On the subject of handles, I recently got one of the new SYS3 DF M 137 (with the new style attic). The moulding has clearly been altered such that the top handle is pleasantly easier to release, and crucially no longer makes that ear-splitting squeak when you push it back down.

So good news I think. Apart from the fact that the attic is shallower which means that accessories made for T-LOC attics no longer fit 

Best way for Festool to make you buy new accessories for the attics 

Quote from: timwors on March 17, 2023, 09:26 AM

On the subject of handles, I recently got one of the new SYS3 DF M 137 (with the new style attic). The moulding has clearly been altered such that the top handle is pleasantly easier to release, and crucially no longer makes that ear-splitting squeak when you push it back down.

So good news I think. Apart from the fact that the attic is shallower which means that accessories made for T-LOC attics no longer fit 

Best way for Festool to make you buy new accessories for the attics 

They have been breaking compatibility with their boxes since forever. Look at the boxes in their 1st gen Sys1-Box, then the T-Loc box, the sortainer, the ³ organizer; all just slightly different sizes.

Not sure why all the hate on the top handle; I've never had an issue pulling the handle up when it has been clicked in; never even though of it till just reading folks annoyance with it here.

The front handle having to rest on the tloc below it and clacking, yeah, i get that one being annoying. For those smaller ones though, I can't see another option, unless just to never have that front handle on it anyway, taking away the option to carry it that way i guess?

That handle can be removed, right? Then you no longer have the clacking, and you end up where Tanos would have had to end up; just no handle in the front at all.

Because the top handle not fully collapsing will cause failed mating of stacked systainers without it being very obviously. When lifted it might result in cracked cases and tools. Furthermore; previous generations systainers would have their handle fold down perfectly fine when another systainer would be put on top.

Classic and T-Loc Systainer top handles would just lock on their own. And when carried on their side with the optional front handle the top handle would by default not unfold. Because they reversed the direction of the top handle, the 'locking' of it became necessary.
My guess is the reversal was to facilitate the 'racking', where an extended top handle would just collapse when the systainer gets racked instead of jamming the racking.

Bosch' L-Boxx's have this racking system since longer and also the same orientation with the top handle that requires locking. However, it doesn't need such excessive force as the Sys³ handle does and when stacked it will more likely lock in place by the weight of the box on top and if not it will be more obvious compared to the way Systainers stack.