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SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« on: February 16, 2021, 12:35 PM »
Hi all,
Long-time lurker and proud Festool owner. I just received my first SYS3 organizer and wanted to share some files for anyone interested in 3D printing their own sorting bins.

As of this posting I've only made the small 50x50 bin, printing it last night and inspecting it this morning. I think it worked out really well. Cheers & enjoy!

50x50 Bin .STL File

Image links:
Fusion 360 model of a 50x50 bin
3D Bin next to a Festool Bin
Notes (for those that are interested):
This is my interpretation of the bin, its not going to be the same as what you'd get from Festool. The actual bin has some rounded chamfers/filets around the inside bottom edges, which Fusion 360 told me were too complex when I tried making my own. The top 14mm faces of the bins are vertical, while the Festool ones are very slightly angled. This doesn't appear to alter their functionality. I did incorporate the very slight angling in the bottom section, though I don't think that's really required either, as it leaves a slight stepping pattern when FDM printing. The bevelled cutouts where the labels go did not come out very crisply, but they are there. I do not own any Festool labels (204949) so I'm not certain if they fit properly. The holes on the sides (for hanging? or a lid?...maybe something for me to tinker with...) are a bit different, as I extruded them all the way through for simplicity, when the actual bin is only extruded through the "top section".. not sure if this is a clear explanation, but I expect will work just fine. The lip at the bottom of the top 14mm is a hard edge, which my slicer added supports to. A more efficient design (for 3D printing) would have 45-degree angled edges to save plastic/require less support (I'll work on a more efficient version, different sizes, and some custom ones, stay tuned... will post here)

P.S. This is my first attempt at using a Google Drive to share a file link, let me know if it works or not.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2021, 02:51 PM »
A slightly more FDM friendly version of the 50x50 SYS3 bin
(less supports required)

50x50 Bin (FDM friendlier)

Notes: 45-degree chamfers added where appropriate, though the corners and holes (which were slightly modified) likely still require supports.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2021, 04:48 PM »
A slightly more FDM friendly version of the 50x50 SYS3 bin
(less supports required)

50x50 Bin (FDM friendlier)

Notes: 45-degree chamfers added where appropriate, though the corners and holes (which were slightly modified) likely still require supports.
Did you consider re-designing the bin, e.g. a more gradual thickening bottom to top and skipping the "collar". If you do not plan to maintain the holes for hanging capability, I do not believe the "collar" style top is really needed to be the way it is on the original.

I think compatible-but-FDM-optimized bins may be more useful for general use. One can even make "1.5 Festool module" sizes etc. which are currently not available, increasing the appeal.
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2021, 05:47 PM »
Great suggestion mino, thanks! :)
I'll make a no-frills, stream-lined version of each size for even easier printing (no collar, no holes, no differing thickness for the label). I like the 1.5 idea too and was already thinking of a 0.5 version (25x50) for those even less plentiful items. Stay tuned.


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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2021, 07:36 PM »
Very nice!  What printer do you have?

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2021, 08:49 PM »
I like this.  Thanks for the STLs.

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2021, 09:02 PM »
Very nice!  What printer do you have?
Thank-you! I have a PRUSA MK3 & MK3S and use PRUSA Slicer

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2021, 07:06 AM »
This is a very interesting thread, thanks!
I was just in the process of making my own system for bins/drawers based on the previous style of boxes when I realized that there is a new system out. Kind of got cold feet on the whole thing already with possible future updates from Festool.
There is a guy that has made his own system for bins/storage as well:
http://www.youtube.com/c/achappel
It is great in that he has a whole workshop built around it, but for me with a lot of Festool already, I would like the Systainers to be the central part.

Also, I think that for general bins, I would rather buy them in bulk than to print them, but would like to print out speciality bins for particular tools.

I will try your print first of all, looks great, maybe I could help out with the modelling of the other sizes and help to come up with a more space efficient version?

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2021, 12:49 PM »
It printed up great, thanks  [thumbs up]
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2021, 04:12 PM »
Ha, that's awesome! thanks for sharing. ...and I have seen Alex Chappel's stuff too; he's killing it.

I've now got a version of the 50x50, 50x100 and 100x100 dubbed the "Streamliners", that are without frills yet retain the identical footprint and the same top measurements (and otherwise indistinguishable when in the SYS3).

SYS3 50x50 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x100 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 100x100 Streamliner Bin
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Notes: I've brightened up this image so you can make out the differences a bit better. They feel relatively smooth in my hand, but the picture makes the layer lines really stand out...though I may have to tweak my printer... anyways, enjoy! and more to follow.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2021, 02:31 AM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2021, 10:12 AM »
How long does it take to print one of the bins?  Material cost?


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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2021, 11:02 AM »
Great question Seth.

The 50x50 Streamliner prints in 4h5m and costs $0.85
The 50x50 FDM Friendlier prints in 4h24m and costs $0.82
The 50x50 Bin from Festool (Lee Valley) costs $2.80

The slight savings on the FDM friendly version is due to the wall thickness being closer to the actual bin; the Streamliner has slightly thicker walls. Infill density doesn't really affect the build time given how the thin walls are. They are largely 100% filled anyways.
All costs are based on a generic roll of 2kg PLA from www.filaments.ca @ $58.95 Canadian
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2021, 11:34 AM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

I'm keen to do more custom ones as well. I just got the SYS3 within the last week and thought I'd start with something I know I'll use and then branch out. On that note... these aren't too much of a stretch , but...
25x50 SYS3 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x75 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x100 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x125 Streamliner Bin

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Notes: I run all these files through the online Netfabb .STL repair service to ensure they are manifold and watertight. The 25x50 and 25x125 kept timing out.. I printed a set of the 25x50's last night and they came out great though

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2021, 11:41 AM »
Those "halve sized" bins are really cool!

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2021, 12:09 PM »
Some other sizes:
SYS3 50x150 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 100x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 200x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x350 Streamliner Bin

Notes: I think the 50x250 and 50x350 bins will be useful as they take up the full width and length of the SYS3 (good for tools, etc.), but my print bed isn't big enough. I'll have a friend print the 50x250 tonight and post a pic tomorrow if all goes well.

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2021, 12:10 PM »
Those "halve sized" bins are really cool!

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Oliver
Thanks Oliver! :)

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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2021, 04:35 PM »
Here's my attempt at the rails. These definitely won't fit on my printer, but I'll slice them in half (and glue them) and give them a try tomorrow. Festool uses glass reinforced PolyMide (nylon) for their rails, so I'd suggest something stronger than PLA if you're 3D printing them.
Cheers!

SYS3 Rails .STL File

Notes: The SYS3-SN/4 rails are embossed with width dimensions for mounting. Inner carcass width for the "M" size is 418mm (16-29/64in), the "L" is 530mm (20-55/64in) and they recommend a 13mm (33/64in) gap from the top and bottom of any rack or cabinet you're installing them in.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2021, 05:26 PM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

I LOVE the idea of making a drawer insert/floor to house the bins simnick!! Stay tuned...

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2021, 05:58 PM »
Was this what you were thinking of simnick? (this is just a small test size for my initial printing)
I really appreciate the idea.. I know Alex did something similar, but it took me reading your message again before the light bulb really clicked in my head [laughing]

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2021, 06:03 PM »
How long does it take to print a bin?  Also the bottom mat?  I guessing it takes so time.

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2021, 06:28 PM »
How long does it take to print a bin?  Also the bottom mat?  I guessing it takes so time.
It took me just over 4h to print one 50x50 bin ghjaxman. According to my slicer program it would take 5h32m to print a 9x9 grid of the bottom mat, as in the picture... just thinking as I'm typing but a small MC-Escher-style puzzle piece, that locks together on all four sides might be a good way to go... then anyone can print out however many they'd need to fill up their drawers... EUREKA! back to the drawing board ;D... the floor of the SYS3 ORG would also make a great silicone mold, that you could use to make flexible/roll up mats to hold the bins in your drawers or workbench tops... I had previously wanted to make an MFT/3 sized silicone mat so both may be in the cards in the future...

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2021, 07:00 PM »
An individual LEGO-brick style floor mat (though in this case it uses 45-degree shallow triangles, which require no supports in an FDM print). A drop of glue could be used at the intersections of the triangles if you wanted it to remain rigid...   will print out a few to test... then could make some edge trim in various sizes to "lock" it in better in your drawer...any other ideas appreciated!


...strips of these printed in 2x4 lengths, or whatever conveniently fits on a 3D print bed might be a better option as well... just spitballin...

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2021, 09:50 PM »
My biggest complaint about Festool’s (or Bott’s I guess) bins is that there is no even bin configuration to allow for symmetry in the Systainer. The Systainer is 7 bins (50mm bins) by 5 bins (50mm bins). 7 and 5 are not divisible by 2 or 3. I made a custom domino assortment in the new Sys 3 Org but it’s tough to pick the boxes out because there are only a few combinations of larger size boxes that can fit in the Systainer.

This configuration allows me to store essentially the same Dominos that come in the 4/5/6/8/10 assortment in a much more compact Systainer. 89mm vs. 157.5mm that a Sys 2 takes up.


Could you design bins that divide the Sys 3 Org into 6 compartments, 4 compartments, 3 compartments, and 2 compartments?
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2021, 10:06 PM »
These are a few examples of how I would like to see the bins made. The 3 and 6 bin combinations would fall in the middle of the grid squares and would require notching to work. The four dividers would be simple enough to make. I don’t know why Bott and Tanos didn’t think of making some even combinations.


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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2021, 12:39 PM »
Absolutely! I'll make them right now  :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2021, 01:00 PM »
Looks like you really dont need the helping hand with modelling at least, this is going really fast and well. Fantastic job!
I am still a bit on the fence when it comes to switching over to the new bins/system but have to say that it is tempting to make the jump. Of course, the current line of Systainers will get all the upgrades/development, and not the previous generation.

Have a look at how Alex chappel makes several layers of bins as well.
It does not seem like the new Systainers have boxes with the combined lid and drawer underneath like the prevous generation has [yet].
I really like these for storing a machine plus supplies:
https://www.festool.com/accessory/200118---sys-combi-3

Are you printing the bins standing upright and with no support material?
My Ender 5 did not make a good bottom doing is without support. [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ]

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Edit:
I think your mats looks very good. Will be perfect in home made drawers.
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2021, 02:26 PM »
Absolutely! I'll make them right now  :)

Thanks :)

Great job on all your bins so far! I really like the simplicity of the streamliner bins.

If Festool were really smart they would make some bins with insertable dividers for Dominos like they do with their Sys 2 Domino bins. You could have a business with your bins my friend :)

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2021, 02:39 PM »
I checked out your website.  What kind of 3D printer do you have.  I have looked at them for years but I have thought of buying one until now.  Thoughts?

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2021, 02:49 PM »
These should work edwarmr (and thank-you!), though to be certain I'll get a set of the 83.3x175's on my printer ASAP (that should also prove that the 83.3x350's will work).
My printer can't fit a full 350mm, so if anyone prints one, let me know how it turned out!
SYS3 125x175 Streamliner Bin
The next couple require an Edge and a Middle; they are embossed with an "E" and "M" in the center
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE

EDIT: The 83.3x175 and 83.3x350 MIDDLE bins were corrected on Feb.26, 2021. If you downloaded them prior to this date please replace them! Cheers, BK
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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2021, 03:02 PM »
I checked out your website.  What kind of 3D printer do you have.  I have looked at them for years but I have thought of buying one until now.  Thoughts?
Thanks ghjaxman! Just starting on YouTube :). I'll get all these files on the site in the "free" section as well. I have a PRUSA MK3 and love it, but would prefer a bigger build plate now. A friend has an Artillery Sidewinder and is very happy with it. The PRUSA printed 77 days straight (it tracks the data; and that's 24hrs a day BTW) before I had an issue (of my own doing). It has been a workhorse and I have no complaints, besides the size of the build plate (you can work around that too, by slicing a project and then gluing it back together afterwards).

The best thing I've done 3D printing-wise though is learning Fusion360. I know Bob Clagett and others have woodworking-focused Fusion 360 courses available for a fee, but I used Kevin Kennedy's free YouTube "course" (I'm not sure it's still set up as "Learn Fusion 360 in 30 Days" - it only takes 5 days if you're cramming [laughing]).

After the lessons I made a bunch of hobby station modules (because I wanted to make my own version of this: HobbyZone Modular Workshop System); lots of mistakes and "learning-on-the-job", but now it feels intuitive.

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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2021, 03:10 PM »
FYI: The small square puzzle piece drawer bottoms/mats work fine, but the small pyramidal bits that ensure they align correctly aren't really big enough to give a good registration... I think printing them in larger sheets will prove more effective.. will fill my print bed with them once the set of 83.3x175's are printed (22hrs from now).

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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2021, 03:52 PM »
A very interesting thread... [big grin]

Have you tested the Festool-like version to see how well small parts stay inside the boxes when the Systainer is turned upside down?


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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2021, 05:06 PM »
A very interesting thread... [big grin]

Have you tested the Festool-like version to see how well small parts stay inside the boxes when the Systainer is turned upside down?


I just did, with an equal number of varying sizes in each. The thinnest washers I own are brass and 0.9mm (I don't own any of those super tiny ones) and both the Festool and the Festool-like performed equally well (none came out). Then I tried with some confetti and the Festool had an escapee before the Festool-like version, but I'd chalk that up to chance [laughing]

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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2021, 05:29 PM »
Looks like you really dont need the helping hand with modelling at least, this is going really fast and well. Fantastic job!
I am still a bit on the fence when it comes to switching over to the new bins/system but have to say that it is tempting to make the jump. Of course, the current line of Systainers will get all the upgrades/development, and not the previous generation.

Have a look at how Alex chappel makes several layers of bins as well.
It does not seem like the new Systainers have boxes with the combined lid and drawer underneath like the prevous generation has [yet].
I really like these for storing a machine plus supplies:
https://www.festool.com/accessory/200118---sys-combi-3

Are you printing the bins standing upright and with no support material?
My Ender 5 did not make a good bottom doing is without support. (Attachment Link)

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Edit:
I think your mats looks very good. Will be perfect in home made drawers.

Sorry Svirre! I blew past your offer to lend a hand with the modelling when I read the post the first time.

Ahh, I'm looking at that Systainer with the integrated Sortainer from your link. Those ARE cool.

Let me watch Alex's video again.. some nesting options would be a neat idea too.
EDIT: Oh man, I didn't realize he'd basically made a bunch of SYS3 Organizers out of wood and his 3D-printed boxes already, ha ha! cool.

I'm printing them right-side up WITH support to ensure those bottom features stay intact.. those bottom features themselves are only 4mm tall, so not much support is required but I'm sure there's an even slicker version that could be devised.

EDIT: Just checked some details because I was curious; the 50x50 with supports uses 11.23m of filament and takes 4hr5m for $0.85CAD vs. no supports (which I don't think will print successfully) which uses 10.72m of filament, takes 3hr53m for $0.81CAD
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2021, 06:49 PM »
These should work edwarmr (and thank-you!), though to be certain I'll get a set of the 83.3x175's on my printer ASAP (that should also prove that the 83.3x350's will work).
My printer can't fit a full 350mm, so if anyone prints one, let me know how it turned out!
SYS3 125x175 Streamliner Bin
The next couple require an Edge and a Middle; they are embossed with an "E" and "M" in the center
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE

They look great! I’m looking forward to seeing how the 83.3x175 bins turn out from your printer. Thanks for all your work!

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2021, 07:37 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2021, 07:57 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2021, 08:03 PM »
The other more complicated option would be the inner supports and small notches seen in this Domino tenon bin. I’m not sure how difficult that would be to make though.


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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2021, 04:15 AM »
BK Makes, you are on fire! So much great stuff. Yeah, that base grid is exactly what I was thinking of.
Now I either need to buy a 3d printer, or get my very quarantine cautious friend to make some for me.

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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2021, 07:49 AM »
Loving the 25x50 Streamliner Bin, they are a great addition

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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2021, 10:53 AM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2021, 11:06 AM »
BK Makes, you are on fire! So much great stuff. Yeah, that base grid is exactly what I was thinking of.
Now I either need to buy a 3d printer, or get my very quarantine cautious friend to make some for me.
[big grin] thank you! No regrets here, and they're getting a lot more affordable and feature-packed these days. Plus my kids (well, mostly me, ha ha) love getting Star Wars guns and stuff made from them.

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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2021, 11:08 AM »
Loving the 25x50 Streamliner Bin, they are a great addition
oh man, I'm stoked that they're getting used. Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate it!

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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2021, 02:45 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

I know there are shorter Domino tenon bins for the DF 500 connector set that fits in a Sys 1. Those bins would probably be comparable in height to the 68mm of the Sys 3 Org bins. Unfortunately I don’t have the Sys 1 Domino tenon bins so I can’t measure :(

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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2021, 03:28 PM »
Yup.. they're ~109mm tall, while the bins in the KV-SYS D8 (connector set) are 56mm...

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2021, 03:45 PM »
The first divider came out well, but was too tight a fit (the two green circles in the photo show where the label bevels come out about ~0.7mm further from the edge, causing the pinch.. they work pretty good though. The thin brass washer would not move from one side to the other on the bottom, or the bottom-sides, but as it gets closer to the top it sneaks under. That's due to the slight tapering of the bin sides; I made the dividers straight (and will fix).. because of the tight fit, removing it with force snapped the divider off at the intersection with the"plug" part.. it's only 2mm thick there, but if it fit more loosely it likely wouldn't be an issue...(EDIT: I'm adding a chamfer to beef it up)
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2021, 04:45 PM »
Have you tested the Festool-like container...
I just did, with an equal number of varying sizes in each. The thinnest washers I own are brass and 0.9mm (I don't own any of those super tiny ones) and both the Festool and the Festool-like performed equally well (none came out). Then I tried with some confetti and the Festool had an escapee before the Festool-like version, but I'd chalk that up to chance [laughing]

FWIW...When I did my testing I chose #4 internal tooth lock washers as the worst case. They're small in diameter and only about 1 mm thick. Chances are anything else that will be placed in the boxes will be larger than the #4 washer.




I threw about 100 of the washers in a single box in the middle of a grouping.




I closed the cover and turned the Systainer upside down and shook it 10 times in all directions. After opening it up not a single washer had migrated to another box. You can see some washers standing on the ledge inside the box, that's as far as they got.


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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2021, 06:34 PM »
Ha, great test Cheese! They look small enough to squirt out the hole where the plastic label cover goes :)

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2021, 10:52 PM »
Festool 50x50 Bin Divider works, though not sure how useful it will be relative to a pair of 25x50 Bins

SYS3 ORG 50x50 Vertical Bin Divider .STL File

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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2021, 05:25 AM »
I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later

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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2021, 11:48 AM »
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.
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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2021, 10:07 AM »
I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later
Correct!

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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2021, 10:35 AM »
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.

I agree with you; the practicality of the dividers themselves in a 50x50 bin is a bit questionable.., maybe you could use it to organize the mid-length style of hex bits if you were still able to grab the tips... (??).. the version that has a bottom and divides the bin horizontally may be a bit more practical, but I think the 25x50 would likely still be a better option.

On the inclusion of "collars", just doing a ultra scientific "wiggle test" they both seem to perform similarly. I think that's mainly due to the bottoms, which are largely identical. While they are flush at their tops though, I think you're also correct in that including a vertical section at the top (even for half or more than half the height?) would both provide slightly better support/alignment and definitely more room within the bin. The transition between the vertical side and the sloped side would also be smooth as you've said.. so Streamliner V2 perhaps?

I'll do up a 75x75 in a V2 format and post ASAP.. had to tweak my printer's layer height slightly over the weekend and getting much cleaner large prints now and want to get the 4x4 "mat", and 83.3x175 bins printed first (tested the adjustments on a 100x150 nested tray, which I'll post after this).

I'm going to have to google what a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system is... it sounds like a big upgrade!
Thanks for sharing too, I like how we can make iterative improvements together here.
Very cool! :)

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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2021, 10:46 AM »
Tried out a 100x150 tray last night that nests into the existing bins (dividing it roughly in half horizontally). It uses the existing label cutouts as registration points, and also provides space to stick a label. The underside of the "label" portion is at a 45-degree angle (and can be used as the lip to lift them out easily), so the only supports needed are along the edges.

As with the original 50x50 divider I was a bit too tight on my dimensions and need to shave the "label holder" portions so it drops in more easily, so will correct before posting the .STL file.

I would expect this size to be a bit more useful.. I'll also taper the sides or take them straight to the top of the bin to clean it up a bit.. that ledge that is created doesn't need to be there..

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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2021, 11:28 AM »
I'm going to have to google what a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system is... it sounds like a big upgrade!
Ah no upgrade ... just cheap-enough I could buy a couple tens of them for full-selection screw storage.

I hate it when miss a screw size and have to waste an hour going to a shop for 10 cents worth of screws. Not to mention if that happens off-hours or during lockdown like these days..

Reference:
https://www.prosperplast.com/tool-boxes-organisers/2024-organizer-nor-p.html

These are basically unbeatable on price over here. But that comes with caveats as they are nowhere as sturdy as the Festool ones, do not interlock, etc., etc. Good-enough for shop use though.
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2021, 12:41 PM »
@BK Makes

You should sell your bins, for real! They look super nice :) You could even do them in Festool Green PLA. I’m excited to see how the 83.3x175 bins turn out. Personally I think the lip in the Festool bins (or Bott I should say) takes up valuable space so I prefer your streamliner design. As an example, common domino sizes are 8x50mm, 10x50mm, 8x100mm, 10x100mm, etc. The 50x50 stock bins are only 50mm at they very top so at the bottom they will not fit a 50mm domino lengthwise. The 100x100 bins are the same. They are only 100mm at the very top so they won’t fit a 100mm long domino lengthwise. I think they would just fit in your streamliner bins. That’s a big plus for me.

One question: What is the purpose of the bin within a bin design? It seems to me it would just reduce your storage space. It does look really cool though :)

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2021, 01:28 PM »
I think the bin within bin (two layers) would be good for items that need surface area but not depth. There by getting more separation in the same space. Or even double layer multi compartment bins similar to Racko.

Rather than dividers in the small bins , I would just make extra small bins. 25 x 25, 25 x 50. Much easier to remove and dump a small bin than to get something out of it.

One note on selling these, etc.  That would not be acceptable on FOG for anything other than custom sizes. And depending on Festools thoughts maybe not the custom sizes either.  This would come under the competing product research and marketing portion of the FOG rules and ultimately Festools discretion.

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2021, 02:07 PM »
Printed a divider yesterday, printed fine and fitted ok. As you say, not sure how practical it is. Think I will stick with printing 25 x 50 bins instead.

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2021, 02:14 PM »
I think for the dividers to be really useful they would have to be similar in style to the dominos bin. That gives you adjustability much like you get with shelf pins in cabinets.

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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2021, 04:00 PM »
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You should sell your bins, for real! They look super nice :) You could even do them in Festool Green PLA. I’m excited to see how the 83.3x175 bins turn out. Personally I think the lip in the Festool bins (or Bott I should say) takes up valuable space so I prefer your streamliner design. As an example, common domino sizes are 8x50mm, 10x50mm, 8x100mm, 10x100mm, etc. The 50x50 stock bins are only 50mm at they very top so at the bottom they will not fit a 50mm domino lengthwise. The 100x100 bins are the same. They are only 100mm at the very top so they won’t fit a 100mm long domino lengthwise. I think they would just fit in your streamliner bins. That’s a big plus for me.

One question: What is the purpose of the bin within a bin design? It seems to me it would just reduce your storage space. It does look really cool though :)

Very kind of you to say so!  :) though I have no intention of selling plans for anything I end up making. Oooh, Festool-green PLA might have to be ordered though [laughing], I love that idea!

Hmmm... the Streamliner as its currently designed has the same slightly smaller base as the Bott bins, so that may not give you what you're after. I could go slightly larger, but the midpoint of the square lines that run along the bottom of the SYS3 ORG are 50mm, the wall thickness of those lines then slightly eats into the potential widths, as will the thickness of the bins themselves...gonna go grab a 50mm Domino and check things out up close..(the 30mm Domino I just measured is only 28mm.. but I also live in a very dry area)
EDIT: My 50mm Domino is 48.3mm, but still won't fit lengthwise in either bin just given the wall thickness of the bins themselves

I was going to use the bin-within-the-bin for flat, not as numerous things.. Like a pair of mini c-clip pliers in the tray and a pile of c-clips in the bin or a bunch of mini-hemostats that I used to use for modelmaking on top and a few reversed clothepins or those flat, elastic-using plastic clamps on the bottom.. I just have so much random odds and ends in my existing bin drawers that I'm sure I'd be able to use them in some fashion.

I agree with you on the dividers.. they're not ideal in their existing form. As Seth and daz9100 said as well, the 25mm sizes are likely the preferred alternative.
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« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2021, 11:30 AM »
So the 83.3x175 Bins do work (at least the "Edge's" do, I'm sure the "Middle's" will as well), though I'm having some warping issues with my prints (green circles in the photos). Typically that's due to a draft or temperature differences in the layers, though I moved my printer out of my garage and that didn't solve it. I'll try printing the Middle section with a hotter bed temperature and a slower fan speed, which should solve it.

In the picture are the bottom sections of two prints I stopped after noticing the warping, and one full bin. I'd note that the .STL file is fine, the warping is only due to my print settings.


The 4x4 "drawer bottoms" in the top right of the picture came out great (though also slightly warped on the corner...same issue). The "wiggle test" proved identical to the SYS3 ORG, though I think some higher, and thicker walls around the edges might be in order if they aren't going to be flush against your drawer sides (I'll whip up a 4x1 square with a taller/thicker edge)

SYS3-like 200x200 Drawer Bottoms

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« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2021, 11:19 PM »
snip

One note on selling these, etc.  That would not be acceptable on FOG for anything other than custom sizes. And depending on Festools thoughts maybe not the custom sizes either.  This would come under the competing product research and marketing portion of the FOG rules and ultimately Festools discretion.

Seth

There's also that pesky little part about how it takes 3-4 hours to print a 25x50 bin. 6-8 bins/day, even selling them at 2 dollars each to turn a margin (which gets eaten up checking on the system every so often), nets...

carry the one, divide my toes...

7 dollars per day, give or take.

You'd be better off setting up an MFT and selling Festool-green lemonade to passers-by on a hot day. :)

Definitely makes more sense to just provide the files and people can print at home.

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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2021, 10:31 AM »
The new and improved 100x150 Nesting Tray (and the tweaking of my printer settings) came out beautifully.
Cheers!
EDIT: as of Feb.27, 2021: The rim of the tray was lowered from being flush with the top to allow the SYS3 ORG lid to close. If you printed this prior to Feb.27th 2021, my sincere apologies. The updated file and pictures are now below. It fits like a glove!

New SYS3 ORG 100x150 Nested Tray .STL file
(getting that 83.3x175 Middle bin on the printer now ed!)
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« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2021, 04:38 PM »
This thread inspired me to finally pick up a 3d printer. My Artillery X1 arrives tomorrow. Your bins will be some of the first things I try. Any advise or resources to point me to for getting started with my 3d printer? What slicer are you using?

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« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2021, 04:51 PM »
Any chance of creating a 25x150 Streamliner bin

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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2021, 10:39 AM »
FYI: I printed the 83.3x175 Middle bin last night and made a miscalculation in the placement of its feet (it doesn't fit)...

..but it does now! I fixed the file, ran it through Netfabb and modified the original links.
So both the 83.3 MIDDLEs for the 175 and the 350 are now accurate. Enjoy!


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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2021, 10:41 AM »
Any chance of creating a 25x150 Streamliner bin
You bet! I'll whip it up in a few minutes :)

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« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2021, 11:34 AM »
This thread inspired me to finally pick up a 3d printer. My Artillery X1 arrives tomorrow. Your bins will be some of the first things I try. Any advise or resources to point me to for getting started with my 3d printer? What slicer are you using?
Oh man, that's awesome! I've seen prints from the X1 in person and they are fantastic!

My advice to anyone getting started in 3D printing:
1. Free files to print and search are available on Thingiverse There are a lot of other sites like this too these days; Cults, Yeggi, and paid sites like CGTrader, Do3D....
2. Learn Fusion360 early, its free! and you now need a login from its parent company Autodesk to check your files to ensure they are manifold (watertight) using the free Netfabb service. There are a lot of paid Fusion360 courses available, some tailored to woodworking, etc., but Kevin Kennedy on YouTube has a Learn Fusion 360 in 30 Days for Beginners YouTube playlist that is completely free and where I learned it. Google Lars Christensen for additional free resources; he works for Autodesk
3. Slicer. I use the PRUSA Slicer that came with my printer, but it works with all printers (as far as I know, you can configure it to show the Artillery build plate, etc). Its very easy to use (and free!), though it is not the only good one around these days.
4. Check out Angus Deveson at Makers Muse for advice, reviews, tests, neat stuff, etc. He is an OG 3D printer and still going strong with great content.
5. Run any file you pull off a free site (and even the ones you've created) through the free Netfabb service referenced above. This repairs any file found to be non-manifold. There's nothing worse than coming back to a 24-hour print and finding a giant spaghetti mess of hardened plastic caked all over your printhead and print bed because your model wasn't manifold and the printer was trying to print in mid-air.
6. Have supports enabled via your slicer for anything that overhangs at greater than a 45-degree angle (most slicers have an automatic support option). You can change all sorts of parameters here, using stronger honeycomb supports, rectilinear, etc.. over time you will know when you need and don't need supports.. and you can "paint" them in manually as well
7. You don't need to use high infill percentages. 15% is very common and saves you filament. More infill = stronger prints though, and I use the gyroid infill pattern, as it saves plastic and is still strong.. you can find videos of strength tests from CNC Kitchen
8. There are a pile of filaments out there; PLA being the most common. Its also corn-based and actually smells alright, ha ha. ABS, Nylon, Carbon-fibre reinforced stuff, flexible stuff (NinjaFlex).. and all kinds of variants. Your slicer will likely automatically adjust your settings when you input what brand/type you're using but the roll of filament or the box will also have suggested settings. The highest quality prints I've ever achieved were from a roll of PRUSAment filament that came with my printer, but I usually use generic 2kg rolls of PLA because its cheap and still has great print quality. If you're in Canada you can use the code 52021FDC to get 5% off at Filaments.ca. I told them earlier this week I was making a 3D printing video on YouTube and asked if they would share a discount code, and they did! 5% not huge, but its a start :) (I'm sure Seth will let me know if this is allowed on the forum... I get no money from them and have no affiliation.. I just asked and and they gave it [laughing])
9. Setting up a print for the first time, calibrating your bed, your first layer height, etc. is a trial and error process, but once dialed in you should be good. Try not to get too frustrated during this process.
10. Be safe. Your hot end is typically melting the plastic at 215C or higher, there have been fires from controllers and hotends.. a smoke detector would be great. You can also connect a webcam to almost any printer these days (free plans online) and watch your prints from your phone with Octoprint... you can do timelapses, etc, too.. I've printed PLA indoors, but typically do it in my garage on a steel benchtop (and have NEVER had any problems with the smell or fires). I've seen an Artillery (printer brand) operating on a dining room table for hours on end with no issues and no bad smells; but to each their own.
11. Failed prints happen, for a variety of reasons. Software and printers these days are much better at detecting and correcting these, but be prepared for occasional frustration. Such is life.

Good luck! ;D

12. Oh, forgot this one. You can use a conventional mouse for everything in Fusion360 and your slicer program, BUT a Space Mouse from 3DConnexion is AMAZING for improving your workflow and "flying around" your model and the screen. I have the SpaceMouse Wireless so I can use it on my desktop or laptop. It gets used by my left hand, while my right uses the conventional mouse. It comes with its own "training" app to get you fluent quickly, which was a nice touch too.

EDIT: 13. If you come back to your printer and find a failed print and a huge blob of hardened plastic encasing your hotend, don't just try and pry/cut it off. Heat up the hotend first ("Load filament" setting on your printer) and then just pull it off slowly. The first time this happened to me I accidently ripped off the wires connecting to my hotend. Oh, and depending on your printer, almost every tiny little part is available for purchase separately and very inexpensively. You can also print your own parts in many instances, or have a friend print them if yours is out of commission.

EDIT: 14: 3D Printer recommendations: ALL3DP Best Printers (as of Feb.2021)
I've owned or been in close contact with three of their top choices (across different price categories) so in my opinion, its a credible source. ;)
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2021, 12:13 PM »
The 25x150 Streamliner bin
SYS3 25x150 Streamliner Bin .STL file
I'd note that the 25mm bins are meant to be paired together as one side wall is vertical and the other sloped. They would still work alone, but better together. I've added some extra "feet" to give this one some more stability and have a set going on my printer as we speak.

P.S. I have been 3D printing for a while, but am NOT a Fusion360 expert. After creating the original (with a lot of measurements from a $40 pair of digital calipers) all the other modified versions have been very easily modified. Anyone can do this!

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« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2021, 01:21 AM »
Thanks for the tips. My first prints of basic stuff went great, but once I got to your bins I had issues with supports. What do you recommend for these bins to adhere and support, given that so little actually touches the base? The supports that I first did were way too hard to remove.

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« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2021, 10:47 AM »
Thanks for the tips. My first prints of basic stuff went great, but once I got to your bins I had issues with supports. What do you recommend for these bins to adhere and support, given that so little actually touches the base? The supports that I first did were way too hard to remove.
I've printed most of the bins with the standard rectilinear supports everywhere and they came off like a dream; I recently switched to honeycomb supports (Print Settings>Support Material> "Pattern: Honeycomb"). They provide a much more stable base, and while they are "stuck" to the model a bit better, they still came off as one unit quite easily. I've yet to use a pair of pliers.
I'm using generic PLA too.

If you're using PRUSA slicer there is a new "experimental" feature that they automatically leave on that you have to turn off.
If you go to Print Settings>Support Material>and uncheck the "Don't Support Bridges" box you will get supports under all of the base. You can also confirm this by putting your file on the print bed in the slicer application, Pressing the "Slice Now" button and then rotating the object on screen to see underneath and ensure that the supports are going across the whole bottom, not just the rim.


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« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2021, 10:55 AM »
The 25x150 Bins came out great.

In the top right I'd note that the nesting tray, with its newly "improved" rim that goes straight to the top, no longer allows the lid of the SYS3 ORG to close! I've edited the original post on this tray.
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« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2021, 04:08 PM »
BK Makes, have you tried using string trimmer line as filament?

Also, any thoughts on the Snapmaker 2.0 A350 ?

I'm looking at the Snapmaker because I would like to have a laser in addition to 3d printing.

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« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2021, 12:32 PM »
BK Makes, have you tried using string trimmer line as filament?

Also, any thoughts on the Snapmaker 2.0 A350 ?

I'm looking at the Snapmaker because I would like to have a laser in addition to 3d printing.



I have never heard of using string trimmer line as filament! Ha, I'll have to do some googling.

Funny you should mention something capable of laser engraving as I've been looking at laser cutters, I want a higher wattage unit capable of cutting through 1/4" MDF and was considering a Chinese K40, and upgrading it (lots of info on this on the internet, though not without risk) as I don't think a GlowForge would have enough "oomph"/and is pricey for what you get.

That Snapmaker looks pretty clever, though I'd be curious how each function compares to dedicated machines. The price certainly looks good for what you get. A dedicated 3D printer is very inexpensive these days.. a laser engraver, not so much.. so I see where you're coming from..

Just had a read of this, as well: Snapmaker 2.0 Review

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« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2021, 01:39 PM »
Thanks for that link to the Snapmaker 2.0 review. Makes me want to hold off for a bit and see if they make any improvements.

Since this would be my first with any of these three I thought the Snapmaker might be a good entry level machine. I had been thinking of a dedicated 3d printer and also a X-Carve Pro 2x4 that I add a 6 watt laser to until I saw the Snapmaker A350.
More money (x3) but better all around and much larger user area for the CNC and laser operations.

Here is a YT video by CNC Kitchen on using trimmer line for 3d printing.

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« Reply #76 on: February 28, 2021, 07:55 PM »
Since this would be my first with any of these three I thought the Snapmaker might be a good entry level machine. I had been thinking of a dedicated 3d printer and also a X-Carve Pro 2x4 that I add a 6 watt laser to until I saw the Snapmaker A350.
Knowing a thing or two about FDM 3D printers, I would expect the Snapmaker to do OK as a CNC and a laser device. Not so as an FDM printer.

The reason the absolute bulk of the FDM market is still at the 20x20x20 cm or so size is mechanics, practicality and costs.

Look on the Prusa Mini - the machine is only marginally (20%) smaller than MK3, yet they were able to get away with a single-arm design. That is the physics part. The mechanical accuracy needed for a (reliable) FDM printer is way above what you need for a good CNC or Laser cutter/engraver and this makes it hard to scale in size while maintaining reliability.

Second is practicality.
On a 20x20 cm printer a job can take days. Try a 40x40 cm print time for big items ...

There is a place for big FDM printers, but it is really a small niche for both reasons.

A (soft materials) CNC or engraver, on the other hand, does not have these limitations as it is mostly a 2D+ tool not a fully-fledged 3D tool. So making it bigger as well as sharing the mechanicals makes a lot of sense.
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« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2021, 03:01 PM »
Thanks for the link Bob!  :)

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« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2021, 08:26 PM »
Thanks Mino. I've been looking further into the SnapMaker and there is a lot to not like. Biggest worry is lack of support and promises that keep coming but over a year later nothing has materialized. Problems with the bed warping, poor cable connections, and other issues have taken it off my list.

So still looking. I'm focusing on the Avid CNC or X-Carve Pro, both in a 2x4 size I think. Big difference in the price of these two. Just getting started at the details of these two. But that is the topic for another thread, and stop taking this one off course. Sorry.
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« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2021, 07:24 PM »
Having fun printing these and other things on my new printer, and just started learning Fusion based on your recommendation.
Any reason why you streamlined the sides, but did not make the bottom simpler? Given that you need to print supports anyways, why not build them into the design? The 25*100 bins would be a lot more stable if more of the wall went all the way to the bottom.
The Boat/Tanos/Festool design is optimized for least plastic when injection molding, but for FDM printing, I think it might want to look a bit different.
Once I make some more progress with F360 I'll give my idea a try, but I'd think it should look more like the negative of the floor puzzle.
Also, you could make the bases wider for a tiny bit more capacity.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2021, 04:00 PM »
Since there is lots of bin measuring in this topic I figured I'd ask here .....................

      Festool gives the height of the bins as 68mm. Is that inside the bin, outside the bin, including feet excluding feet? I want to know the actual usable height of the inside of the M/L89 Organizer Sys.  Trying to figure if it will work for something else.

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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2021, 04:12 PM »
Since there is lots of bin measuring in this topic I figured I'd ask here .....................

      Festool gives the height of the bins as 68mm. Is that inside the bin, outside the bin, including feet excluding feet? I want to know the actual usable height of the inside of the M/L89 Organizer Sys.  Trying to figure if it will work for something else.

Seth

Are you looking for the usable height of the interior in the case that you were to load something large and flat inside of it that was resting on and/or impinged by the bottom and top grids?

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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2021, 04:40 PM »
Since there is lots of bin measuring in this topic I figured I'd ask here .....................

      Festool gives the height of the bins as 68mm. Is that inside the bin, outside the bin, including feet excluding feet? I want to know the actual usable height of the inside of the M/L89 Organizer Sys.  Trying to figure if it will work for something else.

Seth

Are you looking for the usable height of the interior in the case that you were to load something large and flat inside of it that was resting on and/or impinged by the bottom and top grids?

     Yes. 

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« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2021, 05:09 PM »
Having fun printing these and other things on my new printer, and just started learning Fusion based on your recommendation.
Any reason why you streamlined the sides, but did not make the bottom simpler? Given that you need to print supports anyways, why not build them into the design? The 25*100 bins would be a lot more stable if more of the wall went all the way to the bottom.
The Boat/Tanos/Festool design is optimized for least plastic when injection molding, but for FDM printing, I think it might want to look a bit different.
Once I make some more progress with F360 I'll give my idea a try, but I'd think it should look more like the negative of the floor puzzle.
Also, you could make the bases wider for a tiny bit more capacity.
I am pretty sure Tanos engineers did not look at "minimum material" even for a minute. Not at the prices they sell these things.

They most likely looked at an optimal combination maximum usability/practicality and maximum space efficiency. In that order. Once they had the shape to provide those, the thickness of the walls was a question of good durability at acceptable weight.
If Tanos is known for anything, it is they do not choose shapes that are easy to mold. They specialize in "crazily" complicated molds to provide otherwise unavailable capabilities at premium prices.

To the topic.
Pure vertical boxes are a PITA to insert as you must fit them exactly into the hole and cannot take advantage of the self-guiding property of a tapered shape.

If you want to increase usable volume, you may try to create a vertical "colar" up to 1/2 the height or so and taper only the bottom. But one thing you do not want for practical use is a pure vertical shape bottom-to-top.
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #84 on: March 04, 2021, 05:11 PM »
Since there is lots of bin measuring in this topic I figured I'd ask here .....................

      Festool gives the height of the bins as 68mm. Is that inside the bin, outside the bin, including feet excluding feet? I want to know the actual usable height of the inside of the M/L89 Organizer Sys.  Trying to figure if it will work for something else.

Seth

Are you looking for the usable height of the interior in the case that you were to load something large and flat inside of it that was resting on and/or impinged by the bottom and top grids?

     Yes. 

Seth

The bin's exterior is 68mm high.
But the squares on the bottom of the organizer stick up 5mm, and the retaining squares on the lid stick down 2.5mm
Doing the math, you should be able to stick a large item 60.5mm tall inside the organizer.
I can only tell from inference, because it is really hard to measure the container when it is closed!

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« Reply #85 on: March 04, 2021, 05:19 PM »
Having fun printing these and other things on my new printer, and just started learning Fusion based on your recommendation.
Any reason why you streamlined the sides, but did not make the bottom simpler? Given that you need to print supports anyways, why not build them into the design? The 25*100 bins would be a lot more stable if more of the wall went all the way to the bottom.
The Boat/Tanos/Festool design is optimized for least plastic when injection molding, but for FDM printing, I think it might want to look a bit different.
Once I make some more progress with F360 I'll give my idea a try, but I'd think it should look more like the negative of the floor puzzle.
Also, you could make the bases wider for a tiny bit more capacity.
I am pretty sure Tanos engineers did not look at "minimum material" even for a minute. Not at the prices they sell these things.

They most likely looked at an optimal combination maximum usability/practicality and maximum space efficiency. In that order. Once they had the shape to provide those, the thickness of the walls was a question of good durability at acceptable weight.
If Tanos is known for anything, it is they do not choose shapes that are easy to mold. They specialize in "crazily" complicated molds to provide otherwise unavailable capabilities at premium prices.

To the topic.
Pure vertical boxes are a PITA to insert as you must fit them exactly into the hole and cannot take advantage of the self-guiding property of a tapered shape.

If you want to increase usable volume, you may try to create a vertical "colar" up to 1/2 the height or so and taper only the bottom. But one thing you do not want for practical use is a pure vertical shape bottom-to-top.
I'm pretty sure Bott designed them, but I wasn't implying they were cheap. They were likely looking for the best strength to weight to functionality balance, within the constraints of injection molding, which is very different than FDM/3d printing. They didn't find that adding more to the base helped for their design criteria.

BK Makes has added new sizes, including half sizes, to the Bott design. The foot design originally was designed for minimum of 50mm. I'm suggesting that the foot design might be different when there are 25mm sized containers, and when you need to print supports anyways.

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« Reply #86 on: March 04, 2021, 05:29 PM »
BK Makes has added new sizes, including half sizes, to the Bott design. The foot design originally was designed for minimum of 50mm. I'm suggesting that the foot design might be different when there are 25mm sized containers, and when you need to print supports anyways.
To each his own.

I do not want to see (pure) vertical boxes anywhere near my small parts storage. Had them and happy got rid of them. What a waste of PET filament it was.

Ref. Bott, I think you are overestimating their influence on the detailed design. They sure did a collaborative design with Tanos that was supposed to combine their markets. But it was Bott who subcontracted the making of the box system to Tanos, not the other way around.

The system uses a module of 25x25 instead of 50x50 which is great. Maybe it will end up a future-proofed item that will be just a boon for tuners like us here but who knows.
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« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2021, 07:39 PM »
Maybe this will help Seth...

Outside dimensions:
From the top wall to the flat bottom of the container is 64 mm.




From the top wall to the bottom of the feet on the container is 68 mm.




Inside dimensions:
The inside of the container has a blended radius that connects the side to the bottom. Thus there are 2 inside height dimensions.






From the top wall to the beginning of the radius is 59 mm.




From the top wall to the bottom of the radius is 61.5 mm. Forgot to take a photo [doh]


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« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2021, 09:24 PM »
"....Pure vertical boxes are a PITA to insert...."

Vertical sides on a molded piece are more difficult and costly to manufacture.

The slope of the sides of the bins makes releasing them from the mold much easier.
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« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2021, 11:42 PM »
Thanks for the bin measuring.  [thumbs up]


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« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2021, 10:07 AM »

Vertical sides on a molded piece are more difficult and costly to manufacture.


By a factor of 3 or more times because a collapsible force and an expanding cavity is necessary to eject the part.

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« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2021, 12:10 PM »
Having fun printing these and other things on my new printer, and just started learning Fusion based on your recommendation.
Any reason why you streamlined the sides, but did not make the bottom simpler? Given that you need to print supports anyways, why not build them into the design? The 25*100 bins would be a lot more stable if more of the wall went all the way to the bottom.
The Boat/Tanos/Festool design is optimized for least plastic when injection molding, but for FDM printing, I think it might want to look a bit different.
Once I make some more progress with F360 I'll give my idea a try, but I'd think it should look more like the negative of the floor puzzle.
Also, you could make the bases wider for a tiny bit more capacity.

That is awesome!  :) ...the primary reason I didn't mess with the base was because I wanted them to continue working just as the original Bott ones did. There's definitely room for improvement there on the FDM front; going straight down to the base, but leaving the "cutouts" for when it straddles the 50mm "dividers" would likely work. A negative of the floor puzzle is also a fantastic idea!