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Offline fixerforhire

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Systainer for Hot Mud?
« on: November 06, 2020, 06:39 AM »
Is there a Systainer that I could dump a bag of hot mud in that wouldn't leak all over my van?  I currently use a home depot bucket with a lid but would love to be able to stack it with my other Systainers.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2020, 06:48 AM »
I'm not familiar with hot mud, makes me think of a spa treatment but given the context of the forum I'm guessing that is not what you are doing.

The systainers are complete molded units in the bottom shell, as you may know.  Would a SYS-IV or V give you enough capacity?  Do you expect sloshing around such that you need a sealed lid?    That would be where the systainer isn't the same as a bucket.  Perhaps something could be done with foam though.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2020, 07:45 AM »
With hot mud, you mean drywall compound as a powder? Any systainer can store that safely, the lid closes firmly enough. Though the classic systainers are a lot better at that than the T-Locs. I have no experience with the new Systainer3 yet.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2020, 09:05 AM »
Yes, just powered form of joint compound.  I just can't imagine the seal on a normal systainer would keep dust out of my van...everytime you stopped short you would be covered in dust? 

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2020, 09:16 AM »
I don't think it would be a problem. The seal of the lid isn't watertight, but it is tight enough to keep dust in.

If you already have a bunch of systainers, why not try it out with a sys1 or sys2 ? Fill a sys2 with compound, wrap it in a garbage bag and drive around with it for a while, and see if anything spills.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2020, 10:11 AM »
If you decide to go this route I would suggest using a bag inside the Systainer to hold the powder.  In case of a humidity or water issue, cleanup would be easier.

Just a thought.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2020, 10:13 AM »
I was just thinking something similar, why not line the systainer with a bag that you can fold over on top.  Protection from moisture as Peter said, and just another line of defense on the dust. 

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2020, 10:33 AM »
sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees!  I will give it a shot with a bag.super simple solution and I get rid of yet another bucket!

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2020, 10:50 AM »
I don't think it's a good idea. Systainers are to flimsy for anything over 15-20 lb. In addition loose material will cause flat sides of the box to bulge preventing the lid from closing.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2020, 10:59 AM »
Systainer3 are more rigid and support in this case.  I'd be up for trying some sort of bulge test.  Hmmm...how about a systainer full of water?

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2020, 11:32 AM »
I work with plaster every day, the systainer can hold that weight easily, and it is also very easy to clean a systainer from plaster because it does not stick well on plastic. I would never bother with a bag inside the systainer, that will only get in the way.


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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2020, 05:10 PM »
It would not stack, but have you considered a military surplus box?  Most ammo boxes would be too small, (maybe a mortar ammo box as your mortar plaster box?) but I have a box that had some type of precision instrument in it that would probably hold over five gallons.  The lid is rubber sealed, has four lock-downs and easily recognized.  I think if you threw this in a river and pulled it back out the powder would still be dried.  My box is Vietnam era or earlier but I assume the later ones are still rubber sealed.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2020, 07:17 AM »
How many systainer are you going to dedicate to this? I just did a tub surround and it has almost 60lbs of mud troweled up for the desired texture. I couldn’t imagine doing this with systainers.
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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2020, 01:45 AM »
Is there a Systainer that I could dump a bag of hot mud in that wouldn't leak all over my van?  I currently use a home depot bucket with a lid but would love to be able to stack it with my other Systainers.
why would you want to store setting compound (hot mud in a systainer) it’s a powder best to keep it in the sack. Store it in a thicker garbage bag, then use a 5gallon bucket with a lid. For premix red dot all purpose I use smaller 2 1/2 gallon buckets with lids and so I don’t have to drag around 80 pound bucket 🪣. Hot mud needs to get tossed after a short amount of time 6-12 months? It tends to get lumpy, dries quickly and skims out poorly. I use the 20 minute mud, but I’m switching to 45 or 90 min for the workability...

Offline RobS888

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2020, 12:00 PM »
I just bought 2 extra large Dewalt tough cases (DWST08204) for $44 each on Amazon. They have a seal and a air vent to relieve pressure on top. They are very large boxes and could take a lot of weight and a lot of abuse. If you are looking for an easier carry than a bag these could work.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2020, 04:43 PM »
So, the whole "hot mud" thing still baffles me, but if your talking a powder, how about this for an idea.

Buy the CT SYS cyclone, they sell extra bins for it.   Put the powder in the bins, use it to built a stack of the stuff.  And then you have the cyclone for sanding it back down.   Bring powder in in the bins, take powder out in the bins.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2020, 04:22 PM »
I'm a drywall mudder and carpenter.  I have the planex and self cleaning vacuum.  I would not use a systainer for drymud.  If the dust gets out of the bag, it would be very difficult to get out of the nooks and crannys of the systainer.  A better way would be the containers used in the CT Cycolne Pre-separator.  These are used to carry drywall dust from the jobsite to disposal bins.

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2020, 04:46 PM »
If the dust gets out of the bag, it would be very difficult to get out of the nooks and crannys of the systainer.

Just clean the systainer under the shower, every last speck of dust just washes away.

Offline acer66

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2020, 06:25 PM »
If there is any chance that the box will be exposed to moisture or even high humidity I would use a dewalt box.
Another benefit of a water tight box like the dewalt is they will keep the mud dust better inside when bounced around.
I know hot mud ist not like drywall dust which is one of the worst but it is close. 

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Re: Systainer for Hot Mud?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2020, 05:12 PM »
I bought 3 ammo boxes from Harbor Freight.  One for 5, 20/45.  I only do small patchwork so these boxes are the perfect solution for me...easy enough to keep larger bags in my basement and just top off the boxes as need in the van.