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Offline Coen

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2021, 10:26 PM »
interesting on makita having a sys-cart.  Will have to keep it in mind but looks like might be hard to find in the US, also looks a lot more expensive than the Tanos/Festool ones.  I would guess it will suffer the same fate as the Tanos/Festool cart and be no more.

No it wont as Makita has no Midi "systainers" and not even anything T-Loc except for the Toolboxes. For Festool this trolley change meant breaking compatibility on something they didn't sell for ~10 years. If Makita was to disappear their trolley now in favor of the trolley Festool currently sells, they would break compatibility with boxes they still currently sell. The Makita one seems to be an exact clone of the Tanos one btw. See Makita P-83886 and Tanos 80600421

It's one of those things that is a way over priced item in the first place, but I bought them, changing the size of them is just insane thing to do to those who were willing to give them 90 bucks for a hunk of plastic and 4 castors.

Like anything else, if you are going to bring out a new version that doesn't directly replace the old, don't get rid of the old. Like anything else, new versions of things are fine, changes are fine, just don't go breaking things.

I have two of the even older version... with the four rubber loops. Meh. But if I were to update... I definitely don't have space for more rolley protrusion..

Like anything else, if you are going to bring out a new version that doesn't directly replace the old, don't get rid of the old. Like anything else, new versions of things are fine, changes are fine, just don't go breaking things.

I kinda suspect they want everyone over to the "new" system...
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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2021, 10:43 PM »
I know it's the same as the Tanos, that's why my concern would be it goes away, if Tanos just stops making them.  That's part of the greater unknown in all of this, is how Tanos supports all the non-festool customers/partners they make stuff for. Assuming they continue to support them as they have been, then it circles back to why not just keep offering the old sys-cart for those who want them. If they tell all the customers/partners they need to convert, well then they will probably unleash a storm that will not be pretty.

Offline mino

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2021, 11:20 AM »
I kinda suspect they want everyone over to the "new" system...
Wanting and "having" are two different things.

The same as I view the Bott-ised/Van-ised SYS3 a complement-but-not-a-substitute-of T-Loc the new Cart is a complement to the old one on the functionality side.

E.g. did you know that the old card is made such that the catches are a designed-in weak point ? If they are over-stressed, they simply will break-off. Not damaging the cart nor the systainer. I had this happened while using the base on a bike trailer.

The new one firstly does not the stability-strength in old one:
 - the height is lower, reducing the twist strength, the new cart relied on the connected systainer to help it there.
 - the single-point-connection via a T-Loc is much weaker than the two-point ones in a "pull" scenario
 - the cart itself is much wider, making it less suitable for shop use

In general, the nwe SYS-RB is excellent and 100% optimised for Bott vehicle system used and is usable also for causual user.

The old CART is a much more universal beast where e.g. floor-mounting in a vehicle, wall-mounting, ore even plan "having your systainers on carts in a shop" are valid scenarios considered and optimised for in the design.

Not so with the SYS-RB which is mostly a one-trick pony.

That said, Festool having their as-little-SKUs-as-possible philosophy, I am sure the SYS-CART will shortly not be available in the Festool livery.


But TANOS is still selling the Classic Systainers mainly to their industrial customers which require a long support tail. Until that changes, I do not see the SYS-CART going anywhere as a design/product.
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Offline Rumblefish

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 01:50 PM »
I Stick with the T Locs.

The sys3 tb Toolboxes in M and L are nice though. Also the transparent top Organizers.

One big step I‘d like Festool/ Tanos to make is direct Accessibility in the Stack.

a) bigger drawer options fit SYS Sort
b) drawer or door system for systainers

That would give this system excellent usability in Basic Stack Mode without demounting or needing the exclsive rack system.

I don‘t know of any toolbox system that delivers flexibility like systainers. I hate Lboxxes. They are horrible to use for me.

Auer packaging came up with an interresting approach for a challenging Price point. Bit still in the beginning with a Bit to optimize
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Offline Coen

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #34 on: Today at 08:45 AM »
Huh, with T-Loc you can already access in the stack. Although it's a bit tricky if the stack is long and heavy...

Offline Imemiter

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #35 on: Today at 01:29 PM »
I hate Lboxxes. They are horrible to use for me.

It's hard for me to believe how irritating L-Boxxes became once I started using T-locs. I had a pretty good start on them too. They also blew it by updating the boxxes without a mind to how the new cases would work with their older cases, tool inserts, and the cart. That disconnect is what drove the stake in their heart for me. It also gives me pause about Festool's Sys^3 stuff. 
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Offline Coen

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #36 on: Today at 02:48 PM »
In general the L-boxes have a 33% larger footprint that is wasted on an inefficient inlay  [tongue]

But they do fit the ~500mm long drills in their diagonal, a Systainer doesn't.

I've thought about moving my Bosch GBH 2-28 to a Systainer, but that would then be the sole Midi Systainer.

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Re: Do we need a Sys Generation 4?
« Reply #37 on: Today at 03:47 PM »
In general the L-boxes have a 33% larger footprint that is wasted on an inefficient inlay  [tongue]

But they do fit the ~500mm long drills in their diagonal, a Systainer doesn't.

I've thought about moving my Bosch GBH 2-28 to a Systainer, but that would then be the sole Midi Systainer.

Yeah, even before systainer 3 came out, I had looked at the midi's for 1 tool (saw zaw), maybe 1 other too. I liked the idea of having that verses having to go tall normal systainer to fit it.  But to just have a couple goofball sized ones defeats it all. If they had maxi systainers in t-lok, and in all the shorter heights back then, it would have been a nice option for saw zaws, caulk guns, big drills.  Would at least work with storage well.