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Offline Gregor

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2019, 08:20 AM »
To put
I dont understand what the fears are of Amazon listening all the time.
At the most they will sell you more stuff you dont need.
into perspective, these two sentences are logically equivalent with

I don't understand how it works and I don't care about someone being able to make me act against my own interests.

Does someone here really believe any someone, when already able to make you buy stuff you don't need, would stop there?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 10:04 AM by Gregor »

Offline vkumar

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2019, 01:12 PM »
Just for the record Amazon is not in the business of selling page views to anyone unlike Google or facebook or most other free to view websites.
You have your opinion and I have mine, no need to be condescending.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2019, 01:39 PM »
Amazon, started with books, now sells almost everything. I would not be suprised if the next things you find are a rocket to Mars, a battlecruiser, and your life story.

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2019, 01:43 PM »
I did an experiment with Alexa's listening behavior and the consequence.  For about a week I would say something like "I need a new drill" or "I wish I knew where to buy a drill" also "I wonder what a drill costs" a couple of times a day in front of Alexa when it was just in listening mode.  I expected to see ads for drills when I logged on to Amazon or at least an email mentioning a great deal on a drill.  Nothing happened.

Just an anecdote, but I found it interesting.


Offline mwolczko

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2019, 02:55 PM »
I’m hoping that after learning to listen to my planer and table saw Alexa will know when the blade gets dull and tell me to order a new one.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2019, 03:57 PM »
Just for the record Amazon is not in the business of selling page views to anyone unlike Google or facebook or most other free to view websites.
Amazon (as google and basically everyone else in capitalism) is in the business of parting your from your money, employing whatever means the most effective from a cost/gain consideration as long as these just dosn't cross the line where the owners and/or top-level execs would no longer be able to weasel out of being lined up against a wall for their crimes against humanity. And the current hot thing is big data combined with 'AI' which allows to profile humans in a way that makes their reactions deterministic enough on a statistical scale that the results can be used to selectively influence on an individual basis in a highly predictable way.

We're being subjected to robots that are constantly watching our behaviour, with the goal to figure out how to push what of our buttons to make us behave as intended. And for that technology it's irrelevant if the goal is to push toward buying more (or higher markup) items, to vote for the ones that give the better tax breaks for the peer group of the robot owners (= the super-rich) or to support killing some another several hundred of thousands of humans (aka. the next 'peace'-intervention of $yourcountry).

The problem with that technology is that it works and it works better the more data it was able to digest, the more interactions it was able to observe, the more A/B test it is allowed to run.
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You have your opinion and I have mine, no need to be condescending.
Sorry, intention wasn't to belittle you - I just see the need to point out the implication of what you said in words clear enough to make the problem visible, in the hope that more people realize that not knowing how that stuff works while hoping for the best isn't a good plan to end up in a future that's fun to be in. You shouldn't allow this technology in your life, in case your actually care for it, as this technology isn't made to serve you (but others who perceive you as a resource to be exploited) and is openly aiming at destroying (or at least subverting, as much as possible) your free will*.

YMMV.


*) whatever free will may actually be and regardless of it actually existing - but even in case we as humans would be fully deterministric in regard of our reactions to external stimuli we likely still wouldn't like the idea of someone knowing how to remote-control us.
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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Alexa, bring me a Festool...
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2019, 11:58 PM »
I’m hoping that after learning to listen to my planer and table saw Alexa will know when the blade gets dull and tell me to order a new one.


Why not just get Alexa to install them for you as well?  I don't think I ever installed a set of blades as precisely as the factory - it would have been nice to have expert installation along with shiny new edges.  I'm waiting for the day when it will put a wet-sanded oil finish on my projects for me.  I just can't get my wife to do that - I've tried.


I tried changing the wake-up keyword from "Alexa" to "Computer" so I could sound like Star Trek, but I quickly realized that "computer" is a word we use much too frequently for that to work.