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Offline tsercitpo

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #120 on: March 05, 2020, 02:56 PM »
Thanks for the quick reply, Shane. Please convey my disappointment to big green...

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #121 on: March 05, 2020, 02:57 PM »
Thanks for the quick reply, Shane. Please convey my disappointment to big green...

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Offline tsercitpo

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #122 on: March 05, 2020, 03:10 PM »
@Festool USA Please make the Systainer³ Organizer available in the US in 2020!

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #123 on: March 05, 2020, 05:13 PM »
Shane, does that include the Systainer3 Organizers too?

@tsercitpo, welcome to the forum. Festool USA has indicated that the only Systainer³ we will see during 2020 will be the ones that come with tools. No other Systainer³ products will be available this year. Again, that's the latest word and is always subject to change I suppose.

So Festool is big with the "ecosystem" but in the US you cannot buy major parts of the system for a year? That doesn't make any sense.  [unsure]

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2020, 12:35 AM »
@Festool USA Please make the Systainer³ Organizer available in the US in 2020!

+1 on this. Please get them stateside asap!

Offline rylim

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #125 on: March 08, 2020, 10:13 AM »
Festool USA is slowly transitioning tools to the Systainer³. So far only the ETS 125 REQ has transitioned and we now have inventory of this sander in the Sys³. It looks like this transition will be quite slow over the next year.

Festool USA has also indicated that they have no intention of introducing any empty Systainer³ in 2020. Of course, this may change but it's the latest info I have to share.

Ughh. Why NAINA always so slow...

By the way, thanks for letting me know
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #126 on: March 08, 2020, 11:12 AM »
Actually, inventory is the Achilles heel. Suppose FT USA is doing the same as here, old inventory out first before introducing SYS3. It is the same told here, only a few tools in the beginning and a slow transfer during 2020. There may be some empty SYS3 available here first, but I suppose those also will find its way over during the year. Tools in “old” Systainers will probably be sold before replacing successfully with new Systainers.

Offline phase3

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2020, 08:25 AM »
I'll chime in that because I'm completely new to Festool, and actually it's especially because I'm new to Festool, the delay in Sys3 for USA makes me a little bummed. I'm buying Festools relatively rapidly as I'm ramping up my (very enjoyable) new job function, and as each tool comes in the older format Systainer, in the back of my mind I'm thinking of them as even a bit more expensive, because I know I'd actually prefer to invest in the newer racking of the Sys3 when those are available.

I do recognize it's just unfortunate timing on my part.

I now have about 10 "last-model" Systainers from the tools I've bought since about November last year, plus one Classic style because my amazingly fantastic local hardware store salesman handed me a dusty old LR 32 demo kit they'd stopped using. I'm appreciating how efficiently these things let me move my tools from job site back home every day, so I'd also ideally switch the other non-Systainer tools from the pile of random bags & blow-molded cases to Systainers. I'm also now sick of stacking & unstacking them, so I want to make some cabinets with drawers. Just as folks commented in other threads I'm finding that stacking & unstacking gets old pretty quick! I have in mind building some rolling storage cabinets with MFT tops, same height as my MFT/3, having the more efficient-looking Bott style rails as their racking, which also would let me get to a bottom drawer in a combo Systainer without pulling the whole thing out. I guess I'll be buying now about 10 current type Tanos/Festool drawers, then hoping to change those to rails later if I have the funds to switch to Sys3. Plus probably one in the base of my MW 1000 because as soon as I put that together last night, it was really awkward sliding the bottom Systainer in & out.

On the plus side, it looks like the Sys3 are being sold in sets, and I think they're discounted. Any word on whether the USA will get a deal when they arrive?

Off-topic sign-off: I hope everyone stays healthy. My kids are being told their colleges are switching to online-only, sports & trips are cancelled, and one of my kids needs to move back home today because the campus is shutting down.
Also my tool budget is probably about to step-function to zero as the food budget explodes, so my gripes about Sys3 not being here yet is probably all moot.  [unsure]

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2020, 12:13 PM »
I’m kind of in the same boat. Recently, within half a year shifting to Festool, selling a lot of my old tools. I even like the old two latch Systainers, as they feel more substantial than T-Lock ones. Especially for heavier loads. The new Sys3 seems more rigid, apart from T-Lock.

I did buy some Festool drawers as I was also tired of stacking and restacking. One did go to the bottom of the MW1000, and I also bought a second drawer that fits the MW1000. It will constrict max possible sys in the MW1000 but it is very ergonomic with two more drawers. So I’ll happily advise you to do so.

Offline phase3

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2020, 08:45 PM »
I’m kind of in the same boat. Recently, within half a year shifting to Festool, selling a lot of my old tools. I even like the old two latch Systainers, as they feel more substantial than T-Lock ones. Especially for heavier loads. The new Sys3 seems more rigid, apart from T-Lock.

You've brought up something I hadn't fully realized. I agree the 2-latch one I have does seem thicker and generally more sturdy than the more recent version. The clips require an inconvenient amount of force to lock into place and unlock, though. At least on mine.

I did buy some Festool drawers as I was also tired of stacking and restacking. One did go to the bottom of the MW1000, and I also bought a second drawer that fits the MW1000. It will constrict max possible sys in the MW1000 but it is very ergonomic with two more drawers. So I’ll happily advise you to do so.

LOL -- I'm sure you're right. The Festools aren't perfect, but more is usually better. Hehe.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2020, 09:30 PM »
The clips require an inconvenient amount of force to lock into place and unlock, though. At least on mine.

That’s always been an issue since day 1. Some use sandpaper to fine tune the latches. I’ve tried both a chisel and a scalpel to fine tune mine.

A great Systainer, very sturdy/strong but clunky to use. 

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2020, 03:20 PM »
Here’s my MW1000 with the two extra drawers. The good thing about these drawers is that complete with drawer slides and tray in a pack of 5 the cost isn’t too bad. Buying just the drawer sliders is not cheap, and the materials and labour when making your own comes in also. They also don’t mind wich systainer you’ll load, even Makita’s thrives in them.

(Never mind the Traxxas UDR.. it’s drying out after wash down [wink])


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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2020, 05:41 PM »
Some use sandpaper to fine tune the latches. I’ve tried both a chisel and a scalpel to fine tune mine.

Thanks, Cheese. I'll give that a try. It's a freebie, plus its contents, so I'm certainly not complaining about it!

Here’s my MW1000 with the two extra drawers.

Haaaahahaha! That looks great. Complete with the truck on top. I guess that'll get its own SYSTAINER³ XXL when those are available.  [eek]

On a different note, on most sizes the new front handles sort of interfere with using the T-Loc. I hope I haven't missed someone else mentioning that. I'm sorry if I have.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2020, 06:31 PM »

Here’s my MW1000 with the two extra drawers.

Haaaahahaha! That looks great. Complete with the truck on top. I guess that'll get its own SYSTAINER³ XXL when those are available.  [eek]

On a different note, on most sizes the new front handles sort of interfere with using the T-Loc. I hope I haven't missed someone else mentioning that. I'm sorry if I have.

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Haha.. you’re not far out! [big grin] - But thinking more of my new and older scale Tamiya’s.. there’s a lot of work in them, even paintwork - like a 1:1 car.. They will be very happy to be transported in one of the new SYS3 XXL  [wink] - maybe my Traxxas TRX4’s too..
The new XXL is very interesting to build inserts for, there’s tools that are just too long for most tool caddy’s IE; Japanese pull saws, levels and so forth (I really don’t like banging tools around [embarassed]) Hand tools or electric, I take care of them.

Edit: Having shortly handled the SYS3 - I too thought the handle in front got in the way.. it is a bit “flap, clack, rattle” thingy. There’s a catch to lock it, but hard to fasten and unfasten again. I guess those that don’t need it will remove it.
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Offline nicholam77

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2020, 07:12 PM »
Are the new handles easily removable?

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2020, 07:39 PM »
Are the new handles easily removable?

I have one of the new SYS ORG M, and it is doable, but the handle in the way it is attached is quite rigid - so it’s not easy off - easy on. It feels secure, but it is snapped on, in one piece.

Offline phase3

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2020, 10:32 AM »
Do the handles lock in a straight outward position too, or only in the downward position?

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2020, 11:41 AM »
Do the handles lock in a straight outward position too, or only in the downward position?

Only in the downward position. So if you have a van full of stacked Systainers mixed in with Systainer³ items, the front handle just flops around and slaps the Systainer as you go around corners and roll over bumps...Nice.  [doh]

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2020, 11:56 AM »
Do the handles lock in a straight outward position too, or only in the downward position?

Only in the downward position. So if you have a van full of stacked Systainers mixed in with Systainer³ items, the front handle just flops around and slaps the Systainer as you go around corners and roll over bumps...Nice.  [doh]

I guess driving styles might come into play.  I can’t see this as an issue, but others will certainly have their doubts and opinions.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2020, 01:49 PM »
I guess driving styles might come into play.  I can’t see this as an issue, but others will certainly have their doubts and opinions.
Possibly the quality of the local streets plays a role too, thus suspecting bad habits of reckless drivers... might be a bit off the mark.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2020, 05:23 PM »
I drive Land Rover and Mini, sooo.. I will probably not say anything about fast cornering and uneven “roads” 🙄 - with my trailers following behind 🤓

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #141 on: Yesterday at 10:43 AM »
Another thing on the change in height;



You can make the MFT height with a SYS(-TL) 2 + the equivalent of 7 Sys1's. That ends up being 899.5mm (the MFT being 900) == the same. Those 7 Sys1's can be anything from actually 7x1, or a 5 + 4. Or 2+2+5 or ....

But with the new system you can never get as close to 900 as the old system.

Closest I can come up with is a set of 3 Systainer3's then you get to 897mm;
eg; 137+337+437. Replace '7' with '0', add it all up and add one set of feet (7mm); 130+330+430+7=897

This means the choice of Systainers is way more restrictive. You can only use 3, and those three must add up. You cannot replace one big Systainer for two smaller ones.

You can however use different combos. Eg 137+337+437 or 237+237+437 or 237+337+337


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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #142 on: Yesterday at 01:31 PM »

You can make the MFT height with a SYS(-TL) 2 + the equivalent of 7 Sys1's. That ends up being 899.5mm (the MFT being 900) == the same. Those 7 Sys1's can be anything from actually 7x1, or a 5 + 4. Or 2+2+5 or ....

But with the new system you can never get as close to 900 as the old system.

Closest I can come up with is a set of 3 Systainer3's then you get to 897mm;
eg; 137+337+437. Replace '7' with '0', add it all up and add one set of feet (7mm); 130+330+430+7=897

This means the choice of Systainers is way more restrictive. You can only use 3, and those three must add up. You cannot replace one big Systainer for two smaller ones.

You can however use different combos. Eg 137+337+437 or 237+237+437 or 237+337+337

I think I found a combo that works with the new Systainers:
Systainer³ SYS3 M 337 (337-7)=330
Systainer³ SYS3 M 137 (137-7)=130
Systainer³ SYS3 M 112 Feet Included
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Total=900




Offline Coen

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #143 on: Yesterday at 04:38 PM »

You can make the MFT height with a SYS(-TL) 2 + the equivalent of 7 Sys1's. That ends up being 899.5mm (the MFT being 900) == the same. Those 7 Sys1's can be anything from actually 7x1, or a 5 + 4. Or 2+2+5 or ....

But with the new system you can never get as close to 900 as the old system.

Closest I can come up with is a set of 3 Systainer3's then you get to 897mm;
eg; 137+337+437. Replace '7' with '0', add it all up and add one set of feet (7mm); 130+330+430+7=897

This means the choice of Systainers is way more restrictive. You can only use 3, and those three must add up. You cannot replace one big Systainer for two smaller ones.

You can however use different combos. Eg 137+337+437 or 237+237+437 or 237+337+337

I think I found a combo that works with the new Systainers:
Systainer³ SYS3 M 337 (337-7)=330
Systainer³ SYS3 M 137 (137-7)=130
Systainer³ SYS3 M 112 Feet Included
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Systainer³ Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 (89-7)=82
Total=900

Haha nice one. Somehow I thought the Organizers couldn't be locked together.  [unsure]

Just bought two steel cases with boxes for screws based on that assumption  [eek]

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #144 on: Yesterday at 05:38 PM »
FYI I was able to order from Axminster successfully. I half expected the order to be canceled or to be delayed, but to my surprise and delight it only took 3 days from ordering to delivery from the UK to US (midwest)