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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #150 on: April 03, 2020, 02:08 PM »
@mrB
- You have a point, I agree. Van racking seems to take over the old “system”.
I really see the point of racking compatibility, but (FT!) don’t forget the original system. It can be solved by adding SYS3 systainers that complies with old and at least a couple of those will solve height issues. There can be systainers that are NOT compatible with BOTT.
In addition: CMS is also obsolete..

Forecast based economics ruin brands and products.. I suspect there are new forces (I don’t know) running Festool. Financial focused I suspect, not marketing in collaboration with creative engineers...
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Offline Gregor

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #151 on: April 03, 2020, 07:56 PM »
@mrB
I really see the point of racking compatibility, but (FT!) don’t forget the original system.
Given that the heights are completely incompatible... I suspect the latter should be read as past tense, that ship seems to have sailed. *sigh*
« Last Edit: April 03, 2020, 08:15 PM by Gregor »

Offline mino

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2020, 05:27 AM »
Given that the heights are completely incompatible... I suspect the latter should be read as past tense, that ship seems to have sailed. *sigh*
The T-Loc was designed as a direct "version 2/tuning" of the concept and so mostly displaced the Classic. But still the Classic line SKUs which did not get a functional replacement do soldier on till today like the SYS-SORTs.

Sys3 is not so. It is a compatible-but-not-a-replacement type for a product line. To me it is a side-step, not a functional replacement as it had to forego the LEGO-like height system to get into the vehicle system.

SYS3 is here to stay. And Festool will globally push to have it included by default with new tools - if for anything then for consistency and the new "fancy" thing.

But there is nothing preventing Festool (not mention TANOS) to carry the classic T-Loc line as a parallel system-storage line.

And this is what we should all tell to our Festool reps loud and clear:
"SYS3 are nice, but they are not a replacement of T-Locs.
If you do not want to lose a big part of your customer base, you need to carry both lines long term. 20 years style long term. If you do not, the community will migrate to the Makpacks and Metalocs of the world which will have a superior system on their hands."



/I know this is past the time, but should be said:/
I am totally convinced that TTS messed up in underestimating the value of the height system to their heavy users/evangelizers.
As can be seen on this thread, the height system is a go/no-go for many big adopters and the "masses" do not care so there is no real benefit giving them the vehicle-compatibility. For many it is a reason why they choose a Festool in place of a Makita or a Metabo.

They really should have talked about this with Bott and have Bott adapt/support the TANOS height system OR agree to make a few "special-Bott-aligned" sizes which would have been *in addition* to the standard 52,5 mm module ones.
I think e.g. the 130(7) and the 230(7) would be usable also for tools (at times allowing to avoid bigger SYS-2 and SYS-4 respectively) while the 330(7) and 430(7) are close-enough to SYS-4/5 they would be mostly not needed as the TANOS sizes would be close-enough.

Then the Organizes REALLY should have been 87.5(+feet) to align with the 5/6*105 module the SORTAINER is using so that 3 Organizes will be 3x87.5 = 262.5mm = 2,5x52.5 => the same as a COMBI2.
(Ref: The shelf modules of a SYS-SORT4/3 are 87.5 and the "inactive" height of it is exactly 52.5mm, so you can make a SYS-SORT"7"/6 with 6 shelfs and height of 11*52,5 modules by taking apart a couple SYS-SORTS. I am convinced this is why TANOS originally chose 105mm => it is cleanly divisible by 3 and so you can make 2/3 in addition to the 52,5 1/2 sizes which will end up with rational numbers as dimensions instead of 3,3333...)

Such approach would have allowed also the "Bott folks" to choose the smaller SYS-1/SYS-3 when they would value the TANOS LEGO system above in-vehicle efficiency or go with the Bott-optimized 130/230(maybe-330) heights when otherwise.

But well, what is borked is borked. Lets go for some damage control then.[cool]
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Offline Coen

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2020, 10:43 AM »
It’s not even the fact that the heights are different, it’s that they’re not even system compatible with them selves like the original T-Locs are. 

The height of my work tops in the photo above is 2x SYS4. But this height can also be achieved with combo of Sys. . .

4+4
4+2+2
4+3+1
2+2+2+2
3+2+2+1
3+3+1+1
3+3+3
1+1+1+1+1+1
3+1+1+1+1

It barely matters what tools I bring to the job, I’ll have some good options for worktop height.  It’s so good as a system but they ruined it!
Over time tools and systainers will break, and newcomers will have new style Sys3,  and this system will be lost. . Why? Because of some racking system no one ever heard of?

I know I’ve been criticised here before for blowing it out of proportion, and I admit it’s not the end of the world. . . But it sure feels like a massive waste of a great thing.

Given plenty of time I guess you can probably trade them for someone who goes all-in on the new system. Classic Systainers are still available too, I guess the T-loc's will stay around too.

I still don't understand why they had to change the heights for that racking system of Bott. They didn't have to conform to L-boxx width either.

Offline mrB

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2020, 11:20 AM »
Yes I am sure there will be regular T-Locs around for a while, but it’s way less convenient and cost effective to sell new Systainers and buy old. My TID 18 just came in the new Sys3 and having seen new prices on eBay and just watched a Sys3 (from a TID 18) sell for £32. . . After postage, eBay fees and the hassle. . It’s really not worth it in my opinion.

Someone previously questioned my annoyance saying I “can just buy old Systainers” and “how many new tools do I buy a year” but that’s not overly relevant. The tools used to come in compatible Systainers and that was part of the value. Now that value is lessened. Granted they still stack and Lock and that’s still convenient, but it’s notably less useful for me.

Often in the past I’d buy a tool for a specific job that I don’t want to keep permanently. I’d use it, keep it in great condition and sell it a month later without the T-loc. I’d get about 80% of my investment back and a ‘free’ t-loc. I‘ll be less inclined to do that with the new ones.

I’m moaning mostly because I have the time on lock down, but also because I’ve made Systainers a huge part of my life and this inexplicable alteration really damages that for no reason I can see. BOTT never sold Systainers before, and don’t seem to currently sell the Systainer racking the Sys3 was designed for (from my half arsed investigation). Just can’t see why the heights needed to change. And from a company that claims your investment with them is solid for ten years of spare parts, has MFT, CMS and mitre saws that are all height compatible with the old Systainer system. . . I just can’t imagine why they changed it? I’d really LOVE to know.
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Offline Spandex

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2020, 11:31 AM »
If you have a large number of systainers then it’s also presumably possible to swap any new Sys3s that you get for systainers that never leave the home/workshop. That allows you to ensure that systainer stacks used on jobs (where the heights may be an issue) are all old t-locs.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2020, 11:37 AM »
BOTT never sold Systainers before, and don’t seem to currently sell the Systainer racking the Sys3 was designed for (from my half arsed investigation).

The racking is Bott Vario 3. This is the best shot I could find on how the Systainers fit into the racking.


Offline mrB

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2020, 11:56 AM »
If you have a large number of systainers then it’s also presumably possible to swap any new Sys3s that you get for systainers that never leave the home/workshop. That allows you to ensure that systainer stacks used on jobs (where the heights may be an issue) are all old t-locs.

Yes you are correct. I have 3 or 4 Systainers that never leave the house. But they’re all sys4 with paints, stains, glues etc etc. Swapping this new SYS3 137 into the mix doesn’t really help. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll find a use, but it won’t be on jobs. As I’ve said before with 4 MFT sys tops, I often end up only having this kind of work bench on smaller jobs, and whatever Systainers I packed, I’d easily find a work height that suited within that selection. In the future this won’t be possible for newcomers and people like me will end up with a growing amount of Systainers they have to be mindful of in that regard. . .

Like I said before, I’m just ranting as I have the spare time, and I keep thinking how silly this was. I’m interested in the perceived benefits of the new design decision more than tips on how I’ll manage. I know I’ll manage, this hasn’t instantly ruined my work flow, the show will go on.

Thanks for the Bott info @Cheese  I’m mildly interested in what this has all been for.
Who knows, one day I might have a van full of it and be looking to swap every thing to new sys3  [big grin] but I doubt it. .
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2020, 05:08 PM »
BOTT never sold Systainers before, and don’t seem to currently sell the Systainer racking the Sys3 was designed for (from my half arsed investigation).

The racking is Bott Vario 3. This is the best shot I could find on how the Systainers fit into the racking.

(Attachment Link)

I’ve noticed also, and cannot see any real reason to change sizes, the shelves would be easy to adapt to existing systainers. Except if FT wasn’t happy with some of the sizes from what they tried to fit inside..
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #159 on: April 19, 2020, 09:00 AM »
I’ve noticed also, and cannot see any real reason to change sizes, the shelves would be easy to adapt to existing systainers. Except if FT wasn’t happy with some of the sizes from what they tried to fit inside..

I agree with you...however I think it was Bott that drove the decision to change the Systainer height. Also, as Bott does 50,000 vehicle conversions per year, that was too lucrative a market for Festool to just walk away from.

A tweak to the Systainer tooling here & a tweak to the Systainer tooling there and suddenly Festool has opened up a brand new market for itself. And actually, Festool didn't even have to tweak the tooling, that was done by Tanos who was already producing Systainers for Bott.

So, all Festool had to do to gain entrance to a lucrative new market was to agree to switch over to the new Systainer style for packaging their tools. Kind of a no-brainer for Festool, considering the upside potential of the market.

Bott also describes the Vario 3 as a "new design" that is "redefining in-vehicle equipment".


Offline mackenzie

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2020, 09:17 AM »
What I'd really like to know is what other manufacturers who use the systainer system will do.  Mafell and Fein for example use the T-Loc and Mafell has even adopted the Sys-Combi in one example I've seen.  Will these manufacturers convert to the new system?  Why did Metabo give up on the T-loc system, perhaps things were discussed behind closed doors relating to the new systainer3 that Metabo didn't like so they moved on?

I'm also interested to know what will happen with the obscure items that use the systainer profile such as the CT Sys or SYS PH.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2020, 07:26 PM »
Cheese, you’re probably right it’s a market opportunity. I didn’t know that Bott did so many conversions. And those buy in bulk, meaning for Tanos/Festool that they are most likely expanding. An added benefit is that a non Festool/Tanos user becomes aware of who equips their tools with Bott compatibility boxes - it’s a win-win. Not so much for existing Festool users.

Mackenzie, in my opinion there’s most likely new SYS PH and CT SYS in the works.
There will most likely also be new drawer slides compatible with SYS3/Bott. If cheaper and easier to mount, that could be a good thing. I don’t think all will change, as in IE the MW 1000. I think the “old” drawers will be available along with maybe new drawer slides and maybe frames with drawer slides for SYS3.

Imagine a compact small SYS port-alike with lighter system from Bott, where you can place it on top of a CT dust collector where you can pull systainers out simultaneously on both sides and have easy access to to maybe 3-4 systainers without stacking back and forth. Me want! ..SYS Ports are way too expensive, and too heavy. Plastic fantastic is fantastic! When weight is an important factor.

I have a “cart” from Keter all with drawers, it is all plastic, but it is good plastic - even the slides for the drawers, but I works remarkably well, even when I have more heavy stuff like fasteners and alike in it. And it is on wheels, so I shift it around as I please. I can split it in three parts, each with 3 drawers, put all or one in my car, it won’t scratch anything, and the drawers are lockable via central locking system so it lock all three drawers at once - just as a automotive tool cart in steel.
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Offline Gregor

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #162 on: April 21, 2020, 08:35 AM »
Mackenzie, in my opinion there’s most likely new SYS PH and CT SYS in the works.
Given the format the VAC-SYS still sells here in Europe (classic systainer)... I do not share your enthusiasm.
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Imagine a compact small SYS port-alike with lighter system from Bott, where you can place it on top of a CT dust collector where you can pull systainers out simultaneously on both sides and have easy access to to maybe 3-4 systainers without stacking back and forth.
It looks to me that Bott system does not support opening systainers without removing them fully from the stacking frame.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2020, 11:30 AM »
Mackenzie, in my opinion there’s most likely new SYS PH and CT SYS in the works.
Given the format the VAC-SYS still sells here in Europe (classic systainer)... I do not share your enthusiasm.
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Imagine a compact small SYS port-alike with lighter system from Bott, where you can place it on top of a CT dust collector where you can pull systainers out simultaneously on both sides and have easy access to to maybe 3-4 systainers without stacking back and forth.
It looks to me that Bott system does not support opening systainers without removing them fully from the stacking frame.

Oh well, that’s not enthusiasm - more a probable reality to what to come. Sure if systainers are now made to fit BOTT drawers, why should they exclude VAC SYS and SYS PH?

- Too bad if the systainers cannot open in-shelf.
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Offline mackenzie

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2020, 04:03 PM »
Phoned Bott today to ask for an ETA for the Bott branded Systainer3's and Vario3 racking and they said the release has been postponed until Q1 2021 due to Corona.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #165 on: April 21, 2020, 06:04 PM »
The Bott/Systainer3 system does not have drawer slides. It’s just a grid of pigeon holes for stuffing the boxes into for storage and transport.

If you want to open a Systainer on a pull-out shelf the drawer slide has to allow the back or the box to project at least 30mm beyond the front of the cabinet. With this system the back of the box will still be about 80mm short of the front of the cabinet when it starts to fall out.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #166 on: April 21, 2020, 08:14 PM »
Ah, so at a non moving shop like home shop or shop-shop, “ordinary” shelves are quite better..
Stupid of me thinking that there were to be made slides compatible with the new slots on SYS3.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #167 on: April 21, 2020, 09:55 PM »
Ah, so at a non moving shop like home shop or shop-shop, “ordinary” shelves are quite better..
Stupid of me thinking that there were to be made slides compatible with the new slots on SYS3.

The Bott cabinet has fixed rails that fit the slots molded into the sides of the Sys3. The benefit of the Bott cabinet compared to an ordinary shop cabinet is that there are no shelves. The Sys doesn’t sit on anything.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #168 on: April 21, 2020, 10:20 PM »
So the bottom line is this Bott thing works great in a van but not so much in a shop.  [mad]

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #169 on: April 21, 2020, 11:32 PM »
Ah, so at a non moving shop like home shop or shop-shop, “ordinary” shelves are quite better..
Stupid of me thinking that there were to be made slides compatible with the new slots on SYS3.

The Bott cabinet has fixed rails that fit the slots molded into the sides of the Sys3. The benefit of the Bott cabinet compared to an ordinary shop cabinet is that there are no shelves. The Sys doesn’t sit on anything.

Saves a little vertical space with no shelves. And a little more vertical or horizontal space due to the front handle. Since no space is needed to be able to get your hands on the Sys to pull it out.

I can see it saving about 6" vertical on a 48" tall Sys cabinet compared to having shelves and hand room.

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Offline mino

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #170 on: April 22, 2020, 12:58 PM »
So the bottom line is this Bott thing works great in a van but not so much in a shop.  [mad]
This.
The SYS3 really needs to be looked at as a compatible-complement-but-not-a-replacement for classic/T-Loc "LEGO" lines.

We just need to make sure (hope ?) Festool realizes this.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #171 on: April 22, 2020, 01:16 PM »
Ah, so at a non moving shop like home shop or shop-shop, “ordinary” shelves are quite better..
Stupid of me thinking that there were to be made slides compatible with the new slots on SYS3.

The Bott cabinet has fixed rails that fit the slots molded into the sides of the Sys3. The benefit of the Bott cabinet compared to an ordinary shop cabinet is that there are no shelves. The Sys doesn’t sit on anything.

Saves a little vertical space with no shelves. And a little more vertical or horizontal space due to the front handle. Since no space is needed to be able to get your hands on the Sys to pull it out.

I can see it saving about 6" vertical on a 48" tall Sys cabinet compared to having shelves and hand room.

Seth

Even more vertical space saving in a taller cabinet which is more viable with the front handles. Add a pullout shelf in the middle for a Sys3 to sit on when you pull it out and it’s almost as convenient as a costly full extension drawer.

Offline Spandex

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #172 on: April 22, 2020, 01:46 PM »
So the bottom line is this Bott thing works great in a van but not so much in a shop.  [mad]
The Bott racking was never meant for workshops. The integrated slider is an additional feature specifically for when the systainer is in a van rack, where opening the systainer in situ isn’t desirable - it doesn’t stop you using a sys-az at home or in the workshop, it just adds more flexibility for people who also rack their tools in a van.

It’s funny, because I remember threads on here where people complained that the sys-az wasn’t suitable for installation in a van, and now Tanos add a van-specific slider on the systainer and people are complaining that it isn’t suitable for workshop use.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #173 on: April 22, 2020, 05:11 PM »
So the bottom line is this Bott thing works great in a van but not so much in a shop.  [mad]

It’s funny, because I remember threads on here where people complained that the sys-az wasn’t suitable for installation in a van, and now Tanos add a van-specific slider on the systainer and people are complaining that it isn’t suitable for workshop use.

Haha [big grin] - We’ll never be happy [wink]
We’re only happy till the next thing we’re eyeballing..
That said, as you folks knowing more about Bott’s system, it could be a workshop solution. That is when you would want to avoid T-Lock fiddling, stacking and unstacking.
You could possibly have easy reach and easier access to a systainer in a middle of a rack. Thus saving space in height, that is if these rails/sliders will be available to mount in a cabinet. You would have to decide the SYS height for each “shelf” though - ahh, maybe not very convenient - easier to mount ala LR 32 shelves or similar flexibility, as dado’ing cabinet sides for slide in shelves. I’ll speak for myself, but I hate fixed shelves, I always do them with adjustability. There’s always something you would like to put in a shelf, that of course would not fit if I had fixed shelves  [crying]
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Offline mattbar1

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #174 on: April 27, 2020, 08:00 AM »
 Are these available in the USA yet? And if so where?

Offline yetihunter

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #175 on: May 09, 2020, 06:35 PM »
Are these available in the USA yet? And if so where?

Only with some tools as stock gets replenished.  Most of the sanders now and then drills in July.

Americans interested in the Metabo “Metaloc” boxes will be pleased to know that they finally started showing up from Metabo’s US operations about a month or two ago.  No more need to import via Amazon.  The integrated side handle is nice (nicer than the new tanos/festool side handles) and you can lock and unlock the metal clasp in the middle of a stack. 

For those new to Festool and reading this; when the t-loc was introduced, there was a bible sized thread either here or the now defunct other festool messageboard with people screaming bloody murder about how Festool replacing the original four latch systainer was the worst thing to ever happen to humanity or whatever. 

Either Thursday or Friday, I passed mixed stacks of the old and new t-locs at the store and didn’t even notice the new ones were there until someone mentioned it.  Everyone’s concerned about the height, but most of that stuff is based on a Sys1 and they kept that the same size.

About the different parts bins, I can’t help you there.  After the dozens of different cobbled together clunky ways Festool/Tanos have offered customers to store screws and bolts, they finally smartened up and are delivering what every other modular plastic parts bin company has offered since the dawn of mankind (exaggerating somewhat).  I would believe it if you told me Bott motivated this.


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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #176 on: May 09, 2020, 07:10 PM »
I have two of the Metabo “Metaloc” boxes, my surface grinder and saw came in them and them work well with Festool and Tanos systainers.

Offline mino

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #177 on: May 10, 2020, 03:06 AM »
Everyone’s concerned about the height, but most of that stuff is based on a Sys1 and they kept that the same size.

Everyone is concerned about the height because the SystainerTM height system is one of the defining/killer features of the product.

With the new heights, you can NO LONGER (for all practical purposes, I know no one who is a SYS-1 only shop)
A) use a general stack of systainers as a mobile work surface
 => this makes the new line near useless for a lot of people
B) use *standard and universal* shelfs for efficient Systainer storage in the shop /lot of people use a SYS-5 or "SYS-6" or similar exact heights in shelfs/
 => this makes the any investment in them as a "superior" solution for shop-use /i.e. it gets a LOT harder to justify the expense/

For green field shop use B) is a nuisance, and can be compensated by wide-availability of the Bott rails (guess these can be cheaply 3D-printed)
For mobile use A) is a show (value) stopper which turns a $50 Systainer into a $10 Chinese tool case.

Combined, the value of the whole "one universal system" is lost.
The SYS3 is no longer a "system" in the same way the "Lego" ones are. It is half-broken in an intrinsic way.

The winners here are the Bott system users and a few who will appreciate the integrated sliders /a wash with point B) possibly/.
Everyone else loses. Including Festool in the long run.


For me, personally it is easy.
Having free shipping from the excellent folks at sys-classic.de for Tanos kit, I will just sell or give out any SYS3 that comes my way /except the XXL which is a beast/.

So, am I impacted - not really. Festool systainers have a "steal me" mark over here so I already use anthracite TANOS ones for tools and keep the Festool ones for home storage only.
Am I peeved - no.

But as a fan of what Festool, and TTS overall, does - I am disappointed as this will become a bad move for the company in case "Lego" line is not kept under the Festool brand moving forward or new "Lego" heights are not added to give the buyers a choice within the SYS3 ecosystem.


And if Festool is not successful, we will not have them do as much R&D on new tools so all are impacted.

Add:
Why did Metabo give up on the T-loc system, perhaps things were discussed behind closed doors relating to the new systainer3 that Metabo didn't like so they moved on?
I would not look for Metaloc further than the new management at Metabo which probably saw a cost-saving/profit opportunity once the original sys(tem con)tainer patents expired and they had a mostly free hand.
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #178 on: May 10, 2020, 04:44 AM »
What I'd really like to know is what other manufacturers who use the systainer system will do.  Mafell and Fein for example use the T-Loc and Mafell has even adopted the Sys-Combi in one example I've seen.  Will these manufacturers convert to the new system?  Why did Metabo give up on the T-loc system, perhaps things were discussed behind closed doors relating to the new systainer3 that Metabo didn't like so they moved on?

I'm also interested to know what will happen with the obscure items that use the systainer profile such as the CT Sys or SYS PH.

Metabo did not give up on the t-loc system.  They simply followed Makita and Hitachi’s lead and made their own personal and 100% compatible variant.  They’ve been on the market for 4 or 5 years now, I doubt that there was any sort of connection.

As far as what other companies will do, I guess the same as they did 9 years ago: slowly rollover to the new boxes when they get around to it.  Mafell took half a decade before switching over to t-locs from the classic systainer. 





Offline Sourwould

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #179 on: June 01, 2020, 04:54 PM »
Does anyone know if these cubed systainers are priced the same as the t-locs? I bought a sander and it came with one, but I'm going to sell it.