Not long ago a tradesman truck or shop was just a dump of steel and blow mold cases. Now we write illustrated essays on tool boxes and people get emotionally traumatized when a case handle protruding by 2 mm breaks the harmony of their perfectly color and height coordinated stack.

Yaaaaaa...isn’t progress a thing of beauty.

I first mentioned this almost a year ago when the first SYS³ Systainers were released.

Quiet stack...an old one on the top and the new one on the bottom with it's handle snapped into the closed position.

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Klack stack...the new one on the top with the handle free to move because the T-loc latch on the lower Systainer prevents the handle from snapping into the closed position.

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Over bumps, around corners, braking, pot holes, you name it...klack, klack, klack, klack....I finally pulled over and took off one of my gloves and wrapped it around the noisy handle.

You are supposed to use the Bott mountaing in the van he 

Quote from: demographic on December 18, 2020, 03:36 PM

Then they chuck that idea in the bin and are surprised when everyone who bought into that idea is irritated by their change away from it?

Can't be the sharpest tools in the box can they.?

Are they surprised? I’m not sure where you got that idea. I suspect they’re well aware that a small portion of their customers will be irritated by the change. They’ve clearly made a decision about what features are more important to them (and what they’re willing to sacrifice) in light of their plans for systainers in the future.

Well, since none of the people that were involved with these decisions ever voice any such consideration in public... you never know.

Personally I like the idea that these new systainers work well as drawers...

That's the thing though, they're not drawers at all. Drawers can be opened and accessed, the Bott system is a rack. Now a Systainer has to be removed entirely in order to access the contents. If the Bott rails functioned as a drawer, I think they'd have a lot more appeal. But as it is it seems as if they gave up a lot of system specific functionality to gain glaringly little. We're to roll our carts (Sys Rolls, MW 1000s) to the van only to have to remove each and every individual Systainer and install it on it's each and individual Bott rail?? The whole system seems to create otherwise unnessecary work. I don't get it.   

Quote from: demographic on December 18, 2020, 03:36 PM

Personally I like the idea that these new systainers work well as drawers...

That's the thing though, they're not drawers at all. Drawers can be opened and accessed, the Bott system is a rack. Now a Systainer has to be removed entirely in order to access the contents. If the Bott rails functioned as a drawer, I think they'd have a lot more appeal. But as it is it seems as if they gave up a lot of system specific functionality to gain glaringly little. We're to roll our carts (Sys Rolls, MW 1000s) to the van only to have to remove each and every individual Systainer and install it on it's each and individual Bott rail?? The whole system seems to create otherwise unnessecary work. I don't get it.

The only thing the new systainer design ‘breaks’ is the stacking height system. Apart from that, they do everything the same but in addition will work in van racking. Being ‘rackable’ doesn’t meant you have to rack them.

If you want to wheel your loaded MW1000 to your van and just strap it straight in, then that’s what you do.

The only thing the new systainer design ‘breaks’ is the stacking height system.

I wouldn't go so far as 'broken', but there are some bugs. In the design's defense I'd offer the new hinge. That adds a lot of strength to the stack. But that front handle... ugh. Is there a recommended way to remove it yet?

"On the smaller units the handle mars with the latch of the below Systainer regardless which type it is."

Thanks for that.

When I buy my next FT I will have to consider selling the Sys3 and replace it with an appropriate size T-Loc to to maintain symmetry with all my other Systainers.

My thought exactly...was just thinking last night about my next purchase and looked up to confirm that it still came in a regular Systainer.

The SYS³ Org is slick for small fasteners and the like and the SYS³ XXL is also nice but that's where it ends.

If you put a Sys3 latch on the T-lok Sys below then the Sys3 handle would close?

No, that is not the case.

With the smallest (2 sizes?) of Sys3 there simply isn’t room on the front of the Systainer for the handle to not overlap the T-Loc latch of the Systainer below (if the latch is in the locking/connecting orientation)

To my investigation it doesn’t matter what kind of T-loc Latch/Systainer is underneath. They all affect it the same.

Dunno about anyone else but I wouldnt complain too hard if they were made out of better plastic as well.ABS is kind of brittle. Don't get me wrong, its been fine for a few years Ive had T-Loc boxes but its still fairly junk plastic isn't it?
Was quite impressed by the Milwaukee Packout boxes I saw today. Tough plastic, waterproof seal, decent  size and solid cart.

I don't like the height change, and am dissapointed they took out the side labeling cards.  I liked making 3 duplicate picture cards so that I could identify a box from 3/4 sides.

I do like the new sys rolls better than the old ones.  For me, I think the big advantage of the new line is that they are taking the "L" (MIDI) size more seriously.  I also like that the toolbox will be open instead of divided in two and not have the handle sticking up all the time.  I find the handle just makes them store worse, because I have nothing permanently in my existing T-LOC style toolboxes, I just dump job-specific things that won't fit into a normal Systainer in there; but when they are on the shelf waiting for something it takes up extra space, and is harder to unstack.

The rails don't hurt or do anything for me.  I like the SYS-AZ, because I can access the contents while they are in my sysports.   I would like them to introduce SYS-AZs that fit the SYS3 L and MIDI.

And now the tool is in a bigger Sys, that takes yet more space in the cabinet

Quote from: Coen on December 21, 2020, 12:34 AM

And now the tool is in a bigger Sys, that takes yet more space in the cabinet

It's not really about "more space", it's about random heights that do not fit the "unit" sizes.

In general I like the changes, just not the heights not working out that irritates me. Especially when Festool themselves have made such a thing of it over the years.
The drawer slide things are great, the front handle seems a good idea to me so its not all bad, its more or less there on the design front.
Just sort the height issue and we're golden.

T loc 2? would have signaled the next generation much better w/o reusing an existing name.
The idea that there is a size of T loc called Sys3 an the following with the next generation calling it Sys3  is confusing.

I've been thinking of drinking the Tanos kool-aid as I organize a new shop. I appreciate the pictures of the different sizes and hearing all the gripes. I have a question about the sys3 line. I don't see the combi boxes. Will one like this be coming?

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/tanos-t-loc-sys-combi-iii-systainer-anthracite?via=573621f669702d06760016d6%2C576455ee69702d3c42000be6