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Offline six-point socket II

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WAGO Electrical connectors
« on: February 02, 2019, 07:25 AM »
Hi!

Mini-L-Boxx from/by Wago.

Series 221 (100x 221-412), (110x 221-413) and (25x 221-415) + 4 adaptor plates/mounting plates/carriers to use the series 221splicing connectors inside distribution panels













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« Last Edit: February 02, 2019, 07:45 AM by six-point socket II »
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Re: WAGO Two
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2019, 07:24 AM »
Thanks for posting Oliver. I wasn't aware Wago made DIN rail holders for the connectors.
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WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 01:17 PM »
I found out these were just released in January. Wago 221 Series splice connectors for electrical wiring. The 221-2411 is for 18-14 ga wires while the 221-2401 is for 18-12 ga wires. Unfortunately they are not yet available in the US. A box of 60 can be purchased in Germany for $28 but the freight is an additional $130.  [eek]






In-line splicing of multiple lines.




Also, ran across the Wago Gel Box for potting electrical connections in damp/wet areas. These can actually be used submerged in liquid. They are a one-use item and if opened up a new Gel box needs to be installed. The gel is non-silicone based and the item can be used immediately without waiting for the potting material to harden or cure.






« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 01:47 PM by Cheese »

Offline rvieceli

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 01:44 PM »
@Cheese don't know if you have seen these but they work great for splicing bigger gauge wires. Available for several wire sizes and configurations. I used some when I added a receptacle to my rotary phase converter to splice some #6 and #8 wire.

Come already insulated and connections filled with anti-oxidizing gel, wires held by set screws.



Morris Products

Clear

https://www.morrisproducts.com/pc_combined_results.asp?search_cat=searchexact~pcpcm.parent_pc_id~2786438C78864D74B75B75BD0D2C7CB5&pc_id=2786438C78864D74B75B75BD0D2C7CB5

Black

https://www.morrisproducts.com/pc_combined_results.asp?search_cat=searchexact~pcpcm.parent_pc_id~04581668916D40B2A3F849BF22B53748&pc_id=04581668916D40B2A3F849BF22B53748

Zoro carries a good selection.

https://www.zoro.com/search?fqv%3Abrand=MORRIS%20PRODUCTS&q=morris%20connector

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 04:07 PM »
Cheese, revrobotics.com offers WAGO 221-2401 Inline Splicing Connector - 12 AWG - 50 Pack for $35.00.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 04:08 PM »
@Cheese don't know if you have seen these but they work great for splicing bigger gauge wires. Available for several wire sizes and configurations. I used some when I added a receptacle to my rotary phase converter to splice some #6 and #8 wire.

Come already insulated and connections filled with anti-oxidizing gel, wires held by set screws.


Thanks for that Ron...those are new to me. I saved a couple of photos of those for future reference.  [smile]

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 04:16 PM »
Cheese, revrobotics.com offers WAGO 221-2401 Inline Splicing Connector - 12 AWG - 50 Pack for $35.00.

Thanks a ton for that link rst... [smile]...I'll order some today.

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2022, 08:12 AM »
Cheese, revrobotics.com offers WAGO 221-2401 Inline Splicing Connector - 12 AWG - 50 Pack for $35.00.

Thanks a ton for that link rst... [smile]...I'll order some today.

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

@Cheese

I've avoided using the WAGO's until now, probably due to my lack of research. What are the most common models to stock for typical house wiring jobs? 12-14AWG for outlet installs, lighting, areas you'd typically deal with joining the wires with nuts and shoving into the junction box. Always my least favorite thing to do and open to seeing what's available.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2022, 10:25 AM »
What are the most common models to stock for typical house wiring jobs? 12-14AWG for outlet installs, lighting, areas you'd typically deal with joining the wires with nuts and shoving into the junction box.

Matt, by far the most used are the 3 wire, then 2 wire & finally 5 wire. I purchase the 2&3 wire in 30 each boxes while the 5 wire I purchase in a plastic carded package of 10 each.

These 221 series connectors will work with 24-12 AWG wires either stranded or solid. They're really pleasant to use when you need to switch out an outlet or switch. Any time I have to go in and do something in an electrical box, I remove the original wire nuts and use these Wago 221 connectors instead.

They also provide a more positive contact when bundling 4 or more wires. When using wire nuts, sometimes one of the wires in the bundle doesn't get tightened enough and you'll get intermittent contact which can be tough to track down.

Here's a flyer you can read and download if you desire.
https://www.wago.com/us/d/Info_60368102

Here's a photo from L to R... 2 wire, 3 wire & 5 wire. I expect that eventually those 6 wire nut containers will be replaced with a single container.  [smile]

« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 10:27 AM by Cheese »

Offline Cheese

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2022, 10:41 AM »
This is a big thanks 🙏 to @rst for his information on Rev Robotics. I placed an order for Wago 221 splice connectors late Thursday afternoon, 20 minutes later I received a notice that the connectors had already shipped and on Monday they arrived via standard USPS.
My recent experiences with other vendors is that it takes 2-3 days just for them to pull the inventory, and then the product languishes in shipping for another couple of days. These folks are great and their shipping prices are reasonable.

https://www.revrobotics.com

These splice connectors are rated for 18-12 ga wire but I tried them on some 22 awg stranded wire and they also worked well. I'd guess they'd probably work on 24 awg also because they really clamp down on the wires. Good for both large & small wiring projects.




Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2022, 11:37 AM »
The Wago 221-2411 works on smaller wires  [wink]
But with 110V... you get 6mm² wire for things we solve with 3-fase and 2.5mm²  [tongue]

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2022, 05:34 PM »
Holy petunias, I spent most of today wishing I had these connectors handy. ~11-ish years after building the house and it seems we've reached the bosses tipping point to start updating everything. 3 ceiling fans replaced and more to follow, it would have been so much simpler mating up solid 12 and stranded 20 with these.

My own fault, as Jersey oddly allows you to GC your own home construction, right down to the electrical. Everything is inspected of course but amateurs do goofy stuff. Following grandpa's rule (if one nail is good, 3 must be better) I figured 12 gauge must be better than 14, no lights dimming when the refer started up. And switch legs to every bank of 4-6 can lights, with our bedroom having 4 switches in one box. Had to untangle 5 12ga conductors wire nutted together to rearrange some switches. My hands ache.

Anyway, I'm ordering an assortment before inspiration strikes the boss again.

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Offline Bob D.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2022, 07:10 PM »
You won't be sorry Richard, they work very well.
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2022, 07:39 PM »
You won't be sorry Richard, they work very well.

No doubt. $80 got me 25 each of the 2/3/5 and 60 singles. Hopefully enough to last me to the retirement home.

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Offline demographic

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2022, 02:48 AM »
This thread came at the right time, I've spotted a few of these connectors on the floor at work and was wondering what the score is with them.
I had a look at one the other day and it seems to be a quick and easy connector to use.

It had two connectors with spung levers pointing out the same direction and another hole at the other end just maybe big enough to fit a test probe into.

Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2022, 08:37 AM »
@richard/BMW Singles??

Offline Cheese

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2022, 09:43 AM »
It had two connectors with spung levers pointing out the same direction and another hole at the other end just maybe big enough to fit a test probe into.

That's another nice feature on the new 221 style Wago connectors, they all have an entrance for a test probe.

And here's a thread about earlier style Wago connectors. They also incorporated probe openings.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/home-improvement-other-projects/wago-wire-connector-nuts-63686/30/

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2022, 10:47 AM »
@richard/BMW Singles??

The inline splice Matt mentioned in the other thread.

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

RMW
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2022, 11:52 AM »

The I line splice Matt mentioned in the other thread.

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

RMW

This has been an interesting storyline as I started to chase down the availability of the 221-2401 in-line splice connector when it was first released in November/December. At that point the in-line connector was rated for use with both stranded & solid wire from 18-12 gauge. I now see it's been re-rated for 20-12 gauge.

However, the 221-412/413/415 connectors (2 wire, 3 wire, 5 wire) are all rated for 24-12 gauge wire. So, maybe the in-line splice connector will follow that example after some further testing.

A simple work-around if you need to use the in-line splice connector with 24 gauge stranded wire is to simply tin the wire ends.

Here are the probe points for the in-line connector and the other 2/3/5 wire connectors.






Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2022, 02:11 PM »
Everything becomes easier if you use metric. A bigger cross section... a bigger number, as nature intended  [tongue]

These Wago's 221 come in a 4mm² and a 6mm² version. I stock the whole series in 4mm², also the 2273 series, those are even way more compact but only up to 2.5mm² and only solid. Also no handles. But they do come in 8-way version.

@richard/BMW Singles??

The I line splice Matt mentioned in the other thread.

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

RMW

Ah yes. I thought I was missing out on real singles... like to cap wires when painting etc.

Offline dwillis

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2022, 07:02 PM »
FWIW I recently built my house in SW Washington and exclusively used WAGO connectors instead of wire nuts or the newer push-type connectors. I wasn't aware of the inline WAGO connectors described in this thread, but I'm going to order some to have them on hand. As you may have guessed, I'm a big fan of WAGO and it made my wiring job easier and neater, plus revisions were quick.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2022, 07:59 PM »
@Cheese - First, thank you and the others here who introduced me to these connectors. I am re-wiring my fluorescent light fixtures in my shop to accommodate LED bypass bulbs. In doing so I ordered an assortment of the Wago connectors but it took a few days longer to get them and I needed to do one (first of six) fixture. While at Home Depot a few days ago I bought a small supply of the Ideal connectors that they carry. Now that I have received the Wagos I think that the difference is clear but I wanted to check. The Wago appears to be a bit better built but the main difference appears to be that the Wago has the little levers that allow you to release the wire once engaged thus making them reusable and very easy to correct mistakes. Am I missing anything?

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2022, 08:56 PM »
"Am I missing anything?"

One big advantage I appreciate is they make it easier to join stranded to
solid wire, especially the smaller gauge stranded wire on new light fixtures.
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2022, 09:36 PM »
@Cheese - First, thank you and the others here who introduced me to these connectors. I am re-wiring my fluorescent light fixtures in my shop to accommodate LED bypass bulbs. In doing so I ordered an assortment of the Wago connectors but it took a few days longer to get them and I needed to do one (first of six) fixture. While at Home Depot a few days ago I bought a small supply of the Ideal connectors that they carry. Now that I have received the Wagos I think that the difference is clear but I wanted to check. The Wago appears to be a bit better built but the main difference appears to be that the Wago has the little levers that allow you to release the wire once engaged thus making them reusable and very easy to correct mistakes. Am I missing anything?

No Alan you got it right  [big grin]...a brief history, Wago released their original "Push Wire" connector first but it was limited to 18-12 gauge wire, Ideal then followed up with their version which would accept 24 gauge wire, consequently for my needs, I had to purchase both. Both were "stab-in" designs but removing wires from both of the connectors was a real PITA.
Photos of original Wago first then the Ideal.





Wago then released about 5 years ago their 222-413 Lever Nut design which was a significant improvement because of the simple re-use/reconfiguration issue...it however was girth wise, an over achiever.



About 2 years ago Wago redesigned the 222-413 Lever Nut into a much smaller package and renamed it the 221-413. It's very nice, definitely my go-to connector.


Offline Alanbach

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2022, 10:50 PM »
@Cheese - Thank you, as always, for that great explanation. I also ordered the Wago splices from REV Robotics so thanks to you and @rst !

BTW, if any of you have fluorescent tubes in your shop that are getting older consider LED bypass bulbs as an upgrade. I might have to wear my shades in the shop until I get used to this!

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2022, 10:58 PM »
@Cheese - Thank you, as always, for that great explanation. I also ordered the Wago splices from REV Robotics so thanks to you and @rst !

BTW, if any of you have fluorescent tubes in your shop that are getting older consider LED bypass bulbs as an upgrade. I might have to wear my shades in the shop until I get used to this!

Alan, I agree, I've replaced all of the fluorescent tubes in the shop with Barrina LED's ...simply incredible.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2022, 11:14 PM »
@Cheese - I put in the original 8’ fixtures in 2008 when we bought this house. The first bulb just went out so here we are. These are pretty much the last of my LED conversions in this house. Now I’m just waiting for the last few bulbs / ballasts to die. When you did yours did you do bypass or ballast compatible. I’m pretty sure I already know the answer.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2022, 11:37 PM »
@Cheese - I put in the original 8’ fixtures in 2008 when we bought this house. The first bulb just went out so here we are. These are pretty much the last of my LED conversions in this house. Now I’m just waiting for the last few bulbs / ballasts to die. When you did yours did you do bypass or ballast compatible. I’m pretty sure I already know the answer.

Alan, I originally installed 8 foot fluorescent lighting throughout the entire shop and obviously I had a kin-man-ship to this method of illumination, however, once I read the information on Barrina LED's I decided that maybe that LED was a change for the good.

I tried ballast replacements and 15 other goofy solutions. Unfortunately some worked while others did not, ultimately I pulled all of the fluorescents from the shop and gifted them to a neighbor for his garage.

I've found the Barrina LED's are sensitive to voltage spikes and that can become an annoyance. They do not like auto-on/auto-off switching.

Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2022, 01:37 AM »
The push in type isn't compatible with stranded wire. The lever type is.
I rarely use the 221 unless stranded wire is involved. I like the size of the 2273 a lot better plus it comes in an 8-way version.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2022, 07:32 AM »

I've found the Barrina LED's are sensitive to voltage spikes and that can become an annoyance. They do not like auto-on/auto-off switching.

@Cheese i haven’t noticed that with my Barrinas. What do they do?

My Flex vac however is very sensitive and will occasionally start up and run for a couple of seconds then shut off when something is turned on or off.

Ron

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2022, 09:12 AM »
Holy petunias, I spent most of today wishing I had these connectors handy. ~11-ish years after building the house and it seems we've reached the bosses tipping point to start updating everything. 3 ceiling fans replaced and more to follow, it would have been so much simpler mating up solid 12 and stranded 20 with these.

My own fault, as Jersey oddly allows you to GC your own home construction, right down to the electrical. Everything is inspected of course but amateurs do goofy stuff. Following grandpa's rule (if one nail is good, 3 must be better) I figured 12 gauge must be better than 14, no lights dimming when the refer started up. And switch legs to every bank of 4-6 can lights, with our bedroom having 4 switches in one box. Had to untangle 5 12ga conductors wire nutted together to rearrange some switches. My hands ache.

Anyway, I'm ordering an assortment before inspiration strikes the boss again.

RMW

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2022, 10:45 AM »

I've found the Barrina LED's are sensitive to voltage spikes and that can become an annoyance. They do not like auto-on/auto-off switching.

@Cheese i haven’t noticed that with my Barrinas. What do they do?

My Flex vac however is very sensitive and will occasionally start up and run for a couple of seconds then shut off when something is turned on or off.


Ron @rvieceli it started when I removed the fluorescent lighting and simply replaced the fixtures with Barrina LED's. I continued to use the existing Leviton photoelectric switches, models 6791 & 6793. Within a couple of months multiple Barrina units were dying as in flickering, being dimmer than they originally were or not working at all. I traced it down to the Leviton units I was using were NOT rated for LED use even though they appeared to work with the LED's.

I replaced the Leviton units with Legrand RW600U occupancy sensors which ARE rated for LED usage and only got about 12-14 months before the LED's started to die again.

I then replaced the Legrand sensors with Lutron MS VPS2 sensors and they've been working for about 2 years now.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2022, 10:51 AM »
Oh OK. I’m just old school, mine are just on a straight switch. None of that high tech new fangled stuff for me.  [big grin]

Ron

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2022, 01:36 AM »
a brief history, Wago released their original "Push Wire" connector first but it was limited to 18-12 gauge wire, Both were "stab-in" designs but removing wires from both of the connectors was a real PITA. Photos of original Wago first

(Attachment Link)

Glad you posted this.  I have been using the original Wago push in connectors for 15+ years now.  Along with wire nuts which I started on long ago.  I always chuckle a little when everyone posts about how miraculous and magical and mystical the new amazing Wago snap down reusable connectors are.  The current ones.  I've somehow managed just fine for decades using my old time push in Wago connectors.  And I would not call it a PITA to get the original push in Wagos disconnected.  It takes a little pulling, but you can get the wire out and reuse the connectors just fine.  Being cheap I do not throw old connectors away.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2022, 11:44 AM »
I always chuckle a little when everyone posts about how miraculous and magical and mystical the new amazing Wago snap down reusable connectors are.  The current ones.  I've somehow managed just fine for decades using my old time push in Wago connectors.  And I would not call it a PITA to get the original push in Wagos disconnected.  It takes a little pulling, but you can get the wire out and reuse the connectors just fine.  Being cheap I do not throw old connectors away.

You're correct with everything you say as long as you're using solid copper wire. I've done a lot of outside wiring for garden luminaires using standard outdoor rated stranded copper wire. I always tin the ends for connectivity reasons because if the ends are just twisted together with a wire nut, the wire ends will oxidize and you'll get bad connections at some later date. The tinned ends also allow me to use the Wago "stab-in" style connector.

The outdoor rated stranded wires and the Wago connectors work well together, some are 12-13 years old. The issue is when you try to remove the stranded wires from the Wago connectors the tinned end is fine but the individual strands that are not tinned break and separate. The new Wago 221 style works well for outside and I still prefer them for use on interior wiring because they're so simple to use. 

Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2022, 03:45 PM »
The push in type is NOT for stranded! Regardless of tinning...

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2022, 11:45 AM »
I’m a big fan of WAGO’s.

Do they make the water resistant connectors that you’d use on an irrigation system?  I have the gel filled wire nuts, but they are a mess and difficult to diagnose solenoids and such for repairs.  Mine are all in underground plastic service boxes and will fill with water on heavy rains, so the gel insulation is important.



Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2022, 06:14 PM »
I’m a big fan of WAGO’s.

Do they make the water resistant connectors that you’d use on an irrigation system?  I have the gel filled wire nuts, but they are a mess and difficult to diagnose solenoids and such for repairs.  Mine are all in underground plastic service boxes and will fill with water on heavy rains, so the gel insulation is important.

See WAGO gelbox. But for underground use I would just fill the junction box with resin and be done with it.

Offline vkumar

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2022, 11:15 PM »
You won't be sorry Richard, they work very well.

No doubt. $80 got me 25 each of the 2/3/5 and 60 singles. Hopefully enough to last me to the retirement home.

RMW

Source and links please. I would like to get some too.
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2022, 07:36 AM »
I get mine from Newark electronics;

https://www.newark.com/wago/221-412-ve00-2500/terminal-block-pluggable-2pos/dp/71Y8326

Link is for the 2 conductor ones, but they have all the varieties.

Coincidentally, one of my weekend projects was changing out a ceiling fan. The Wagos were great, I pre-installed them on the fan's wiring with the lever for the house wiring flipped up. Then once on the ladder, it was just a matter of sticking the supply wires in and locking them.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2022, 08:02 AM »
You won't be sorry Richard, they work very well.

No doubt. $80 got me 25 each of the 2/3/5 and 60 singles. Hopefully enough to last me to the retirement home.

RMW

Source and links please. I would like to get some too.

Got an assortment from Amazon then filled in with single connectors from REV Robotics.

https://www.amazon.com/WAGO-Lever-Nuts-75pc-Connector-Assortment/dp/B018MGMFDI

https://www.revrobotics.com/rev-15-2491/

I also wired up a couple ceiling fans using them which required the least swearing ever for that particular job.

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Offline live4ever

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2022, 10:48 AM »
Been using these for a few years now and I can't say enough good things about them.  Currently in the middle of two whole house rewires (one live-in) and these are an absolute godsend, especially when needing to make temporary connections to keep some circuits powered as they get replaced.

And so easy to swap out light switches, receptacles, etc. in the future since you don't have to snip off twisted wires/nuts and lose length in the box.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2022, 11:52 AM »
Excellent. Thanks @Richard/RMW and @pixelated . Ceiling fan is just the project I was thinking of.
Vijay Kumar

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2022, 12:07 PM »
I’m a big fan of WAGO’s.

Do they make the water resistant connectors that you’d use on an irrigation system?  I have the gel filled wire nuts, but they are a mess and difficult to diagnose solenoids and such for repairs.  Mine are all in underground plastic service boxes and will fill with water on heavy rains, so the gel insulation is important.

For voltages of 50 VAC or less Wago recommends using the Gelbox by itself. For voltages greater than 50 VAC, Wago recommends using the Gelbox inside a dry junction box. The Gelbox itself is IPX8 rated.

The nice thing is that the Gelbox media is reusable as compared to the typical silicone media which is messy.

Here's what the stuff looks like when you reuse it, a before & after photo.








« Last Edit: July 25, 2022, 12:11 PM by Cheese »

Offline live4ever

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2022, 03:44 PM »
I’m a big fan of WAGO’s.

Do they make the water resistant connectors that you’d use on an irrigation system?  I have the gel filled wire nuts, but they are a mess and difficult to diagnose solenoids and such for repairs.  Mine are all in underground plastic service boxes and will fill with water on heavy rains, so the gel insulation is important.

For voltages of 50 VAC or less Wago recommends using the Gelbox by itself. For voltages greater than 50 VAC, Wago recommends using the Gelbox inside a dry junction box. The Gelbox itself is IPX8 rated.

The nice thing is that the Gelbox media is reusable as compared to the typical silicone media which is messy.

Here's what the stuff looks like when you reuse it, a before & after photo.

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So you can just repack the gel after peeling it off?  Got a good US source for the gelboxes?
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Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2022, 08:44 PM »

The nice thing is that the Gelbox media is reusable as compared to the typical silicone media which is messy.


I don't think they claim that. "Wiederzüganglichkeit" just means you can access them again, contrary to resin filled junction boxes where you have to cut the entire cable and replace all the connections if you want any expansion or change.

Wiederzüganglichkeit translates more or less to 're-accessible'.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2022, 09:39 PM »

The nice thing is that the Gelbox media is reusable as compared to the typical silicone media which is messy.

The Wago Gelbox is not reusable, just the connectors you put inside it.  Once the Gelbox is closed and the gell oozes around the connectors and wires, it cannot be opened again without breaking the IPX8 seal.

Depending on the size, the Gelbox is available in packs of three or four for about €20.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2022, 11:56 PM »
Thanks for that clarification from both @Coen  and @MikeGE ...the verbiage from Wago is rather obtuse.  [tongue]

Here's the official Wago answer whatever this means.

"The gel is silicone-free. This allows the Gelbox to be used in any branch of industry – even those where varnishes, paints and other sensitive products are used, such as the automotive industry. Secondly, the silicone-free gel has already reacted, so it is fully label-free and can be stored indefinitely. This cannot be said of all components used to manufacture potting compounds. In addition, the silicone-free gel potting compound uniquely allows a user to re-access the connection" – the keyword here: re-accessibility.

It would have been a lot more succinct answer if they had stipulated that the access to the connection is a one-time only occurrence and that a new Gelbox would need to be utilized to provide protection once the Gelbox is opened...sheesh...why do these people feel the need to obfuscate?  It's a better mouse trap, let's just move forward.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2022, 06:05 AM »
It would have been a lot more succinct answer if they had stipulated that the access to the connection is a one-time only occurrence and that a new Gelbox would need to be utilized to provide protection once the Gelbox is opened...sheesh...why do these people feel the need to obfuscate?  It's a better mouse trap, let's just move forward.

You can attribute the confusion on the cultural differences and approximation of translation between German and English.  Some German words or phrases are difficult to directly translate...you just have to know what the meaning is.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2022, 12:59 PM »
can the wag splice kit be used without a box? Tyco made a splice kit for romex that is similar to the single wago on the plate.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2022, 01:28 PM »
can the wag splice kit be used without a box? Tyco made a splice kit for romex that is similar to the single wago on the plate.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tyco-Electronics-Romex-Splice-Kit-2-Wire-1-Clam-A22899-000/202204326

Yes, when used for that application the Wago Inline connectors would be fastened to a carrier.



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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2022, 03:10 PM »
@rst - many thanks for the REV Robotics link! I hope they are selling carriers for those splice connectors too.

Most old school US electricians frown upon Wago connectors. They prefer wire nuts. One argument I heard is that Wagos get hot under load because they have a conductor bus and numerous heating/cooling cycles can work the electrical connection loose.
Sounds like an extreme edge case to me.

Any electricians on this forum who can confirm or debunk that?

Are wire nuts used in Europe as well?

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2022, 04:02 PM »
@rst - many thanks for the REV Robotics link! I hope they are selling carriers for those splice connectors too.

Most old school US electricians frown upon Wago connectors. They prefer wire nuts. One argument I heard is that Wagos get hot under load because they have a conductor bus and numerous heating/cooling cycles can work the electrical connection loose.
Sounds like an extreme edge case to me.

Any electricians on this forum who can confirm or debunk that?

Are wire nuts used in Europe as well?

I think the "old school" says it all.  I had five U.S. Master Electricians on my staff who ranged in age from 30 to 65.  They love the Wago connectors.

I can't speak for all of Europe, but wire nuts are not allowed in Germany for any electrical work.  I don't think I ever saw them in Italy, Belgium, France, or The Netherlands, and I spent a lot of time working on electrical distribution systems in those countries.

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2022, 04:32 PM »
Most old school US electricians frown upon Wago connectors. They prefer wire nuts. One argument I heard is that Wagos get hot under load because they have a conductor bus and numerous heating/cooling cycles can work the electrical connection loose.
Sounds like an extreme edge case to me.

Any electricians on this forum who can confirm or debunk that?

99% of faults with Wago's is blatant user error. Usually damaged bent wire stripped too short. These same old school guys use manual stripping pliers and even though they won't admit it, they (the user) are not stripping to correct length.

Are wire nuts used in Europe as well?

Yes. I cut them out of existing installations I have to work on and re-use them to close the tip of the caulk tube.

I can't speak for all of Europe, but wire nuts are not allowed in Germany for any electrical work.  I don't think I ever saw them in Italy, Belgium, France, or The Netherlands, and I spent a lot of time working on electrical distribution systems in those countries.

Most installations pre ~1980 will have them, even in NL. They are also still sold new and used, including DIY stores.

It's much easier to f#ck up the installation of a wire nut without it being very visible than to do the same with the installation of a Wago.
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2022, 07:01 PM »
Are wire nuts used in Europe as well?

Yes. I cut them out of existing installations I have to work on and re-use them to close the tip of the caulk tube.

Hmmmm.  I use wire nuts for that too.  Make good caulk gun tube caps after cutting the nozzle.  But you can't cut the nozzle down at the fat end.  Tip has to be narrow to fit the wire nut on top.

I use wire nuts in electrical work.  Yellow and red nuts.  And I use the original Wago connectors too.  The old style push in.  Not the new fancy dandy flip switch ones.  Whatever works.  If I am in an uncomfortable position, then Wago are easiest and quickest to shove in.  If the box is full with wires, then Wago takes up less space.  But if everything is easy and open and lots of room, then wire nuts are good and fine too.  And sometimes its whatever is easiest to find and get to.  I'm in the US.
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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2022, 12:20 PM »
I can't speak for all of Europe, but wire nuts are not allowed in Germany for any electrical work.  I don't think I ever saw them in Italy, Belgium, France, or The Netherlands, and I spent a lot of time working on electrical distribution systems in those countries.

That actually sets my mind at ease. It sounds very similar to how US plumbers were bashing PEX 15 years ago as a material far inferior to copper. My city still prohibits pex for residential water supply piping. Very annoying.

If wire nuts are not allowed in Germany, what was used before Wago connectors became available? Similar push-in system?

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2022, 12:26 PM »
99% of faults with Wago's is blatant user error. Usually damaged bent wire stripped too short. These same old school guys use manual stripping pliers and even though they won't admit it, they (the user) are not stripping to correct length.

Very true!  ;D Every electrician that worked on my house used manual stripping pliers. But they were extremely fast and seemed to strip all wires exactly to the same length. Of course they were using wire nuts where the length of exposed wire doesn't have to be precise.

Yes. I cut them out of existing installations I have to work on and re-use them to close the tip of the caulk tube.
Interesting. Have electricians in NL switched to Wagos or they keep using wire nuts?

Offline MikeGE

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2022, 12:54 PM »
If wire nuts are not allowed in Germany, what was used before Wago connectors became available? Similar push-in system?

Something similar to these terminal strips, which are still used today.  Each feed-through section is electrically isolated from the adjacent terminals.  Depending on the size of the strip and size of the conductors, several conductors can fit in each end for a solid connection.  The sections can be cut away so they are separate, or kept in groups of three for Line, Neutral, and Ground.



Offline Coen

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Re: WAGO Electrical connectors
« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2022, 11:03 PM »
99% of faults with Wago's is blatant user error. Usually damaged bent wire stripped too short. These same old school guys use manual stripping pliers and even though they won't admit it, they (the user) are not stripping to correct length.

Very true!  ;D Every electrician that worked on my house used manual stripping pliers. But they were extremely fast and seemed to strip all wires exactly to the same length. Of course they were using wire nuts where the length of exposed wire doesn't have to be precise.

Yes. I cut them out of existing installations I have to work on and re-use them to close the tip of the caulk tube.
Interesting. Have electricians in NL switched to Wagos or they keep using wire nuts?

New installs is mostly Wago's. The material used often gives an indication of when the work was done. Wire nuts: pre 1980s, gray Wago's '80s upto 2010s, newer is the transparent 2273.

It also seems as if too many were allergic to stocking the 8-way one... it's very common to see two 5-way ones 'bridged'. Or 5+3.

Either way, I recently did some work in an 2006 apartment where from new it was all Wago's, but eveything changed by previous owner was wire nuts. Since all he did was do dumb and illegal changes... finding a wire nut was a good indicator that probably something needed fixing there. Like the 10 boxes he wallpapered over... or the one where he combined two circuits in one box.

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