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Offline bidn

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Hi there,

I have big systainer stacks, moveable on the roll cart, and normally put the larger midi systainers at the top, so that they are less in the way.
I recently bought a new tool (Vecturo Multi tool ), and when I put a midi systainer above it : it didn't work (see picture), this compatibility is lost...
I solved this by arranging a Gen 2 on top of the Gen 3,  but it is still a pity , and one more thing against Gen 3.

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« Last Edit: March 25, 2021, 02:47 PM by bidn »
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Offline squall_line

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2021, 08:32 AM »
I feel like a similar issue occurred from Classic to TLoc; compatibility for any sort of stacking was unidirectional (TLoc on top of Classic).  At least with the Gen3/TLoc, you can stack either way as long as you're not changing sizes.

Ultimately when there's a change such as this, any compatibility with past generations isn't guaranteed, but in this case the Gen3 can even stack on top of a Classic, which is more than can be said for a lot of systems that have evolved over the years.

Offline demographic

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2021, 02:23 PM »
Jeez, did they just forget how the whole system worked with these new boxes?
Fail.

Offline mino

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2021, 07:06 PM »
Jeez, did they just forget how the whole system worked with these new boxes?
Yes. No questions there.

Probably the original engineering team retired after T-Loc and the new kids did not comprehend the meaning of the word "system" yet.

BTW, a major local dealer started offering "UltraBasic" versions without Systainers for many tools which do not have Festool cardboard versions officially ...
« Last Edit: March 24, 2021, 12:39 PM by mino »
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Offline Coen

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2021, 10:28 AM »
Good. But so they still supply the inlay?

Either way; down with space-wasting Sys3

Offline mino

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2021, 12:37 PM »
Good. But so they still supply the inlay?

Either way; down with space-wasting Sys3
No, Narex (local sister of Festool) does this with official cardboard packaging version including systainer inlays.

This seems a special of the dealer. It is a pretty big (in CZ context) online and B2B establishment with no shops. So it may be some type of a pilot to see if there will be demand or they may have calculated they can make enough profit by de-bundling as they also sell the full systainer selection.

Either way these guys specialize in the high-end tool space and they never had anything similar so there must be a SYS3-triggered demand if they bothered to do these listings. Clearly some customers do not see SYS3 as a value adder anymore and are willing to go without for the $30 or so savings. Hard to say how many would buy a T-Loc to go along instead but would be interesting to know.

This dealer is also a major TANOS dealer, so their customers would not be affected by potential T-Loc discontinuance by Festool much ...
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2021, 03:46 PM »

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Probably the original engineering team retired after T-Loc and the new kids did not comprehend the meaning of the word "system" yet.

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You’re probably closer than you think. There’s recently younger forces that have taken the wheel at Festool, from what I heard early last year. I’m still expecting the not so hot selling items slowly disappear. That is until someone close speaks up. If one see the changes that have happened it’s certainly something going on.
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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2021, 03:26 PM »
Believe it or not, I just tried the Gen2 MIDI on a GEN3 Systainer3 M, and agree, it doesn't fit.  Bugger!  How did I not see this before?  Maybe because I was stacking Gen2 MIDI with Gen3 Systainer3 L.

I'm thinking some sort of "adapter plates" need to be made.  Still not ideal.

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2021, 10:21 AM »
There is an opportunity to move away from systainers in a big way. There is a surplus company (SG initials) that is selling US military surplus shoulder fired missile cases. They come with an interesting foam cutout that could be modified or removed. The outside dimensions are 85 in x 36 in x 21 in. You could pack a large number of tools into just one of these bad boys. They only cost about $450 plus shipping so the volume to dollar ratio is better than a systainer. With the foam insert each one weighs 159 lbs, so that is a bit of a downside. If you want to make a big impression at the job site, you should act quickly. They are likely to sell out soon.

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2021, 10:29 AM »
There is an opportunity to move away from systainers in a big way. There is a surplus company (SG initials) that is selling US military surplus shoulder fired missile cases. They come with an interesting foam cutout that could be modified or removed. The outside dimensions are 85 in x 36 in x 21 in. You could pack a large number of tools into just one of these bad boys. They only cost about $450 plus shipping so the volume to dollar ratio is better than a systainer. With the foam insert each one weighs 159 lbs, so that is a bit of a downside. If you want to make a big impression at the job site, you should act quickly. They are likely to sell out soon.

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Offline Coen

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Re: Gen 3 systainers3: Compatibility Lost with Gen 2 Midi Systainers
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2021, 10:59 AM »
There is an opportunity to move away from systainers in a big way. There is a surplus company (SG initials) that is selling US military surplus shoulder fired missile cases. They come with an interesting foam cutout that could be modified or removed. The outside dimensions are 85 in x 36 in x 21 in. You could pack a large number of tools into just one of these bad boys. They only cost about $450 plus shipping so the volume to dollar ratio is better than a systainer. With the foam insert each one weighs 159 lbs, so that is a bit of a downside. If you want to make a big impression at the job site, you should act quickly. They are likely to sell out soon.

Yeah at 72 kg that is a bit.... too heavy.