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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2021, 03:02 PM »
I checked out your website.  What kind of 3D printer do you have.  I have looked at them for years but I have thought of buying one until now.  Thoughts?
Thanks ghjaxman! Just starting on YouTube :). I'll get all these files on the site in the "free" section as well. I have a PRUSA MK3 and love it, but would prefer a bigger build plate now. A friend has an Artillery Sidewinder and is very happy with it. The PRUSA printed 77 days straight (it tracks the data; and that's 24hrs a day BTW) before I had an issue (of my own doing). It has been a workhorse and I have no complaints, besides the size of the build plate (you can work around that too, by slicing a project and then gluing it back together afterwards).

The best thing I've done 3D printing-wise though is learning Fusion360. I know Bob Clagett and others have woodworking-focused Fusion 360 courses available for a fee, but I used Kevin Kennedy's free YouTube "course" (I'm not sure it's still set up as "Learn Fusion 360 in 30 Days" - it only takes 5 days if you're cramming [laughing]).

After the lessons I made a bunch of hobby station modules (because I wanted to make my own version of this: HobbyZone Modular Workshop System); lots of mistakes and "learning-on-the-job", but now it feels intuitive.

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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2021, 03:10 PM »
FYI: The small square puzzle piece drawer bottoms/mats work fine, but the small pyramidal bits that ensure they align correctly aren't really big enough to give a good registration... I think printing them in larger sheets will prove more effective.. will fill my print bed with them once the set of 83.3x175's are printed (22hrs from now).

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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2021, 03:52 PM »
A very interesting thread... [big grin]

Have you tested the Festool-like version to see how well small parts stay inside the boxes when the Systainer is turned upside down?


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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2021, 05:06 PM »
A very interesting thread... [big grin]

Have you tested the Festool-like version to see how well small parts stay inside the boxes when the Systainer is turned upside down?


I just did, with an equal number of varying sizes in each. The thinnest washers I own are brass and 0.9mm (I don't own any of those super tiny ones) and both the Festool and the Festool-like performed equally well (none came out). Then I tried with some confetti and the Festool had an escapee before the Festool-like version, but I'd chalk that up to chance [laughing]

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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2021, 05:29 PM »
Looks like you really dont need the helping hand with modelling at least, this is going really fast and well. Fantastic job!
I am still a bit on the fence when it comes to switching over to the new bins/system but have to say that it is tempting to make the jump. Of course, the current line of Systainers will get all the upgrades/development, and not the previous generation.

Have a look at how Alex chappel makes several layers of bins as well.
It does not seem like the new Systainers have boxes with the combined lid and drawer underneath like the prevous generation has [yet].
I really like these for storing a machine plus supplies:
https://www.festool.com/accessory/200118---sys-combi-3

Are you printing the bins standing upright and with no support material?
My Ender 5 did not make a good bottom doing is without support. (Attachment Link)

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Edit:
I think your mats looks very good. Will be perfect in home made drawers.

Sorry Svirre! I blew past your offer to lend a hand with the modelling when I read the post the first time.

Ahh, I'm looking at that Systainer with the integrated Sortainer from your link. Those ARE cool.

Let me watch Alex's video again.. some nesting options would be a neat idea too.
EDIT: Oh man, I didn't realize he'd basically made a bunch of SYS3 Organizers out of wood and his 3D-printed boxes already, ha ha! cool.

I'm printing them right-side up WITH support to ensure those bottom features stay intact.. those bottom features themselves are only 4mm tall, so not much support is required but I'm sure there's an even slicker version that could be devised.

EDIT: Just checked some details because I was curious; the 50x50 with supports uses 11.23m of filament and takes 4hr5m for $0.85CAD vs. no supports (which I don't think will print successfully) which uses 10.72m of filament, takes 3hr53m for $0.81CAD
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2021, 06:49 PM »
These should work edwarmr (and thank-you!), though to be certain I'll get a set of the 83.3x175's on my printer ASAP (that should also prove that the 83.3x350's will work).
My printer can't fit a full 350mm, so if anyone prints one, let me know how it turned out!
SYS3 125x175 Streamliner Bin
The next couple require an Edge and a Middle; they are embossed with an "E" and "M" in the center
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE

They look great! I’m looking forward to seeing how the 83.3x175 bins turn out from your printer. Thanks for all your work!

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2021, 07:37 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2021, 07:57 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2021, 08:03 PM »
The other more complicated option would be the inner supports and small notches seen in this Domino tenon bin. I’m not sure how difficult that would be to make though.


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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2021, 04:15 AM »
BK Makes, you are on fire! So much great stuff. Yeah, that base grid is exactly what I was thinking of.
Now I either need to buy a 3d printer, or get my very quarantine cautious friend to make some for me.

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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2021, 07:49 AM »
Loving the 25x50 Streamliner Bin, they are a great addition

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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2021, 10:53 AM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2021, 11:06 AM »
BK Makes, you are on fire! So much great stuff. Yeah, that base grid is exactly what I was thinking of.
Now I either need to buy a 3d printer, or get my very quarantine cautious friend to make some for me.
[big grin] thank you! No regrets here, and they're getting a lot more affordable and feature-packed these days. Plus my kids (well, mostly me, ha ha) love getting Star Wars guns and stuff made from them.

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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2021, 11:08 AM »
Loving the 25x50 Streamliner Bin, they are a great addition
oh man, I'm stoked that they're getting used. Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate it!

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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2021, 02:45 PM »
Some divider ideas for the existing Festool bins. Utilizes the "collar" portion at the top... will print a few tomorrow.
Starting with the smallest 50x50 bin to speed up the print time.

Cool ideas! If they stick up that high will they hit the grid on the lid?
They should line up exactly with the top of the existing Festool bins if I measured correctly. I need to print the vertical dividers to confirm if the chamfers at the bottom are correct though... I left a tiny bit of leeway so maybe ultrathin washers wouldn't be ideal for these, but once I get one tested I'll throw up the .STL file.

While printing the 83.3x175's I ran into an issue (forgot to slice it WITH supports) and botched the print, so stay tuned on that front...

The Domino systainer divider idea is GOLD though, thanks Ed'! I'll pull out my Domino systainer, make some measurements and see about trying to use the existing dividers/notches in some fashion (though they may be taller than the SYS3 ORG's 68mm?). Or at least trying to use the similar mechanism/measurements so that people can reuse what they already have..

I know there are shorter Domino tenon bins for the DF 500 connector set that fits in a Sys 1. Those bins would probably be comparable in height to the 68mm of the Sys 3 Org bins. Unfortunately I don’t have the Sys 1 Domino tenon bins so I can’t measure :(

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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2021, 03:28 PM »
Yup.. they're ~109mm tall, while the bins in the KV-SYS D8 (connector set) are 56mm...

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2021, 03:45 PM »
The first divider came out well, but was too tight a fit (the two green circles in the photo show where the label bevels come out about ~0.7mm further from the edge, causing the pinch.. they work pretty good though. The thin brass washer would not move from one side to the other on the bottom, or the bottom-sides, but as it gets closer to the top it sneaks under. That's due to the slight tapering of the bin sides; I made the dividers straight (and will fix).. because of the tight fit, removing it with force snapped the divider off at the intersection with the"plug" part.. it's only 2mm thick there, but if it fit more loosely it likely wouldn't be an issue...(EDIT: I'm adding a chamfer to beef it up)
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2021, 04:45 PM »
Have you tested the Festool-like container...
I just did, with an equal number of varying sizes in each. The thinnest washers I own are brass and 0.9mm (I don't own any of those super tiny ones) and both the Festool and the Festool-like performed equally well (none came out). Then I tried with some confetti and the Festool had an escapee before the Festool-like version, but I'd chalk that up to chance [laughing]

FWIW...When I did my testing I chose #4 internal tooth lock washers as the worst case. They're small in diameter and only about 1 mm thick. Chances are anything else that will be placed in the boxes will be larger than the #4 washer.




I threw about 100 of the washers in a single box in the middle of a grouping.




I closed the cover and turned the Systainer upside down and shook it 10 times in all directions. After opening it up not a single washer had migrated to another box. You can see some washers standing on the ledge inside the box, that's as far as they got.


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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2021, 06:34 PM »
Ha, great test Cheese! They look small enough to squirt out the hole where the plastic label cover goes :)

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2021, 10:52 PM »
Festool 50x50 Bin Divider works, though not sure how useful it will be relative to a pair of 25x50 Bins

SYS3 ORG 50x50 Vertical Bin Divider .STL File

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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2021, 05:25 AM »
I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later

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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2021, 11:48 AM »
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.
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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2021, 10:07 AM »
I guess they would need to be printed upside down with support? I'll give one a try later
Correct!

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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2021, 10:35 AM »
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.
For the dividers, you may want to give them "feet", not sure how to call it. Basically a plate that will encompass the whole bottom of the original bin.

This will help with the divider on "getting a bit out" and the pieces slipping through the opening on the bottom. The other option is to include an assumption the bin will be pre-drilled in the bottom sides area and the dividers to include pressure-notches that will drop in those drilled holes while inserted in the bin.

Either way, for dividers gravity is not enough in practical use.

That said, considering the costs of the original bins, a 50x50 with "integral" divider might be a better option and more economical on filament compared to a pair of 50x25. The same way I am sure a 50x100 with 3 "integral" dividers will be useful.
EDIT: scratch this, with the bins not being separate, it would be a pain to empty them which is a bigger issue the smaller the bin ...


BTW, when I said "1.5 size", I should have mentioned I meant 75x75 for those scenarios where 100x100 is an overkill.


On last nitpick. After seeing the "Streamliner" version on photo it immediately hit me there should be *some* collar included - say 5-10mm high which will have the full-width as a normal Festool bin has.
This so that when the bins are next to each other, the gap between then is not affected by one being a tiny-bit sideways, not sure how to describe it. But if the bin was (from top) first going down vertically, and only then started to taper it would still be as FDM-friendly as possible, have tiny tiny bit more capacity but may form a "matrix" a bit more nicely.

Just a thought.


Is funny in any case for me. I use a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system - cannot be beat on price/bin as new 20-bin box is $6 or so. It has its limitations but I only now realized one annoyance it has that bugs me is caused but the lacking a collar on the bins. This sometimes causes an "alignment annoyance" where the bins just do not like to "fall" into the position on first try and "rest" themselves on their edges mutually. I suspect the Festools having the top of the bin vertical avoid this.

I agree with you; the practicality of the dividers themselves in a 50x50 bin is a bit questionable.., maybe you could use it to organize the mid-length style of hex bits if you were still able to grab the tips... (??).. the version that has a bottom and divides the bin horizontally may be a bit more practical, but I think the 25x50 would likely still be a better option.

On the inclusion of "collars", just doing a ultra scientific "wiggle test" they both seem to perform similarly. I think that's mainly due to the bottoms, which are largely identical. While they are flush at their tops though, I think you're also correct in that including a vertical section at the top (even for half or more than half the height?) would both provide slightly better support/alignment and definitely more room within the bin. The transition between the vertical side and the sloped side would also be smooth as you've said.. so Streamliner V2 perhaps?

I'll do up a 75x75 in a V2 format and post ASAP.. had to tweak my printer's layer height slightly over the weekend and getting much cleaner large prints now and want to get the 4x4 "mat", and 83.3x175 bins printed first (tested the adjustments on a 100x150 nested tray, which I'll post after this).

I'm going to have to google what a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system is... it sounds like a big upgrade!
Thanks for sharing too, I like how we can make iterative improvements together here.
Very cool! :)

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2021, 10:46 AM »
Tried out a 100x150 tray last night that nests into the existing bins (dividing it roughly in half horizontally). It uses the existing label cutouts as registration points, and also provides space to stick a label. The underside of the "label" portion is at a 45-degree angle (and can be used as the lip to lift them out easily), so the only supports needed are along the edges.

As with the original 50x50 divider I was a bit too tight on my dimensions and need to shave the "label holder" portions so it drops in more easily, so will correct before posting the .STL file.

I would expect this size to be a bit more useful.. I'll also taper the sides or take them straight to the top of the bin to clean it up a bit.. that ledge that is created doesn't need to be there..

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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2021, 11:28 AM »
I'm going to have to google what a Prosperplast NORP injection-molded system is... it sounds like a big upgrade!
Ah no upgrade ... just cheap-enough I could buy a couple tens of them for full-selection screw storage.

I hate it when miss a screw size and have to waste an hour going to a shop for 10 cents worth of screws. Not to mention if that happens off-hours or during lockdown like these days..

Reference:
https://www.prosperplast.com/tool-boxes-organisers/2024-organizer-nor-p.html

These are basically unbeatable on price over here. But that comes with caveats as they are nowhere as sturdy as the Festool ones, do not interlock, etc., etc. Good-enough for shop use though.
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2021, 12:41 PM »
@BK Makes

You should sell your bins, for real! They look super nice :) You could even do them in Festool Green PLA. I’m excited to see how the 83.3x175 bins turn out. Personally I think the lip in the Festool bins (or Bott I should say) takes up valuable space so I prefer your streamliner design. As an example, common domino sizes are 8x50mm, 10x50mm, 8x100mm, 10x100mm, etc. The 50x50 stock bins are only 50mm at they very top so at the bottom they will not fit a 50mm domino lengthwise. The 100x100 bins are the same. They are only 100mm at the very top so they won’t fit a 100mm long domino lengthwise. I think they would just fit in your streamliner bins. That’s a big plus for me.

One question: What is the purpose of the bin within a bin design? It seems to me it would just reduce your storage space. It does look really cool though :)

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2021, 01:28 PM »
I think the bin within bin (two layers) would be good for items that need surface area but not depth. There by getting more separation in the same space. Or even double layer multi compartment bins similar to Racko.

Rather than dividers in the small bins , I would just make extra small bins. 25 x 25, 25 x 50. Much easier to remove and dump a small bin than to get something out of it.

One note on selling these, etc.  That would not be acceptable on FOG for anything other than custom sizes. And depending on Festools thoughts maybe not the custom sizes either.  This would come under the competing product research and marketing portion of the FOG rules and ultimately Festools discretion.

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2021, 02:07 PM »
Printed a divider yesterday, printed fine and fitted ok. As you say, not sure how practical it is. Think I will stick with printing 25 x 50 bins instead.

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2021, 02:14 PM »
I think for the dividers to be really useful they would have to be similar in style to the dominos bin. That gives you adjustability much like you get with shelf pins in cabinets.