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Offline marku5

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CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« on: January 27, 2019, 07:58 AM »


right at the begining!

Looks like they removed the pulling Feature..  [unsure]

also: at 2:30 and 3:07 you can See a cordless Version of the vecturo oscilating tool Ive never Seen before.. (in the background)
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Offline Alex

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2019, 10:58 AM »
Been hoping for a long time sawstop would come to Europe, as a musician and a woodworker I need a finger safe way to do my sawing, but I never expected that when it finally came it would be in the form of the saw I already own. Remarkable. 

I hope the prototype finds its way to the market really soon.

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2019, 11:10 AM »
Been hoping for a long time sawstop would come to Europe, as a musician and a woodworker I need a finger safe way to do my sawing....
One way might be to learn how to use a saw properly, i.e. with a long push stick (unlike the guy in the video preview). Don't they teach that at colleges in NL? I'm not saying it isn't necessary (for some people) just that a lot of what it "cures" has been dealt with by training over the last 40-odd years
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2019, 11:26 AM »
Despite all the old-school and new-school instructions, table saw injuries continue to happen once every 9 minutes (USCPSC). Yes, safe shop and machine knowledge, practice and habits are critical, but when something that is unexpected goes wrong, the flesh-detection technology is cool to have.

I turned off my SawStop feature last week (second time since owning the SawStop for many years) to make some angled cuts, then I realized how lucky I had my guardian angel back watching over me as soon as I turned the safety feature back on. I don't think I will ever want to use a table saw that does not have such protection on a regular basis at all. Not everyone may have a choice of what table saw to use, but, luckily, as a hobbyist I do.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2019, 12:44 PM »
Been hoping for a long time sawstop would come to Europe, as a musician and a woodworker I need a finger safe way to do my sawing....
One way might be to learn how to use a saw properly, i.e. with a long push stick (unlike the guy in the video preview). Don't they teach that at colleges in NL? I'm not saying it isn't necessary (for some people) just that a lot of what it "cures" has been dealt with by training over the last 40-odd years

Agreed, there are lots of demos of tools that show incorrect techniques. I have a SawStop and use it exactly the same way I did before I sold my Unisaw. There should be no change of protocol or training on how to use a tablesaw no matter what safety features are built-in. As an aside if you see tablesaw use on TV the guards are almost always not present and push sticks are necessarily used when they should.

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2019, 01:27 PM »
Just to be clear, this video shows the prototype for the TKS 80 which is non-pull-saw table saw. The prototype was fitted with a "Precisio" dust hood probably because it was what was available. I expect the production TKS 80 will have quite a different dust hood/riving knife combination (particularly the version destined for N.A.).
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2019, 01:31 PM »
Been hoping for a long time sawstop would come to Europe, as a musician and a woodworker I need a finger safe way to do my sawing....
One way might be to learn how to use a saw properly, i.e. with a long push stick (unlike the guy in the video preview). Don't they teach that at colleges in NL? I'm not saying it isn't necessary (for some people) just that a lot of what it "cures" has been dealt with by training over the last 40-odd years

Agreed, there are lots of demos of tools that show incorrect techniques. I have a SawStop and use it exactly the same way I did before I sold my Unisaw. There should be no change of protocol or training on how to use a tablesaw no matter what safety features are built-in. As an aside if you see tablesaw use on TV the guards are almost always not present and push sticks are necessarily used when they should.

The whole caption to the effect of "some safety devices and guards may have been removed for television"  drives me nuts every time.  While I get it that in the real world most of us probably have something not in place, especially with table saws, that is not excuse on tv. If you are showing a tool being used on tv, you show it being used with all the correct safety bits in place and safety gear on, and best practices being used. That's the only way to get people to use to tools correctly.  If the on air people don't want to do that, they are no longer on air people.  Also means don't go filming amatures/hacks who don't use tools correctly.  While it may make for exciting tv to show someone nearly saw their head off with a chain saw (I think it was "renovation realities" that nearly had this happen), it's not what should be shown or encouraged.  Far to much improper tool usage on tv, from things like saws, to just pointless/stupid use of sledge hammers when the correct tool is a screw driver or wrench.  Blindly sawing thru walls, etc.

Offline Alex

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2019, 01:34 PM »
One way might be to learn how to use a saw properly, i.e. with a long push stick (unlike the guy in the video preview). Don't they teach that at colleges in NL?

Blimey, I would have never thought of that. I don't know what they teach at colleges in NL, I studied physics and psychology, not woodworking.

A push stick you say? Dang, I've been pushing my fingers in there for the last 25 years and accepted I had to deal with the cuts and the blood as it is.

On another note, what is wrong with having an extra layer of safety?

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2019, 05:04 PM »
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Offline Wooden Skye

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2019, 10:35 PM »
The real question will be if you have the saw will Festool offer a retrofit kit or will you have to buy a new saw.
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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2019, 10:59 PM »
The real question will be if you have the saw will Festool offer a retrofit kit or will you have to buy a new saw.

The OP confused things with his/her subject line. The table saw prototype shown in the video (which is the test bed for the forthcoming TKS 80 table saw) has nothing to do with the CS 70 Precisio. Given the forces at play when the blade retracts any other potential candidate for this technology (like perhaps the CS 50, CS 70, CMS TS 55, CMS TS 75) will almost certainly need a total redesign. It's clear to me from the prototype that everything about the saw is beefier. Were Festool to decide to add a SawStop cartridge to the aforementioned potential candidates, there is no way it could be done with the machines as they exist right now. I'm guessing here but I think its obvious that this could never be offered as a retrofit.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: CS 70 with sawstop (prototope)
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2019, 11:10 PM »

A push stick you say? Dang, I've been pushing my fingers in there for the last 25 years and accepted I had to deal with the cuts and the blood as it is.


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