Author Topic: Festool 2020 news (Read 11096 times)

neeleman · « **on:** February 03, 2020, 07:17 AM »

Here are some of the new products:
- TID 18 already on the FOG
- FS-WA rail 90 degree angle jig (copy of TSO?)
- STM 1800 folding work table
- TKS 80 EBS with SawStop technology
- RAP 230 polishing machine
For more pictures go to: Festool Germany New Products

Maestronus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2020, 07:22 AM »

New RAP EC 150 and 230, along with an interesting systainer 'SYS3 XXL 237', 337 height also available.

DynaGlide · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2020, 08:29 AM »

@TSO_Products That GRS looks like an exact replica of your company. Did you license it to them? You must have. Great for you and TSO.

Direct link: https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205229---fs-wa90%C2%B0

I still prefer my original Blue one

simonh · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2020, 08:44 AM »

The new TKS 80 doesn't look badly priced. Comparable price to a CS70.

threesixright · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2020, 08:44 AM »

Thanks for the heads-up

Just wanted to pull the trigger on a EC 70.

Anybody familiar with the "reliability" of these planned release dates? For he TKS 80, they say (EU) July?

I could wait a few months, but when July becomes September, November, December i'm not that sure...

threesixright · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2020, 08:48 AM »

Quote from: simonh on February 03, 2020, 08:44 AM

The new TKS 80 doesn't look badly priced. Comparable price to a CS70.

Yeah, I assume in Germany will sell for just under 2K. And you go from 70 to 80 cut height.

ChuckM · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2020, 09:02 AM »

The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.

DynaGlide · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2020, 09:07 AM »

Quote from: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 09:02 AM

The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.

The instarail square is similar in function. The Festool version is identical to the grs16 PE down to even having the tapped and through holes for mounting to the mft3 guide rail hinge and the TSO parallel guides.

NL-mikkla · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2020, 09:28 AM »

Interesting to see what TSO has to say about this?

Quote from: DynaGlide on February 03, 2020, 09:07 AM

Quote from: ChuckM on February 03, 2020, 09:02 AM
The Festool saw with the sawstop technology is indeed priced well.

Someone has already released a similar 90 degree angle jig soon after TSO did.

The instarail square is similar in function. The Festool version is identical to the grs16 PE down to even having the tapped and through holes for mounting to the mft3 guide rail hinge and the TSO parallel guides.

Bert Vanderveen · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2020, 09:33 AM »

The German website is currently in maintenance mode (…).

jobsworth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:26 AM »

That work table looks sweet.. I can see a lot of MFT being sold in the classifieds when Its released in the states.

Also for us who have the CMS with the TS module, that fence for the new saw looks interesting. Looks like it might have a micro adj for it.

XXL Systainer got me curious.

All these are great for the small shop.

I can see FT getting into my wallet again.

Are these going to be released to the states in April ?

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:41 AM »

Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding ~~worktable~~ cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:43 AM »

Looks like we now know why the new roll board has a flat top rather than having the Systainers set into it.

And the extra long Systainer ......................... I already built my own.

Custom extra long Systainer

Seth

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:48 AM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on February 03, 2020, 10:43 AM

Looks like we now know why the new roll board has a flat top rather than having the Systainers set into it.

And the extra long Systainer ......................... I already built my own.

Custom extra long Systainer

Seth

Wow!

jobsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:50 AM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 10:41 AM

Sure hope the rail square is licensed by TSO.

The tablesaw appears to be too short.

The folding ~~worktable~~ cutting table could be handy. Looks like it might not be sufficiently supportive to be a worktable.

If the release of this folding table leads too people selling MFTs then they never learned how to use the MFT.

Please show how us to properly use the MFT ,

Please show us how to tilt the MFT to make it easier to set panels on.

Please show us how to adjust the height of the MFT of us shorter folks.

ChuckM · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:51 AM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 10:41 AM

Snip.
The tablesaw appears to be too short.

I believe the new table saw is designed to be small for people who already have the means to handle longer stock, i.e. track saw users. Track saws struggle with certain stock sizes and cuts and the new saw fills the gap and with an enhanced safety feature.

ChuckM · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:58 AM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on February 03, 2020, 10:41 AM

Snip.
The folding ~~worktable~~ cutting table

I agree. As presented without a top, it isn't a worktable which you can do assembly on among other things. It can't replace an mft either as it has no top and dog holes. Is Festool releasing other accessories to make it a worktable?

zapdafish · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2020, 10:58 AM »

any of this for the 2020 USA market?

zapdafish · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:02 AM »

how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol

Cheese · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:12 AM »

The worktable is priced at $1404...

The FS-WA Rail is priced at $158 vs $180 for the TSO product.

DynaGlide · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:24 AM »

That worktable is up there with other things they make like their uber expensive ASA 5000 boom arm. Some folks with cash to burn will get it. As it is, it's just a cutting station. The Walko bench seems a lot more versatile and useful. Doesn't appear to be manufactured anymore though.

Cheese · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:38 AM »

Quote from: zapdafish on February 03, 2020, 11:02 AM

how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol

There are 2 versions of the TKS 80.

TKS 80 EBS for $2122

TKS 80 EBS Set for $3527

rubber_ducky · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:46 AM »

Quote from: Cheese on February 03, 2020, 11:38 AM

There are 2 versions of the TKS 80.

TKS 80 EBS for $2122

TKS 80 EBS Set for $3527

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know availability in the US by chance?

Edit: seems strange that the “base” package doesn’t include a fence. Implies that one would use this for cross-cutting only

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Alex · « **Reply #23 on:** February 03, 2020, 11:49 AM »

- The table saw is not too short. It is supposed to be a portable solution, not a steady shop saw. With the extensions it is one of the biggest portable saws on the market.

- That ~~working~~ cutting table is not going to be a big seller, I can see that right now. No one is going to sell his MFT for this ... thing.

- I like the extra wide systainer, I was really annoyed with the limited width of their current systainers. I already got a few tools in mind for that one.

Quote from: zapdafish on February 03, 2020, 11:02 AM

how does the TKS 80 EBS compare to the Erika in price and functionality? Had a bad case of sticker shock when I was looking into the Erika, lol

Erika is still at least 50% more expensive. As for functionality, the TKS 80 has SawStop technology to save your fingers, a very valuable safety feature. The Erika has not. But the Erika is a pull saw, and that is not only pretty safe, it is also a very handy feature. What I also expect with the TKS 80, knowing Festool saws like my CS70 and TS55, is that they will start to struggle once you approach their max cutting depth, and the Erika will not.

Quote from: rubber_ducky on February 03, 2020, 11:46 AM

seems strange that the “base” package doesn’t include a fence. Implies that one would use this for cross-cutting only

It does include a fence, that thing with the semi-circle.

Cheese · « **Reply #24 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:04 PM »

Just to add to the information that Alex posted:

20" x 36" table on Erika. 28" x 33" table on TKS 80.

Erika weighs 89#. The TKS weighs 105#.

Erika spins at 2050-4300 rpm. The TKS spins at 1700-3500 rpm. Like Alex noted, cutting thicker materials will probably be easier on the Erika.

rubber_ducky · « **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:09 PM »

Quote from: Alex on February 03, 2020, 11:49 AM

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It does include a fence, that thing with the semi-circle.

Seems to me that the highlighted bit is the fence. The part with the semicircle looks like a miter gauge to me

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GarryMartin · « **Reply #26 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:19 PM »

Quote from: rubber_ducky on February 03, 2020, 12:09 PM

Seems to me that the highlighted bit is the fence. The part with the semicircle looks like a miter gauge to me

They're both fences, but the "semicircle" one is multi-functional. From a CS 50, but you get the idea...

Alex · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:28 PM »

Yeah, what he said.

No need to tell me what it is, I'm one of the few here who actually owns a saw from this family. In practice, I use the miter gauge fencey-thingy 99% of the time and that other fence is just gathering dust because it sort of sucks.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #28 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:35 PM »

Quote from: Alex on February 03, 2020, 12:28 PM

In practice, I use the miter gauge fencey-thingy 99% of the time and that other fence is just gathering dust because it sort of sucks.

Love that! "Miter gauge fencey-thingy" is so much closer to the vocabulary I'd use than "angle stop" will ever be!

FWIW, I'm in complete agreement that "that other fence" sucks. Complete PITA to ever get it locked square.

mrB · « **Reply #29 on:** February 03, 2020, 12:45 PM »

Quite liked the table, till I saw the price.
Might buy one of those big systainers to put wheels on and be a bigger cart option. Looks a bit suspect on the regular cart

Thanks for posting