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SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« on: February 16, 2021, 12:35 PM »
Hi all,
Long-time lurker and proud Festool owner. I just received my first SYS3 organizer and wanted to share some files for anyone interested in 3D printing their own sorting bins.

As of this posting I've only made the small 50x50 bin, printing it last night and inspecting it this morning. I think it worked out really well. Cheers & enjoy!

50x50 Bin .STL File

Image links:
Fusion 360 model of a 50x50 bin
3D Bin next to a Festool Bin
Notes (for those that are interested):
This is my interpretation of the bin, its not going to be the same as what you'd get from Festool. The actual bin has some rounded chamfers/filets around the inside bottom edges, which Fusion 360 told me were too complex when I tried making my own. The top 14mm faces of the bins are vertical, while the Festool ones are very slightly angled. This doesn't appear to alter their functionality. I did incorporate the very slight angling in the bottom section, though I don't think that's really required either, as it leaves a slight stepping pattern when FDM printing. The bevelled cutouts where the labels go did not come out very crisply, but they are there. I do not own any Festool labels (204949) so I'm not certain if they fit properly. The holes on the sides (for hanging? or a lid?...maybe something for me to tinker with...) are a bit different, as I extruded them all the way through for simplicity, when the actual bin is only extruded through the "top section".. not sure if this is a clear explanation, but I expect will work just fine. The lip at the bottom of the top 14mm is a hard edge, which my slicer added supports to. A more efficient design (for 3D printing) would have 45-degree angled edges to save plastic/require less support (I'll work on a more efficient version, different sizes, and some custom ones, stay tuned... will post here)

P.S. This is my first attempt at using a Google Drive to share a file link, let me know if it works or not.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2021, 02:51 PM »
A slightly more FDM friendly version of the 50x50 SYS3 bin
(less supports required)

50x50 Bin (FDM friendlier)

Notes: 45-degree chamfers added where appropriate, though the corners and holes (which were slightly modified) likely still require supports.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2021, 04:48 PM »
A slightly more FDM friendly version of the 50x50 SYS3 bin
(less supports required)

50x50 Bin (FDM friendlier)

Notes: 45-degree chamfers added where appropriate, though the corners and holes (which were slightly modified) likely still require supports.
Did you consider re-designing the bin, e.g. a more gradual thickening bottom to top and skipping the "collar". If you do not plan to maintain the holes for hanging capability, I do not believe the "collar" style top is really needed to be the way it is on the original.

I think compatible-but-FDM-optimized bins may be more useful for general use. One can even make "1.5 Festool module" sizes etc. which are currently not available, increasing the appeal.
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2021, 05:47 PM »
Great suggestion mino, thanks! :)
I'll make a no-frills, stream-lined version of each size for even easier printing (no collar, no holes, no differing thickness for the label). I like the 1.5 idea too and was already thinking of a 0.5 version (25x50) for those even less plentiful items. Stay tuned.


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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2021, 07:36 PM »
Very nice!  What printer do you have?

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2021, 08:49 PM »
I like this.  Thanks for the STLs.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2021, 09:02 PM »
Very nice!  What printer do you have?
Thank-you! I have a PRUSA MK3 & MK3S and use PRUSA Slicer

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2021, 07:06 AM »
This is a very interesting thread, thanks!
I was just in the process of making my own system for bins/drawers based on the previous style of boxes when I realized that there is a new system out. Kind of got cold feet on the whole thing already with possible future updates from Festool.
There is a guy that has made his own system for bins/storage as well:
http://www.youtube.com/c/achappel
It is great in that he has a whole workshop built around it, but for me with a lot of Festool already, I would like the Systainers to be the central part.

Also, I think that for general bins, I would rather buy them in bulk than to print them, but would like to print out speciality bins for particular tools.

I will try your print first of all, looks great, maybe I could help out with the modelling of the other sizes and help to come up with a more space efficient version?

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2021, 12:49 PM »
It printed up great, thanks  [thumbs up]
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2021, 04:12 PM »
Ha, that's awesome! thanks for sharing. ...and I have seen Alex Chappel's stuff too; he's killing it.

I've now got a version of the 50x50, 50x100 and 100x100 dubbed the "Streamliners", that are without frills yet retain the identical footprint and the same top measurements (and otherwise indistinguishable when in the SYS3).

SYS3 50x50 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x100 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 100x100 Streamliner Bin
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Notes: I've brightened up this image so you can make out the differences a bit better. They feel relatively smooth in my hand, but the picture makes the layer lines really stand out...though I may have to tweak my printer... anyways, enjoy! and more to follow.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2021, 02:31 AM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2021, 10:12 AM »
How long does it take to print one of the bins?  Material cost?


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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2021, 11:02 AM »
Great question Seth.

The 50x50 Streamliner prints in 4h5m and costs $0.85
The 50x50 FDM Friendlier prints in 4h24m and costs $0.82
The 50x50 Bin from Festool (Lee Valley) costs $2.80

The slight savings on the FDM friendly version is due to the wall thickness being closer to the actual bin; the Streamliner has slightly thicker walls. Infill density doesn't really affect the build time given how the thin walls are. They are largely 100% filled anyways.
All costs are based on a generic roll of 2kg PLA from www.filaments.ca @ $58.95 Canadian
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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2021, 11:34 AM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

I'm keen to do more custom ones as well. I just got the SYS3 within the last week and thought I'd start with something I know I'll use and then branch out. On that note... these aren't too much of a stretch , but...
25x50 SYS3 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x75 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x100 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 25x125 Streamliner Bin

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Notes: I run all these files through the online Netfabb .STL repair service to ensure they are manifold and watertight. The 25x50 and 25x125 kept timing out.. I printed a set of the 25x50's last night and they came out great though

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2021, 11:41 AM »
Those "halve sized" bins are really cool!

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2021, 12:09 PM »
Some other sizes:
SYS3 50x150 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 100x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 200x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x250 Streamliner Bin
SYS3 50x350 Streamliner Bin

Notes: I think the 50x250 and 50x350 bins will be useful as they take up the full width and length of the SYS3 (good for tools, etc.), but my print bed isn't big enough. I'll have a friend print the 50x250 tonight and post a pic tomorrow if all goes well.

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2021, 12:10 PM »
Those "halve sized" bins are really cool!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Thanks Oliver! :)

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2021, 04:35 PM »
Here's my attempt at the rails. These definitely won't fit on my printer, but I'll slice them in half (and glue them) and give them a try tomorrow. Festool uses glass reinforced PolyMide (nylon) for their rails, so I'd suggest something stronger than PLA if you're 3D printing them.
Cheers!

SYS3 Rails .STL File

Notes: The SYS3-SN/4 rails are embossed with width dimensions for mounting. Inner carcass width for the "M" size is 418mm (16-29/64in), the "L" is 530mm (20-55/64in) and they recommend a 13mm (33/64in) gap from the top and bottom of any rack or cabinet you're installing them in.

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2021, 05:26 PM »
I know the new organizers have the label spot at the top, but I love Alex Chappel's label tab design. Super easy to read, but also a great little handle to lift them out. I was have similar thoughts to Svirre, why not start with an existing design (systainers, 50mm bins), but 3d print the special ones, or even extras, and put them in drawers. As a mostly shop based worker, I'd love to be able to grab the right set of bins from my drawers and put them in a travel case like the sys-org when I need to leave the shop.
Glad to see these 3d designs starting, I hope once I invest in both sys3-org and 3d printer there will be lots of options.

I LOVE the idea of making a drawer insert/floor to house the bins simnick!! Stay tuned...

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2021, 05:58 PM »
Was this what you were thinking of simnick? (this is just a small test size for my initial printing)
I really appreciate the idea.. I know Alex did something similar, but it took me reading your message again before the light bulb really clicked in my head [laughing]

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2021, 06:03 PM »
How long does it take to print a bin?  Also the bottom mat?  I guessing it takes so time.

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2021, 06:28 PM »
How long does it take to print a bin?  Also the bottom mat?  I guessing it takes so time.
It took me just over 4h to print one 50x50 bin ghjaxman. According to my slicer program it would take 5h32m to print a 9x9 grid of the bottom mat, as in the picture... just thinking as I'm typing but a small MC-Escher-style puzzle piece, that locks together on all four sides might be a good way to go... then anyone can print out however many they'd need to fill up their drawers... EUREKA! back to the drawing board ;D... the floor of the SYS3 ORG would also make a great silicone mold, that you could use to make flexible/roll up mats to hold the bins in your drawers or workbench tops... I had previously wanted to make an MFT/3 sized silicone mat so both may be in the cards in the future...

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Re: SYS3 Bins - 3D Files for printing your own
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2021, 07:00 PM »
An individual LEGO-brick style floor mat (though in this case it uses 45-degree shallow triangles, which require no supports in an FDM print). A drop of glue could be used at the intersections of the triangles if you wanted it to remain rigid...   will print out a few to test... then could make some edge trim in various sizes to "lock" it in better in your drawer...any other ideas appreciated!


...strips of these printed in 2x4 lengths, or whatever conveniently fits on a 3D print bed might be a better option as well... just spitballin...

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2021, 09:50 PM »
My biggest complaint about Festool’s (or Bott’s I guess) bins is that there is no even bin configuration to allow for symmetry in the Systainer. The Systainer is 7 bins (50mm bins) by 5 bins (50mm bins). 7 and 5 are not divisible by 2 or 3. I made a custom domino assortment in the new Sys 3 Org but it’s tough to pick the boxes out because there are only a few combinations of larger size boxes that can fit in the Systainer.

This configuration allows me to store essentially the same Dominos that come in the 4/5/6/8/10 assortment in a much more compact Systainer. 89mm vs. 157.5mm that a Sys 2 takes up.


Could you design bins that divide the Sys 3 Org into 6 compartments, 4 compartments, 3 compartments, and 2 compartments?
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2021, 10:06 PM »
These are a few examples of how I would like to see the bins made. The 3 and 6 bin combinations would fall in the middle of the grid squares and would require notching to work. The four dividers would be simple enough to make. I don’t know why Bott and Tanos didn’t think of making some even combinations.


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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2021, 12:39 PM »
Absolutely! I'll make them right now  :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2021, 01:00 PM »
Looks like you really dont need the helping hand with modelling at least, this is going really fast and well. Fantastic job!
I am still a bit on the fence when it comes to switching over to the new bins/system but have to say that it is tempting to make the jump. Of course, the current line of Systainers will get all the upgrades/development, and not the previous generation.

Have a look at how Alex chappel makes several layers of bins as well.
It does not seem like the new Systainers have boxes with the combined lid and drawer underneath like the prevous generation has [yet].
I really like these for storing a machine plus supplies:
https://www.festool.com/accessory/200118---sys-combi-3

Are you printing the bins standing upright and with no support material?
My Ender 5 did not make a good bottom doing is without support. [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ]

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Edit:
I think your mats looks very good. Will be perfect in home made drawers.
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2021, 02:26 PM »
Absolutely! I'll make them right now  :)

Thanks :)

Great job on all your bins so far! I really like the simplicity of the streamliner bins.

If Festool were really smart they would make some bins with insertable dividers for Dominos like they do with their Sys 2 Domino bins. You could have a business with your bins my friend :)

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2021, 02:39 PM »
I checked out your website.  What kind of 3D printer do you have.  I have looked at them for years but I have thought of buying one until now.  Thoughts?

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2021, 02:49 PM »
These should work edwarmr (and thank-you!), though to be certain I'll get a set of the 83.3x175's on my printer ASAP (that should also prove that the 83.3x350's will work).
My printer can't fit a full 350mm, so if anyone prints one, let me know how it turned out!
SYS3 125x175 Streamliner Bin
The next couple require an Edge and a Middle; they are embossed with an "E" and "M" in the center
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x175 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin EDGE
SYS3 83.3x350 Streamliner Bin MIDDLE

EDIT: The 83.3x175 and 83.3x350 MIDDLE bins were corrected on Feb.26, 2021. If you downloaded them prior to this date please replace them! Cheers, BK
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