seems strange that the “base” package doesn’t include a fence. Implies that one would use this for cross-cutting only

It does include a fence, that thing with the semi-circle.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 12:04 PM
Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: rubber_ducky on February 03, 2020, 12:09 PM
...
It does include a fence, that thing with the semi-circle.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200203/ed6e279e0ca7bed768e401b9171b2ee2.jpg)

Seems to me that the highlighted bit is the fence. The part with the semicircle looks like a miter gauge to me



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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: GarryMartin on February 03, 2020, 12:19 PM
Seems to me that the highlighted bit is the fence. The part with the semicircle looks like a miter gauge to me

They're both fences, but the "semicircle" one is multi-functional. From a CS 50, but you get the idea...

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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Alex on February 03, 2020, 12:28 PM
Yeah, what he said.

No need to tell me what it is, I'm one of the few here who actually owns a saw from this family. In practice, I use the miter gauge fencey-thingy 99% of the time and that other fence is just gathering dust because it sort of sucks.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: GarryMartin on February 03, 2020, 12:35 PM
In practice, I use the miter gauge fencey-thingy 99% of the time and that other fence is just gathering dust because it sort of sucks.

Love that! "Miter gauge fencey-thingy" is so much closer to the vocabulary I'd use than "angle stop" will ever be!  [wink] [big grin]

FWIW, I'm in complete agreement that "that other fence" sucks. Complete PITA to ever get it locked square.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: mrB on February 03, 2020, 12:45 PM
Quite liked the table, till I saw the price.
Might buy one of those big systainers to put wheels on and be a bigger cart option. Looks a bit suspect on the regular cart :)

Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news = New products video’s on YT
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 03, 2020, 01:01 PM
New promo video’s for all of the new products have been posted on the various Festool YouTube channels.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jobsworth on February 03, 2020, 01:38 PM
Yah the miter fence is what I use now and its dead nuts on. the other fence is sitting in the shop somewhere collecting dust.

Yah the miter fence is what I use now and its dead nuts on. the other fence is sitting in the shop somewhere collecting dust

As far as the cutting table, I have 3 MFTs 4 if you count my Kapex MFT. I use 1 MFT with the extension for cutting sheets of ply.

The other 2 I set my kapex extensions on, mainly due to space limitations.

The cutting table being collapsable would be useful and free up room in the shop.

Ill see how it goes with the new shop Im going to have built.

 Its going to give me a lot more room and Im going to expand it and make a outdoor work area over time.

Then I can have 1 MFT just set premantently up for cross cutting.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: TSO_Products on February 03, 2020, 01:41 PM
Here are some of the new products:
- TID 18 already on the FOG
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)
- STM 1800 folding work table
- TKS 80 EBS with SawStop technology
- RAP 230 polishing machine
For more pictures go to: Festool Germany New Products (https://www.festool.de/produkte/neuheiten)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/d93a3151-eb25-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/68e572ee-eb26-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/85fe02d5-ba9f-11e9-80fe-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)
(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/829dc679-3389-11ea-8105-005056b31774_1600_1066.jpg)

YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 01:50 PM
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

Please show how us to properly use the MFT , 

Please show us how to tilt the MFT to make it easier to set panels on.

Please show us how to adjust the height of the MFT of us shorter folks.

There are lots of videos on using the MFT.
It’s size does limit it’s use to panels small enough that you can pick up and place on the worktable.
The MFT-3 is taller than the previous MFT generation to accommodate taller folks.
Maybe you can swap?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Tom Gensmer on February 03, 2020, 02:00 PM
For MFT height, I cut down the legs so the table height is 885mm to serve as out feed (and not interrupt work flow) for my shop tools with a 890mm working height.

In other words, if the MFT height is too tall for you, just cut the legs down. Or, mount the MFT on a height-adjustable table so you can dial the height in as-needed.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: wheely on February 03, 2020, 02:04 PM
Here are some of the new products:
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)

(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/d93a3151-eb25-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)

YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0 (https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0)

Interesting, that seems like a good move for you at TSO.
Will the Festool version be fully compatible with your accessories ?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 02:06 PM
Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.

The proportions of the Erika are nearly ideal, imo. I only need a tablesaw for repetitive narrow ripping and beveling so it does not need to be wide although the option to add a side table is welcome.

The new Festool tablesaw is wider so it appears shorter than it is but I’d prefer more space in front of the blade to get stock well oriented before entering the blade.

I like a long straight fence. With such (the longer the better) you can straighten rough stock in a few passes without involving other machines. No excuse for a fence that can’t be easily locked parallel to the blade. I’m spoiled by my Paralok fence but even my old (temporary replacement after a fire) Ryobi BT 3000 fence worked as it should and also locked at the rear. It can be done.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: RKA on February 03, 2020, 02:11 PM
Wow, the availability of the guide rail square from Festool was something I didn't expect.  Congrats to TSO and well done Festool!  It's probably my most used 3rd party accessory for my Festools.  Making it available across the globe for all users is terrific!  And the addition of the threaded holes suggests more good things to come!
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DynaGlide on February 03, 2020, 04:06 PM
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsXDm0-i_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsXDm0-i_c)

Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 04:30 PM
Okay, that’s very handy.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Doug S on February 03, 2020, 04:41 PM
Liking how you load the sheets on to table, got me thinking I can make something similar for my workshop, also liking the price of the Festool version of TSO square in the UK  [big grin]

Is it me or does the guy cutting the sheet on the table look really awkward with the TS55, I would have my hands the other way round?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Svar on February 03, 2020, 05:04 PM
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: mrB on February 03, 2020, 06:20 PM
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
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Lol, don't ask for much do you :)

The one you posted doesn't look like it helps you off the ground with the sheet, also doesn't fold down or look like it would handle as massive a sheet as the guy in the video. I think it's pretty cool actually. But I don't see it being useful enough to me personally that I would pay that price.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: nvalinski on February 03, 2020, 08:01 PM
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsXDm0-i_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsXDm0-i_c)

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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 08:04 PM
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.

Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.

Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.

The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]

Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Svar on February 03, 2020, 08:08 PM
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 08:15 PM
Unfortunately, the video does not show the whole loop from start to finish, hence I couldn't tell how practical the tilting function is for a large sheet. Are the front castors locked when the titling is done?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 08:40 PM
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?
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Whoops, now we've just moved into Mafell or Martin/Barth pricing territory.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jimbo51 on February 03, 2020, 08:43 PM
TKS weighs 105#.

I am getting so old and broken down that this no longer qualifies as a portable saw for me. A number of us did predict that the Saw Stop technology would result in a heavy saw for its size.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 03, 2020, 08:52 PM
That table looks pretty nice, I've pondered similar things, I think they took a lot of various ideas out there and put them together, doesn't look too bad.  I'm not sure how well that would work on a slightly un-even floor.  But for sure it would help when you are by yourself.  1200x1200 Baltic Birch doesn't exactly go up on saw horses easily.

That said, they lost me at the cost. That would be very hard to go with.  I think someone probably could put something together that functions similar for much less. But just like an MFT/3,  if you get something that really gets close, it will cost you more than just buying the real thing.  But with this, I'm thinking there is a good bit of room to make something very nice before hitting this price.  Still, if you are going to build a lot of cabinets out of heavy materials by yourself, this could be worth it.

The double long systainer, now that is nice.  It does get you about 130mm more across the corners compared to a MAXI.   This could be rather helpful for storing various extensions and rails from tools.  Parallel guides are 690 long, This should have an internal width around 750mm, so one of these could be perfect for parallel guides. Too bad the heights don't work out with the systainer 2's, good usage of them is bit dependent on having systainer stacks of same height unless this on bottom. Still, it's a format that will be nice.  I hope they aren't a freak case, much like the MAXI, but more of something Tanos will have a full family of. While not exactly following Euronorm footprint in a standard way, it does fit in. Makes more sense then the MIDI. 
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: rubber_ducky on February 03, 2020, 08:53 PM
TKS weighs 105#.

I am getting so old and broken down that this no longer qualifies as a portable saw for me. A number of us did predict that the Saw Stop technology would result in a heavy saw for its size.

Seems that the potential to save a digit comes at the cost of a broken back!


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Mike Goetzke on February 03, 2020, 08:54 PM
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:



Now doesn’t that sacrificial table top remind you of the Eurekazone Smart-Table?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 03, 2020, 09:06 PM
Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.

Erika is ~76lbs.  The new version they include the accessories in the weight (the fence), but the base saw (what you would carry) is still 34.5kg.  Not sure what the core weight of the TKS is.  In the end it's the weight of the thing you have to carry up the stairs or load in a car that matters.  Still not light.  But I noticed this a while back when TT updated their website, had to do some digging to figure out how what looks like almost non-changes added weight, and the answer was it didn't.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 03, 2020, 09:16 PM
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?

The make or break point will all come down to cost and delivery time for the ping-pong table top (with motorized pop up net of course).
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 03, 2020, 09:54 PM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Gwerner on February 03, 2020, 10:30 PM


YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans

Hans, is it possible to purchase the upgraded latch separately so I can install it on my existing GRS-16?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jjowen on February 03, 2020, 10:46 PM
The TKS 80 looks good. I just need to convert the Euros to Aussie dollars (and add 30%) and wait the best part of a year for it to become available here.

I have a complete CS 50 Trimming Saw setup which I enjoy using in conjunction with the TS55 and Kapex 120. I am guessing that the side and sliding extension tables and rip fence are not going to be compatible. (anyone know if they might be?)

But is the extra 30mm, and the saw stop technology, enough justification to swap it out? My father-in-law has lost a couple of cm off two fingers using a (non-Festool) bench saw, so maybe I can justify it. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Lincoln on February 03, 2020, 11:13 PM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.

I'm not in Europe, but down here in Aus we have 3600 x 1800 sheets (12ft x 6ft) readily available. Really only practical for BIG set ups though, with mechanical lifters etc.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: grobkuschelig on February 04, 2020, 12:48 AM
There are a lot of sheet goods available in large sizes like 5200x2070mm (rough inches: 204.7 x 81.5)

Most lumber places will not charge you for a „transportation cut“ down the middle.
But if you want to keep maximum flexibility for your project, you may end up with huge sheets...
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: simonh on February 04, 2020, 02:56 AM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.

Sheets of Egger furniture board (MFC / MFMDF) are pretty much standard at 2800 x 2070 from any commercial supplier. Likewise MDF is common at 2440x1220 (standard 8x4) but also bigger sheets at 3050 x 1220 or 1525. So the sizing of the cart should be good for everything.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: yetihunter on February 04, 2020, 03:13 AM
They had really better bring that table saw stateside.  [big grin]
Erika is nice but too rich for most people’s blood. The jobsite Sawstop is about $1500.
It wouldn’t take much convincing to pay up to the Festool. 

Speaking of price, I’m disappointed with the impact.  I thought they were planning to be more competitive there?  Nonetheless, I’m looking forward to trying it out.  With an impact back in the ranks, Festool 18v lineup does cover about most of my cordless needs (no recip saw).  Insert a Godfather quote about dragging me back in. [big grin]

Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: GarryMartin on February 04, 2020, 03:50 AM
Unfortunately, the video does not show the whole loop from start to finish, hence I couldn't tell how practical the tilting function is for a large sheet. Are the front castors locked when the titling is done?

Yes they are.

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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 04, 2020, 05:49 AM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft? 

Yep, a lot of sheet material is available in 3050 x 2120, so that size makes sense.

EDIT: Oops, just noticed this has been answered. Sorry.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: TSO_Products on February 04, 2020, 07:44 AM
Here are some of the new products:
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)

(https://festoolcdn.azureedge.net/productmedia/Images/jpg_large/d93a3151-eb25-11e9-8102-005056b31774_800_533.jpg)

YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0 (https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0)

Interesting, that seems like a good move for you at TSO.
Will the Festool version be fully compatible with your accessories ?

@wheely - the Festool version is completely interchangeable with our TSO branded GRS-16 PE guide rail square and functions seamlessly with our accessories.

Hans
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: TSO_Products on February 04, 2020, 07:58 AM
Wow, the availability of the guide rail square from Festool was something I didn't expect.  Congrats to TSO and well done Festool!  It's probably my most used 3rd party accessory for my Festools.  Making it available across the globe for all users is terrific!  And the addition of the threaded holes suggests more good things to come!

@RKA - great team effort by Festool GmbH working with us to make it happen!

The tapped accessory holes have been a standard feature for quite some time - and now used with our Parallel Guide System. They can easily be added to earlier tools with the help of our $ 6.00 GRS-16 Series Upgrade Drill Fixture (SKU 61-354 A) for accurate hole placement.
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-series-upgrade-drill-fixture/

Hans
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 04, 2020, 09:56 AM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft? 

Yep, a lot of sheet material is available in 3050 x 2120, so that size makes sense.

EDIT: Oops, just noticed this has been answered. Sorry.

Thanks all, I've seen giant stuff being shown at the factories that make it, like IKEA's PB factory, but it goes to another giant factory.   I get how it can be useful, but in a large scale plant.  Taking those to job sites or for small one-ish person outfits is a bit hard to see. Of course it could be they are targeting making that very issue more manageable.   Still, a smaller size table  one would be nice if the size is driving cost/weight.

Love to see someone try to bring a sheet of 3050x2120 home from the lumber yard on the roof of their Golf.  [big grin]
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Cheese on February 04, 2020, 09:57 AM
And the addition of the threaded holes suggests more good things to come!

@RKA - great team effort by Festool GmbH working with us to make it happen!

The tapped accessory holes have been a standard feature for quite some time - and now used with our Parallel Guide System. They can easily be added to earlier tools with the help of our $ 6.00 GRS-16 Series Upgrade Drill Fixture (SKU 61-354 A) for accurate hole placement.
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-series-upgrade-drill-fixture/

Hans

Raj,
One of my GRS squares was a very early model that didn't have holes. I purchased the drill fixture Hans mentioned and easily/quickly added the tapped holes for use with the TPG parallel guide system.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: FestitaMakool on February 04, 2020, 11:12 AM
The TKS 80 looks good. I just need to convert the Euros to Aussie dollars (and add 30%) and wait the best part of a year for it to become available here.

I have a complete CS 50 Trimming Saw setup which I enjoy using in conjunction with the TS55 and Kapex 120. I am guessing that the side and sliding extension tables and rip fence are not going to be compatible. (anyone know if they might be?)

But is the extra 30mm, and the saw stop technology, enough justification to swap it out? My father-in-law has lost a couple of cm off two fingers using a (non-Festool) bench saw, so maybe I can justify it. Wish me luck.

I’d guess that the sliding fence is the exactly the same that comes with the CS 50 SET and the CMS-VL/CMS-GE. If Festool haven’t gone to the woods I think that the new mitre fence is backwards compatible too. The “V”” profile seems to continue with the TKS 80. It would be very strange if they had gone a new route.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 04, 2020, 12:19 PM
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft? 

Yep, a lot of sheet material is available in 3050 x 2120, so that size makes sense.

EDIT: Oops, just noticed this has been answered. Sorry.

Thanks all, I've seen giant stuff being shown at the factories that make it, like IKEA's PB factory, but it goes to another giant factory.   I get how it can be useful, but in a large scale plant.  Taking those to job sites or for small one-ish person outfits is a bit hard to see. Of course it could be they are targeting making that very issue more manageable.   Still, a smaller size table  one would be nice if the size is driving cost/weight.

Love to see someone try to bring a sheet of 3050x2120 home from the lumber yard on the roof of their Golf.  [big grin]

I AM having an OFF day. Made a mistake. The sheet goods size I meant to ‘say’ is 3050 x 1220 mm, which is just 2 feet taller than the ‘regular’ size (as in 10 by 4 and 8 by 4).
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: msnelling on February 05, 2020, 09:53 AM
Really like the square format of the STM1800 ... anyone know the base footprint to the wheels? Looks something like a half sheet 1200mm X 1200mm
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: schneems on February 05, 2020, 11:24 AM
It is a curious decision to not put miter slots in the table saw. I think that would limit compatibility with off-the-shelf table-saw attachments.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ForumMFG on February 05, 2020, 04:07 PM
Very interested in the STM 1800 but i just don’t understand the pricing of it.  At all. 

Will be interesting to see the price of the guide rail copy and see if they double the price just because the festool name is on it. 


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 05, 2020, 09:34 PM
It is a curious decision to not put miter slots in the table saw. I think that would limit compatibility with off-the-shelf table-saw attachments.

The Festool and Mafell push-pull saws don't have miter slots.  These saws are designed for sliding tables you can put on the side if you need more travel than the pull function. Also not sure what "off the shelf" parts there would be, there is no standard for a miter slot design.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: xedos on February 05, 2020, 09:44 PM
It is a curious decision to not put miter slots in the table saw. I think that would limit compatibility with off-the-shelf table-saw attachments.

That's partly the idea.

Festool will sell you all the attachments you need.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: yetihunter on February 06, 2020, 12:53 AM
It is a curious decision to not put miter slots in the table saw. I think that would limit compatibility with off-the-shelf table-saw attachments.

The Festool and Mafell push-pull saws don't have miter slots.  These saws are designed for sliding tables you can put on the side if you need more travel than the pull function. Also not sure what "off the shelf" parts there would be, there is no standard for a miter slot design.

3/4” x 3/8” and then whatever depth by 5/8” for home store jobsite saws.

Meanwhile, some of my fellow ‘muricans aren’t picking up on the fact that the rip fence is also a crosscut miter gauge fence.  You wouldn’t  need to buy an Incra because it already comes with the european equivalent.   For featherboards and diy crosscut sleds and whatnot...we can find a way.

Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: DeformedTree on February 06, 2020, 10:45 AM
It is a curious decision to not put miter slots in the table saw. I think that would limit compatibility with off-the-shelf table-saw attachments.

The Festool and Mafell push-pull saws don't have miter slots.  These saws are designed for sliding tables you can put on the side if you need more travel than the pull function. Also not sure what "off the shelf" parts there would be, there is no standard for a miter slot design.

3/4” x 3/8” and then whatever depth by 5/8” for home store jobsite saws.

Meanwhile, some of my fellow ‘muricans aren’t picking up on the fact that the rip fence is also a crosscut miter gauge fence.  You wouldn’t  need to buy an Incra because it already comes with the european equivalent.   For featherboards and diy crosscut sleds and whatnot...we can find a way.

Some saws may have a miter slot of those dimensions, all do not. There is no Standard, just a size that a lot of saws have used.  Also why would Festool make a slot in their tool to an inch based US design. There very well may be a different common dimension used in the rest of the world, or Europe, I can see folks complaining if the saw showed up with a metric based slot, or a dovetail shaped one or a inverted T shaped slot.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: schneems on February 09, 2020, 05:52 PM
I guess it’s less about the size and more the presence of the slots. Various jigs and what not assume you’ve got the slots. While I can’t think of a jig I would want that needs them that isn’t covered by one of the nice Festool attachments, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Intex on February 12, 2020, 04:15 PM
I have heard that these may NOT be available in North America? Any word on this ? 
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Peter Halle on February 12, 2020, 04:19 PM
If you are asking about the Festool tables, it has been written here that there are no immediate plans to bring these to market in North America.

Peter
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: neeleman on February 12, 2020, 04:22 PM
Got two of the new Systainer³ M Organizers with 22 containers.
They match perfectly with regular T-Loc Systainers (of course!).
Pitty there is no handle on top of the lid. Thus they always have to be under a T-Loc.
And in my opinion the Festool logo is upside down?
Though a very nice build systainer.
(https://i.ibb.co/7ybgCCM/D52-EE4-A9-D604-4962-A06-E-A47-DA362-F62-C-002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7ybgCCM)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ForumMFG on February 12, 2020, 04:41 PM
Got two of the new Systainer³ M Organizers with 22 containers.
They match perfectly with regular T-Loc Systainers (of course!).
Pitty there is no handle on top of the lid. Thus they always have to be under a T-Loc.
And in my opinion the Festool logo is upside down?
Though a very nice build systainer.
(https://i.ibb.co/7ybgCCM/D52-EE4-A9-D604-4962-A06-E-A47-DA362-F62-C-002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7ybgCCM)

How did you get those already? Are you from Europe? Lucky!


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ForumMFG on February 12, 2020, 04:44 PM
Depends on how you look at it, the only time its not upside down is when its stored vertically or you’re carrying it by the handle.  At that point, the only people who can see it is everyone else but you. Not sure that matters to me


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: FestitaMakool on February 12, 2020, 06:12 PM
Got two of the new Systainer³ M Organizers with 22 containers.
They match perfectly with regular T-Loc Systainers (of course!).
Pitty there is no handle on top of the lid. Thus they always have to be under a T-Loc.
And in my opinion the Festool logo is upside down?
Though a very nice build systainer.
(https://i.ibb.co/7ybgCCM/D52-EE4-A9-D604-4962-A06-E-A47-DA362-F62-C-002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7ybgCCM)

How did you get those already? Are you from Europe? Lucky!


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They have started to show up in Europe, yes. I got hold of the last M size they had at a large dealer. It was one of the empty ones, so I bought all sizes of the inserts. As it happens, it was wiser as I can more easily adopt to my needs. The systainer as Neeleman says, is very well made, me to misses the handle on top... and of course, the logo is to show off when carrying and from the back when the lid is open  [big grin] I have really missed a well made compact system for screws, so when I saw this I knew that I would buy one (or two). It was well worth the wait.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 13, 2020, 06:02 AM
I have really missed a well made compact system for screws, so when I saw this I knew that I would buy one (or two). It was well worth the wait.

May I suggest you look into the Auer product line. Very well made and a lot cheaper than the FS’s.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jimbo51 on February 13, 2020, 09:28 AM
"Pitty there is no handle on top of the lid. Thus they always have to be under a T-Loc."

To me this would be a major downside. When carrying systainers, I like to stack them as much as possible to make fewer trips. I wonder how long Tanos will continue to make T-locs.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: xedos on February 13, 2020, 10:43 AM
I have really missed a well made compact system for screws, so when I saw this I knew that I would buy one (or two). It was well worth the wait.

May I suggest you look into the Auer product line. Very well made and a lot cheaper than the FS’s.


Did the sortainers not meet your needs for this in the past ?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 13, 2020, 10:55 AM
I have really missed a well made compact system for screws, so when I saw this I knew that I would buy one (or two). It was well worth the wait.

May I suggest you look into the Auer product line. Very well made and a lot cheaper than the FS’s.


Did the sortainers not meet your needs for this in the past ?

The new Festool sortainers have transparent lids (which is new to the range) and use a modular system of boxes and a kind of pattern on the bottom to hold them in place. Which is exactly what the Auer boxes do, which makes this a kind of Samsung/Apple thing. Festool (that is Tanos) probably saw what Auer (and others?) did & have adapted it to their system.
Systainers etc. comply to a European (maybe worldwide) system of sizes (Euronorm, based on what shipping pallets measure), to be more precise they fit into a 300*400 mm footprint (with packaging exactly); and other products use that same metric. So, the Auer boxes have the same footprint.

Besides, Auer have been on the market with their system for quite a while now. And when I wanted to organize my shop they had the solution I needed. : )

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     Auer topic is linked below. 

Seth
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Auer Topic (https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/re-festool-2020-news/msg600100/#msg600100)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Intex on February 13, 2020, 11:22 AM
So that means that AGAIN we have to resort to purchasing these outside the US and bringing them in ourselves?
Have these people not learned anything from the Grey Market imports of Cars, Cameras, Electronics... ???



If you are asking about the Festool tables, it has been written here that there are no immediate plans to bring these to market in North America.

Peter
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 14, 2020, 04:30 AM
@festool ww

Any TKS SET video in the works? Curious about the sliding table and Fence. Seems slightly different then the CS70...


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ben_r_ on February 14, 2020, 12:34 PM
Nice! Ill probably import the Angle stop FS-WA/90° when it becomes available and I love the worktable idea but they are nuts with their pricing, so Ill definitely be passing on that!
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: SRSemenza on February 15, 2020, 12:07 AM
The Auer topic is here ----------------->   Auer (https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/re-festool-2020-news/)


Seth
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: jronman on February 19, 2020, 06:19 PM
There are some new sand paper kits for the rotex 90 and the 125 mm sanders that come in the systainer boxes with the correct insert. Numbers Festool 576676 and Festool 576677

If I'm not mistaken the new table saw with sawstop technology is coming to North America eventually. Maybe Festool USA or Festool Canada confirmed it. This would have been a long time ago I thought I saw this.

Speaking of TID 18 it will come in one basic, 2 plus, and 2 set kits. The basic is impact without batteries and chargers. The plus kits you get the optgion between 2x 3.1 batteries or 2x 4.0 batteries. The first set kit includes a pdc, 4.0 slim battery, 5.2 battery. Another with a t18 with 2x 3.1 slim batteries. The interesting thing is the pdc and t18 kits do not include centrotec chucks
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Distinctive Interiors on February 20, 2020, 05:05 AM
I got to have a play with the new TID 18 yesterday and had a look at the new foldable sheet handling table.

The TID kit was the one with the compact 3.1 ah batteries and the T18, all in the same Systainer. As you said, there is not Centrotec option for the impact driver, but the Festool Rep did have a specific Festool impact bit holder in the systainer case. .....A nice short impact compatable bit holder.

The folding support table was smaller when all folded up than I had anticipated it would be. It looked well thought out and nice quality.
We didnt have the time to set it up and try it unfortunately, as I was busy and the Rep had another appointment to get to.....

Overall,  first impressions of both items,..... Really Good!
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: heidtwd on February 26, 2020, 04:04 PM
Nice! Ill probably import the Angle stop FS-WA/90° when it becomes available and I love the worktable idea but they are nuts with their pricing, so Ill definitely be passing on that!
It's already here!
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-pe-parallel-edge-guide-rail-square/
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 26, 2020, 04:45 PM
Nice! Ill probably import the Angle stop FS-WA/90° when it becomes available and I love the worktable idea but they are nuts with their pricing, so Ill definitely be passing on that!
It's already here!
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-pe-parallel-edge-guide-rail-square/
Almost 2x the price (incl shipping). No thanks :-)


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: ben_r_ on February 26, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nice! Ill probably import the Angle stop FS-WA/90° when it becomes available and I love the worktable idea but they are nuts with their pricing, so Ill definitely be passing on that!
It's already here!
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-pe-parallel-edge-guide-rail-square/
Nah, rather have the Festool "themed" one and it'll be cheaper to import it than buying from TSO.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: vkumar on February 27, 2020, 01:38 AM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 27, 2020, 04:20 AM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: elfick on February 27, 2020, 10:01 AM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.
Has Festool posted the price yet? I did a cursory search but couldn’t find one.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 27, 2020, 10:10 AM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.
Has Festool posted the price yet? I did a cursory search but couldn’t find one.
FS WA 90 (https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90°)

In Europe it's listed. List price is 160 EUR. I ordered it for ~ EUR 107.

Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: mrB on February 27, 2020, 04:13 PM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.
Has Festool posted the price yet? I did a cursory search but couldn’t find one.
FS WA 90 (https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90°)

In Europe it's listed. List price is 160 EUR. I ordered it for ~ EUR 107.

€107? How?
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: vkumar on February 27, 2020, 04:44 PM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.

You just have to cultivate your forum friends to ship it to you from the US!!!!
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 27, 2020, 05:00 PM
Great if you can get it without paying the VAT. Other wise you will pay quite a bit more.
And vice versa (TSO -> overseas). 80 USD for international shipping? Then import. Brings this to an easy 300 USD jig.  Right.  Rather have the FT  version for ~ 120 USD.
Has Festool posted the price yet? I did a cursory search but couldn’t find one.
FS WA 90 (https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90°)

In Europe it's listed. List price is 160 EUR. I ordered it for ~ EUR 107.

€107? How?
If your quick, EUR 101. They dropped it [big grin]

FS WA 90 (https://www.rubart.de/index.php?product=10157686)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on February 28, 2020, 07:42 AM
@threesixright  I love Rubart! They are my main source of FS’s. Only downside is that it sometimes takes a bit long for stuff to arrive.
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Jimdude on February 28, 2020, 08:00 AM
If your quick, EUR 101. They dropped it [big grin]

FS WA 90 (https://www.rubart.de/index.php?product=10157686)
For the avoidance of doubt: these Festool-branded TSO rail-squares also work on Makita rails, right?

(If you ignore the clashing colors, which is the hard part  :) )
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 28, 2020, 08:37 AM
If your quick, EUR 101. They dropped it [big grin]

FS WA 90 (https://www.rubart.de/index.php?product=10157686)
For the avoidance of doubt: these Festool-branded TSO rail-squares also work on Makita rails, right?

(If you ignore the clashing colors, which is the hard part  :) )
Sorry m8. Not a clue. I don’t have makita ;-)

i like the green :-D


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Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: TSO_Products on February 28, 2020, 08:47 AM
If your quick, EUR 101. They dropped it [big grin]

FS WA 90 (https://www.rubart.de/index.php?product=10157686)
For the avoidance of doubt: these Festool-branded TSO rail-squares also work on Makita rails, right?

(If you ignore the clashing colors, which is the hard part  :) )

@Jimdude - yes these guid rail squares fit MAKITA guide rails.
Hans
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: threesixright on February 28, 2020, 09:46 AM
@threesixright  I love Rubart! They are my main source of FS’s. Only downside is that it sometimes takes a bit long for stuff to arrive.
Yeha, I agree. But for the non-pro's (like me) its worth the wait imo. Saved me quite a bit of "dinero"  [tongue].

Also great they register your new tools with FT, even I'm in a different country. I nicely receive a letter from FT that the tools are registered. [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Jimdude on March 02, 2020, 07:50 AM
@Jimdude - yes these guid rail squares fit MAKITA guide rails.
Hans
Ordered!
(OK, technically, it's pre-ordered)
Title: Re: Festool 2020 news
Post by: Steve Jaynes on March 26, 2020, 09:18 PM
Looks like we now know why the new roll board has a flat top rather than having the Systainers set  into  it.  [wink]

And the extra long Systainer .........................  I already built my own.   [smile]

          Custom extra long Systainer (https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/systainer-xxl/)


Seth
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

Here’s how all the parts make a system. https://www.kelvinpowertools.com/img/shp/FES-TKS80-SET1.jpg