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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Festool 2020 news = New products video’s on YT
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2020, 01:01 PM »
New promo video’s for all of the new products have been posted on the various Festool YouTube channels.
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2020, 01:38 PM »
Yah the miter fence is what I use now and its dead nuts on. the other fence is sitting in the shop somewhere collecting dust.

Yah the miter fence is what I use now and its dead nuts on. the other fence is sitting in the shop somewhere collecting dust

As far as the cutting table, I have 3 MFTs 4 if you count my Kapex MFT. I use 1 MFT with the extension for cutting sheets of ply.

The other 2 I set my kapex extensions on, mainly due to space limitations.

The cutting table being collapsable would be useful and free up room in the shop.

Ill see how it goes with the new shop Im going to have built.

 Its going to give me a lot more room and Im going to expand it and make a outdoor work area over time.

Then I can have 1 MFT just set premantently up for cross cutting.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 01:47 PM by jobsworth »

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2020, 01:41 PM »
Here are some of the new products:
- TID 18 already on the FOG
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)
- STM 1800 folding work table
- TKS 80 EBS with SawStop technology
- RAP 230 polishing machine
For more pictures go to: Festool Germany New Products





YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2020, 01:50 PM »
Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding worktable cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

Please show how us to properly use the MFT , 

Please show us how to tilt the MFT to make it easier to set panels on.

Please show us how to adjust the height of the MFT of us shorter folks.

There are lots of videos on using the MFT.
It’s size does limit it’s use to panels small enough that you can pick up and place on the worktable.
The MFT-3 is taller than the previous MFT generation to accommodate taller folks.
Maybe you can swap?

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2020, 02:00 PM »
For MFT height, I cut down the legs so the table height is 885mm to serve as out feed (and not interrupt work flow) for my shop tools with a 890mm working height.

In other words, if the MFT height is too tall for you, just cut the legs down. Or, mount the MFT on a height-adjustable table so you can dial the height in as-needed.
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Offline wheely

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2020, 02:04 PM »
Here are some of the new products:
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)



YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0

Interesting, that seems like a good move for you at TSO.
Will the Festool version be fully compatible with your accessories ?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2020, 02:06 PM »
Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.

The proportions of the Erika are nearly ideal, imo. I only need a tablesaw for repetitive narrow ripping and beveling so it does not need to be wide although the option to add a side table is welcome.

The new Festool tablesaw is wider so it appears shorter than it is but I’d prefer more space in front of the blade to get stock well oriented before entering the blade.

I like a long straight fence. With such (the longer the better) you can straighten rough stock in a few passes without involving other machines. No excuse for a fence that can’t be easily locked parallel to the blade. I’m spoiled by my Paralok fence but even my old (temporary replacement after a fire) Ryobi BT 3000 fence worked as it should and also locked at the rear. It can be done.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 02:09 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline RKA

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2020, 02:11 PM »
Wow, the availability of the guide rail square from Festool was something I didn't expect.  Congrats to TSO and well done Festool!  It's probably my most used 3rd party accessory for my Festools.  Making it available across the globe for all users is terrific!  And the addition of the threaded holes suggests more good things to come!
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2020, 04:06 PM »
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:



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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2020, 04:30 PM »
Okay, that’s very handy.

Offline Doug S

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2020, 04:41 PM »
Liking how you load the sheets on to table, got me thinking I can make something similar for my workshop, also liking the price of the Festool version of TSO square in the UK  [big grin]

Is it me or does the guy cutting the sheet on the table look really awkward with the TS55, I would have my hands the other way round?

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2020, 05:04 PM »
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
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Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2020, 06:20 PM »
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
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Lol, don't ask for much do you :)

The one you posted doesn't look like it helps you off the ground with the sheet, also doesn't fold down or look like it would handle as massive a sheet as the guy in the video. I think it's pretty cool actually. But I don't see it being useful enough to me personally that I would pay that price.
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Offline nvalinski

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2020, 08:01 PM »
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:



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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2020, 08:04 PM »
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.

Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.

Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.

The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]


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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2020, 08:08 PM »
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2020, 08:15 PM »
Unfortunately, the video does not show the whole loop from start to finish, hence I couldn't tell how practical the tilting function is for a large sheet. Are the front castors locked when the titling is done?

Online Cheese

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2020, 08:40 PM »
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?
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Whoops, now we've just moved into Mafell or Martin/Barth pricing territory.

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2020, 08:43 PM »
TKS weighs 105#.

I am getting so old and broken down that this no longer qualifies as a portable saw for me. A number of us did predict that the Saw Stop technology would result in a heavy saw for its size.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2020, 08:52 PM »
That table looks pretty nice, I've pondered similar things, I think they took a lot of various ideas out there and put them together, doesn't look too bad.  I'm not sure how well that would work on a slightly un-even floor.  But for sure it would help when you are by yourself.  1200x1200 Baltic Birch doesn't exactly go up on saw horses easily.

That said, they lost me at the cost. That would be very hard to go with.  I think someone probably could put something together that functions similar for much less. But just like an MFT/3,  if you get something that really gets close, it will cost you more than just buying the real thing.  But with this, I'm thinking there is a good bit of room to make something very nice before hitting this price.  Still, if you are going to build a lot of cabinets out of heavy materials by yourself, this could be worth it.

The double long systainer, now that is nice.  It does get you about 130mm more across the corners compared to a MAXI.   This could be rather helpful for storing various extensions and rails from tools.  Parallel guides are 690 long, This should have an internal width around 750mm, so one of these could be perfect for parallel guides. Too bad the heights don't work out with the systainer 2's, good usage of them is bit dependent on having systainer stacks of same height unless this on bottom. Still, it's a format that will be nice.  I hope they aren't a freak case, much like the MAXI, but more of something Tanos will have a full family of. While not exactly following Euronorm footprint in a standard way, it does fit in. Makes more sense then the MIDI. 

Offline rubber_ducky

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2020, 08:53 PM »
TKS weighs 105#.

I am getting so old and broken down that this no longer qualifies as a portable saw for me. A number of us did predict that the Saw Stop technology would result in a heavy saw for its size.

Seems that the potential to save a digit comes at the cost of a broken back!


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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2020, 08:54 PM »
Festool UK posted a video on the worktable today:



Now doesn’t that sacrificial table top remind you of the Eurekazone Smart-Table?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2020, 09:06 PM »
Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.

Erika is ~76lbs.  The new version they include the accessories in the weight (the fence), but the base saw (what you would carry) is still 34.5kg.  Not sure what the core weight of the TKS is.  In the end it's the weight of the thing you have to carry up the stairs or load in a car that matters.  Still not light.  But I noticed this a while back when TT updated their website, had to do some digging to figure out how what looks like almost non-changes added weight, and the answer was it didn't.

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2020, 09:16 PM »
Should have made those arms pivoting and locking so you don't need to tip entire table.
Pivoting arms...that’s an extra $300 thanks.
Pivoting arm locks...that’s an extra $200 thanks.
The STM 1800 is now in the $1900 price range.  [smile]
You are welcome.
Would you like motorized pivoting arms with that?

The make or break point will all come down to cost and delivery time for the ping-pong table top (with motorized pop up net of course).

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2020, 09:54 PM »
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2020, 10:30 PM »


YES, friends, the FS-WA/90 Festool Guide Rail Square for the international market (only) is the result of a licensed collaboration with Festool GmbH. It is produced in volume in Germany based on our engineering documentation and equipped with the TSO Latch we tooled up and began using in the US last year - but of course the international version from Festool has the FESTOOL GREEN handle [smile].

Hans

Hans, is it possible to purchase the upgraded latch separately so I can install it on my existing GRS-16?

Offline jjowen

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2020, 10:46 PM »
The TKS 80 looks good. I just need to convert the Euros to Aussie dollars (and add 30%) and wait the best part of a year for it to become available here.

I have a complete CS 50 Trimming Saw setup which I enjoy using in conjunction with the TS55 and Kapex 120. I am guessing that the side and sliding extension tables and rip fence are not going to be compatible. (anyone know if they might be?)

But is the extra 30mm, and the saw stop technology, enough justification to swap it out? My father-in-law has lost a couple of cm off two fingers using a (non-Festool) bench saw, so maybe I can justify it. Wish me luck.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 11:26 PM by jjowen »
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Offline Lincoln

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2020, 11:13 PM »
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.

I'm not in Europe, but down here in Aus we have 3600 x 1800 sheets (12ft x 6ft) readily available. Really only practical for BIG set ups though, with mechanical lifters etc.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2020, 12:48 AM »
There are a lot of sheet goods available in large sizes like 5200x2070mm (rough inches: 204.7 x 81.5)

Most lumber places will not charge you for a „transportation cut“ down the middle.
But if you want to keep maximum flexibility for your project, you may end up with huge sheets...

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Re: Festool 2020 news
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2020, 02:56 AM »
Question for those in Europe,  is sheet goods 3100 x 2150 a thing?  ~10ft by 7ft?    I get 1500x1500 (5x5 ft BB), and 4x8 ft material, and even 10, 12ft long x ~4ft wide material.  But is there stuff that big, I can't see how that exist, how would it be moved?

I know you have a lot more varied in size material over there unlike N.A.   I can see them making the table to handle stuff 10ft by 5ft. (3000x1500) to cover a lot of base, but this looks a bit overkill.  I think if a bit smaller, and thus lighter/cheaper it could be a bit nicer.

Sheets of Egger furniture board (MFC / MFMDF) are pretty much standard at 2800 x 2070 from any commercial supplier. Likewise MDF is common at 2440x1220 (standard 8x4) but also bigger sheets at 3050 x 1220 or 1525. So the sizing of the cart should be good for everything.
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