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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2020, 06:31 AM »
Tanos stays pretty quiet about future products.  Right now I don't know of any Combi planned in SYS3 style.  Though the future is big and vast and not written yet.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2020, 10:45 AM »
  [big grin]

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2020, 01:02 PM »

Also really like the foam insert for the drill/impact combo all in one systainer. Need one for the cxs and c18.

That does look well designed. I may have to look for a part number.
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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2021, 05:25 PM »
I too globally hate this new gen 3 system. especially the handles, because they are positioned at the bottom, which makes them useless for carrying the taller systainer, and on the smallest size they cannot be fixed-clicked when stapled... And they are not compatible with the first generation. I still use some of the first generation because I find them more sturdy, so better for very heavy content, and I will put them at the bottom of a staple. I can still put a generation 2 between a gen 1 and a gen 3 for connection, but this is a shame.

Also I loved the generation 2 roll sys (small wheeled tray). The new one (gen 3) which displaced the gen 2 is larger, wasting more space when aggregating several rolling stacks.

There are still some positive things : the XXL systainer is a nice addition for big things, and does not have the bottom handle, although it belongs to the systainer3 (gen 3) serie.

There seem to be some shortage of separately available systainers in Europe, re. the models with the standard width. I suspect this may be related to the Covid pandemic. Systainers are used for storing and transporting the covid tests, which should have resulted in a huge demand. I wonder whether some companies might use those with the black insulating foam inside for the Covid vaccines
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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2021, 07:10 PM »
I agree with Coen. Here Festool can have my feedback: I find the whole new line of systainers ridiculous and atrocious.

You had something really good, and now it's wasted.

And nobody uses Bott van racking.
My van has a Bott system, which is very nice to use and one of the best out there.
But I don't store my systainers in the racks but simply on the floor.
And take them all out on the jobsite or at home otherwise they get stolen so easily.
Only some Raaco assortment boxes with all sizes of screws and wallplugs are stored permanently.
there’s a lot of petty theft in Europe? The Netherlands is plagued with car break ins. I’m told the thieves watch your car with binoculars from apartments, and will steal the change from your ashtray? So yah the tools would be gone within 7-10 days left overnight on the street.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2021, 07:22 PM »
I too globally hate this new gen 3 system. especially the handles, because they are positioned at the bottom, which makes them useless for carrying the taller systainer, and on the smallest size they cannot be fixed-clicked when stapled...

Keep in mind the front handle you are describing on the larger gen 3 Systainers is not actually a handle, it's a pull out aid for van racking or for your own homemade racking. You will notice it does not actually flip up like a handle; it is locked in place. It can be removed from the inside of the gen 3 Systainers if you don't like it. The flip handles on the front of the Systainers end at size Sys 3 M 187 for the very reason you mentioned (at larger sizes the front handle would not allow the Systainer to be balanced for carrying). Even the flip handles can be removed on the smaller sizes of the gen 3 Systainers if you don't like them.

Personally I love the gen 3 Systainers :)

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2021, 07:34 PM »
And they are not compatible with the first generation... I can still put a generation 2 between a gen 1 and a gen 3 for connection, but this is a shame.
They are compatible with Classic, exactly as T-loc. You can put Classic directly under Sys3.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2021, 08:00 PM by Svar »

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2021, 08:37 AM »
They are compatible with Classic, exactly as T-loc. You can put Classic directly under Sys3.

Thank you, I hadn't realized this.
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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2021, 10:14 AM »
It just seems to go against the system thinking about how they fit in the sysports.
The original T Locs increased in size in regular increments. If you see the Sys 1 as a starting point of 1 unit (just over 100 mm), then the Sys2 works out to roughly 1 1/2 of these units at just over 150 mm. The Sys3 being 2 units and so on down the line. This makes it possible to fit them into a Sysport in the right combination, filling it entirely with minimal gaps or wasted space.
The new "in between" sizes seem to go against this?
Granted, there may be quite a few who don't use the Sysport part of the system, but many still do.
I have nearly 20 Systainers, in stationary self built cabinets, using the 32 mm increment concept. The RO 125 I just got is a very tight fit, even after lowering the bottom drawer guides, just because it is a few mm taller. It's only one in the stack. Four of them would take so much extra space as to eliminate the useability of the last space.
The simple 1, 1.5, 2, 3, and 4 units work in multiples of 10 quite well.
Clearly, Festool has always adapted the internal fit of the inserts to the next larger size if needed.
Maybe offer the alternate sizes in the Tanos line, for those who buy them separately? Obviously the RO 125 fit in a Sys 2 before, the change is not a necessity in this case.

Whats even worse is if you have and im sure tons of people do is having T-locks and Sys3 then the system goes bonkers. I have some of both and i plan on making a MFT Cart and my brain is just refusing to think on how to account for it so that i can switch the systainers around as my workflow changes. One of the best things about the systainers was the T-lock itself and the 1,2,3,4,5 proportions. Now I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would change what has been instrumental in workflow organization/efficiency. I feel as though the Sys3 took a small step forward with the new handles (top/front) but a HUGE step backwards in their heights. I wonder if we could petition Festool/Tanos to amend the heights on the Sys3? 

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2021, 01:30 PM »
This really annoys me, since I'd finally decided to break down and go all-in on Systainers.

Would there be any interest in adapter plates to make the Sys3 units conform to the previous heights? I think I can work up some which are reasonably durable/workable.

I even have an idea on making my own --- ordered a: "Bessey STC-S-MFT Systainer Toggle Clamp Set"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0773RZLZ8

as a start. (Next will be a Festool MW 1000, then a Systainer to hold a Bridge City Tool Works DJ-3 once they are released).

Anyone know if a source for a Sys 1 in Anthracite?

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2021, 08:20 PM »
And now the tool is in a bigger Sys, that takes yet more space in the cabinet
It's not really about "more space", it's about random heights that do not fit the "unit" sizes.

Biggest gripe is exactly that. Unit sizes. Bigger is not necessarily better.
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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2021, 03:13 PM »
Would there be any interest in adapter plates to make the Sys3 units conform to the previous heights?

No. That would be another set of space wasting articles to compensate for something else space-wasting. More likely... sell the Sys^3 and buy new Systainer T-Loc.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2021, 05:40 PM »
The colors of T-Loc are discontinued, but Light Grey and Anthracite will be around for a while. 

Huge thumbs down right there.

The opposite side of my van racking has an orange & black Sys2 for a Paslode IM65A, a blue & white Sys2 for a Makita PJ7000, a yellow & black Sys1 one for a DeWalt grinder, plus a red & white one for Hilti SID-22A and SF6H. And who needs Bott racking apart from Bott, Festool and Tanos reps?

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2021, 07:27 PM »
Don’t know if it has been mentioned in here about the SYS 3 gen systainers  but there’s only
M 112 - M 187 that has flip out front handles..

The larger sizes has a grab “handle” only, it looks like it’s a flip out handle, but it’s not - it cannot be flipped out, it’s fixed and only has a taper on the bottom where you need to pull with your finger tips.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2021, 12:25 PM »

Anyone know if a source for a Sys 1 in Anthracite?

https://www.systemcontainers.co.uk/systainer-sys-i

UK-based, but they have them and may be willing to ship. Very reliable supplier, I've had loads of Systainers from them. Hope that helps.


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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2021, 09:26 PM »
I know it doesn't help for the immediate need, I have a few on the way from Tanos Germany.  Hitting my warehouse is likely late in May.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2021, 08:53 AM »
Just an assurance that there will be on-going production/availability would be huge --- apparently Mafell is going to stick to the older design, and at least a couple of sizes are available from them.

Anyone know if Woodpecker will continue to sell:

https://www.woodpeck.com/accessories/systainer.html

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2021, 12:00 PM »
I've been told by the team at Tanos USA that T-Loc Light Grey and Anthracite will continue to be available.  The challenge being only so much warehouse space here in the USA right now, so Anthracite isn't being stocked as much "locally", thus why I've got them coming in from Tanos Germany.

Overall I see the systainer community growing and like the classics, I anticipate T-Loc to be around for a bit.

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Re: Systainer3 and T-Loc sizing comparison image
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2021, 09:17 AM »
@WillAdams ...don’t know if you’ve looked recently but the woodpecker sys is available and ships next week...according to the site
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